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  • T TechnoDev

    And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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    Tim Deveaux
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    Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.

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      Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.

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      TechnoDev
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      are u being sarcastic or truthful

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      • T TechnoDev

        are u being sarcastic or truthful

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        JimmyRopes
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        TechnoDev wrote:

        are u being sarcastic or truthful

        :doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh::doh:

        Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
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        • T TechnoDev

          And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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          JimmyRopes
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          TechnoDev wrote:

          And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

          Go back to my office, turn on some music and continue on with what I am being paid to do. :rolleyes: A long time ago I decided that you should never take business personally. Never!

          Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
          Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
          I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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          • T TechnoDev

            And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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            Mircea Grelus
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            TechnoDev wrote:

            what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you.

            Should they? If you believe that they should, and you feel not appreciated to your real value, leave. Follow your interest. The companies are sure following theirs. Find a better company that understands the value of people.

            Cheers, Mircea "Pay people peanuts and you get monkeys" - David Ogilvy

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            • T TechnoDev

              are u being sarcastic or truthful

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              Rama Krishna Vavilala
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              He works for The Code Project:)

              Co-Author ASP.NET AJAX in Action

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              • T TechnoDev

                And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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                Marc Clifton
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                TechnoDev wrote:

                And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

                I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc

                Thyme In The Country
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                • T TechnoDev

                  And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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                  Erik Funkenbusch
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                  Something a lot of people in the trenches don't understand is that not all decisions are technical. Sometimes management makes what appear to be stupid decisions, but they have financial or contractual reasons to make them. In the trenches, we only see the "stupid" decision, and feel like we aren't be listened to. Do you have all the information? Then again, sometimes management really is stupid and is making stupid decisions. It's often hard to tell which is which ;) Other things to consider: 1) Are there people with more seniority and/or clout telling them other thigns? 2) How are you bringing these things to their attention? Are you boxing them into a corner and forcing them to defend their decisions? 3) Are you *SURE* you're right?

                  -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?

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                  • T Tim Deveaux

                    Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.

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                    Nish Nishant
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                    Tim Deveaux wrote:

                    Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal.

                    :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Let's hope Chris sees this post :rolleyes:

                    Regards, Nish


                    Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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                    • T TechnoDev

                      And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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                      Nemanja Trifunovic
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                      TechnoDev wrote:

                      How smart is your management

                      Don't know about them, but I am smart enough not to discuss my management on a public forum ;)


                      Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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                      • T TechnoDev

                        And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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                        Ghazi H Wadi
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                        Before I read other cp'ers response. I would say what I generally think of in such situations. I have to be sincere about delivering the point of view I have and leave itt to the "They have strategic goals may not be visible at this time" excuse. Have you ever been in a situation where you are cretin about something 100% and stand for to be reminded later that you forgot or misunderstood thing wrongly. I would not bet my bread and butter on conflict of opinions and how to run a show. This is part of being a team player. Regards Raz

                        Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA

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                          He works for The Code Project:)

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                          Ghazi H Wadi
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                          From a point of view of a former coworker of Tim's ( who also plays better pool than he does!) I think everyone here should envy him. First for working on a place such as 500 - 250 Ferrand Drive and second to work on the cutting edge with those brilliant guys (Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee :) ) , and finally for being himself. So I AM SURE HE IS NOT SARCASTIC. Tim! Er... are you?:~ Cheers Raz -- modified at 16:58 Saturday 27th October, 2007

                          Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA

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                            TechnoDev wrote:

                            And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

                            Go back to my office, turn on some music and continue on with what I am being paid to do. :rolleyes: A long time ago I decided that you should never take business personally. Never!

                            Simply Elegant Designs JimmyRopes Designs
                            Think inside the box! ProActive Secure Systems
                            I'm on-line therefore I am. JimmyRopes

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                            Ghazi H Wadi
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                            Just perfect!

                            Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA

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                            • T Tim Deveaux

                              Absolutely astoundingly brilliant. Truly, it is an honor to work with individuals like these. Every aspect of their judgement carries with it all the hallmarks of superior intellect, fairness, and efficiency of execution towards a clearly defined goal. If I should stray, their calm and engaging guidance soon enlightens me as to the error of my ways. I am blessed.

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                              Gary R Wheeler
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                              I bet you even ask what shade of lipstick to wear before you kiss their a**... :laugh:


                              Software Zen: delete this;

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                                TechnoDev wrote:

                                And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

                                I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc

                                Thyme In The Country
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                                Gary R Wheeler
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                                The sexual harassment cases are a bitch though, aren't they?


                                Software Zen: delete this;

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                                  From a point of view of a former coworker of Tim's ( who also plays better pool than he does!) I think everyone here should envy him. First for working on a place such as 500 - 250 Ferrand Drive and second to work on the cutting edge with those brilliant guys (Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee :) ) , and finally for being himself. So I AM SURE HE IS NOT SARCASTIC. Tim! Er... are you?:~ Cheers Raz -- modified at 16:58 Saturday 27th October, 2007

                                  Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA

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                                  codemunkeh
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                                  "Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?


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                                  • T TechnoDev

                                    And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

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                                    Luke Lovegrove
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                                    I've had this recently, so I did the only thing I could - I left. For a number of years, I was listened to and felt valued, but then some changes in the placed meant that I felt that I wasn't being listened to or valued by the company. However, this was also roughly at the same time that the two of the only other three experienced people left as well... they lost a combined experience of about 15 years in a couple of months. It doesn't matter who you are, this has to hurt any company. But this is the sort of thing that management can cause, either deliberately or not. They may do it deliberately to cause a faster shift to create the culture they want by making the "older school" people leave (which does come at the cost of experience), so that they can refill the positions with the kind of people they want. Either way though, I believe that the people in management aren't often rated on this sort of thing, particularly if their financial targets are being met and/or exceeded. However, I now have a great boss who actually wants to listen to what I have to say, and he definitely listens. Granted, the suggestion may noy be implemented, but I've always understood why it wasn