Sept 26, 1983...the day the world almost ended
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martin_hughes wrote:
I'll simply dare it to drink a glass of water
Colossus: I do not seek to amuse humans...
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Have Colussus answer these questions: 1. What's the difference between a duck? 2. What is the meaning of life? 3. Why does Murphy's Law work? 4. Do you (Colussus) have a soul? 5. Why haven't squirrels evolved enough not to get run over by cars? 6. Is there a numbering system where Pi is finite? What is "unity" in that numbering system?
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.
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Even ignoring the risk of a warhead being a dud, a limited decapitation strike would require hitting targets to far apart for mirvs to reach from a single missle. In the US at an absolute minimum both DC and Cheyenne mountain (norad) would need taken out, probably several other sites would need hit as well. The soviet union was even more geographically dispersed. Ultimately all the AFBs, naval ports, and missle silos would need taken out to keep local commanders from retaliating either on the orders of the remainder of hte chain of command or their own initiative, but a few launches (especially if one EMPed the C3I links) might be able to sneak in as a false alarm where a full out strike wouldn't be able to. The attacker could then hope to get the main strike in while the victim was still disorganized. Ultimately it would still have been a loosing game for the USSR to try and probably for the US as well due to the difficulty of getting all the SSBNs and the ability of even one to inflict massive damage. That does not however mean responding to it wouldn't be in the Burn Before Reading sections of the contingency plans that we'll never be able to see.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
An of course the subsequent cloud of radioactive debris blowing around the world would have no effect on launchers of those missles, right? There's a name for this kind of logic: MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's a no-win situation for everyone, and for the planet.
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.
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martin_hughes wrote:
Two words - Buffer Overrun
Nope, won't work. Colossus is perfect in every way.... The computer center contains over one-hundred thousand remote sensors and communication devices which monitor all electronic transmissions, such as microwave, laser, radio and television communications, data communications from satellites in orbit all over the world. ... Colossus works completely without human aid. We make no secret of where Colossus is located nor do we intend to conceal how it functions. ... Colossus does have its own defense. It is its own defense. In case of an attack on any of its information supply or power lines Colossus will switch on energy circuits, which will then take their appropriate action. It is self-sufficient, self-protecting, self-generating. It is impenetrable. In short there's no way in. No human being can touch it. ... colossus can communicate with us ... and through this machine we can, in turn, communicate with colossus. Now there's one last point. One inevitable question. That we have been asked very frequently before. And that is, is Colossus capable of creative thought. Can it initiate new thought. I can tell you that the answer to that is no. However, Colossus is a paragon of knowledge and its knowledge can be expanded upon indefintely. I hope, along with all the scientsts who held make this particular project, that the immense power of this computer will not only be for the defense of this country but hopefully also a also as an aid to the solution to the many problems that we face on this earth. and the many more problems that we will face the more deeply we penetrate into the universe. Thank you.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
This sounds like something out of a Robert A. Heinlien novel. Maybe there is a movie that can be made of your story.
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Have Colussus answer these questions: 1. What's the difference between a duck? 2. What is the meaning of life? 3. Why does Murphy's Law work? 4. Do you (Colussus) have a soul? 5. Why haven't squirrels evolved enough not to get run over by cars? 6. Is there a numbering system where Pi is finite? What is "unity" in that numbering system?
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.
tsdragon wrote:
Is there a numbering system where Pi is finite? What is "unity" in that numbering system?
Pinary. unity is the ratio between the circumference and diameter of a circle in the euclidean plane.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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An of course the subsequent cloud of radioactive debris blowing around the world would have no effect on launchers of those missles, right? There's a name for this kind of logic: MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). It's a no-win situation for everyone, and for the planet.
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.
The opfor launchers would've been an issue. The launch pattern wasn't launch a few nukes to decapitate permanently, the end. It was launch a few nukes to briefly decapitate/paralyze, launch a massive counterforce strike to destroy the entire opfor inventory. Subs would've been the biggest problem. Back in the 60's the yankee class SSBNs that the USSR had patrolling the Atlantic almost universally had a US SSN covertly tailing them, so at that time we had a chance of being able to pull it off if 60s era guidance was accurate enough to target a silo (I'm not sure it was). The Delta and Typhon class boats that replaced them were armed with much longer ranged missles and stayed much closer to Soviet territory. How effective we were at operating in those areas hasn't been publicly released. The Helen-Keller sonar the soviets had until the 80s left them unable to do the same against our older boats. By that time though the Ohio class SSBNs were operating and they are supposed to be virtually impossible to track in deep water even in exercises when the hunters are clued in about where to look. It never was a good plan, and the number of silos was large enough that duds/misses would've made a 100% strike almost impossible anyway. The last time it would've been possible was the 50's when neither side had storable nukes. The US had a 45day leadtime on a major attack the USSR 60; the delay was to convert the stockpiles of fissionables into functioning bombs.
-- If you view money as inherently evil, I view it as my duty to assist in making you more virtuous.
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:confused: A kid broke into a highly classified DOD computer and set off a war game simulation which, being mistaken for a real attack, brings our defenses to DEFCON 3 in preparation for WWIII, which in turn is stopped by teaching the computer the futility of playing tic-tac-toe?
Gary Kirkham Forever Forgiven and Alive in the Spirit He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose. - Jim Elliot Me blog, You read
I want to buy your movie idea!
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martin_hughes wrote:
I'll simply dare it to drink a glass of water
Colossus: I do not seek to amuse humans...
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Steve Mayfield wrote:
of real events to come
hardly. My computer is far more advanced than WOPR ever was, and holds more information to prevent this scenerio from happening. Due to it's scale and capabability, I have named it "Colossus" and it will prevent WarGames from ever occuring. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
Gahhhhh! My last computer system, a grid system mind you, called SkyNet is much better system. Currently I am working on the M5 a multitronic unit, it will be an unsurpased achievement in computer engineering.
MrPlankton
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This sounds like something out of a Robert A. Heinlien novel. Maybe there is a movie that can be made of your story.
James Lonero wrote:
Maybe there is a movie that can be made of your story.
maybe there already was... google it. :) and maybe there will be again. The remake is in the works. :)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Ah, Mr. Forbin. And how is The Project going?
Software Zen:
delete this;Gary Wheeler wrote:
And how is The Project going?
dagnabbit, it got away from me, locked me in a gilded cage with a beautiful female and limited me to 4 nights with her a week. I mean, come on! 4 nights? Computers... they know nothing of a guys needs.... ;P Torturous I say.... ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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Have Colussus answer these questions: 1. What's the difference between a duck? 2. What is the meaning of life? 3. Why does Murphy's Law work? 4. Do you (Colussus) have a soul? 5. Why haven't squirrels evolved enough not to get run over by cars? 6. Is there a numbering system where Pi is finite? What is "unity" in that numbering system?
Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, For you are crunchy, and good with mustard.
tsdragon wrote:
Have Colussus answer these questions:
someone tried that in the movies... Colossus had them shot. So you want to try the same? :) ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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tsdragon wrote:
Have Colussus answer these questions:
someone tried that in the movies... Colossus had them shot. So you want to try the same? :) ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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martin_hughes wrote:
Two words - Buffer Overrun
Nope, won't work. Colossus is perfect in every way.... The computer center contains over one-hundred thousand remote sensors and communication devices which monitor all electronic transmissions, such as microwave, laser, radio and television communications, data communications from satellites in orbit all over the world. ... Colossus works completely without human aid. We make no secret of where Colossus is located nor do we intend to conceal how it functions. ... Colossus does have its own defense. It is its own defense. In case of an attack on any of its information supply or power lines Colossus will switch on energy circuits, which will then take their appropriate action. It is self-sufficient, self-protecting, self-generating. It is impenetrable. In short there's no way in. No human being can touch it. ... colossus can communicate with us ... and through this machine we can, in turn, communicate with colossus. Now there's one last point. One inevitable question. That we have been asked very frequently before. And that is, is Colossus capable of creative thought. Can it initiate new thought. I can tell you that the answer to that is no. However, Colossus is a paragon of knowledge and its knowledge can be expanded upon indefintely. I hope, along with all the scientsts who held make this particular project, that the immense power of this computer will not only be for the defense of this country but hopefully also a also as an aid to the solution to the many problems that we face on this earth. and the many more problems that we will face the more deeply we penetrate into the universe. Thank you.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)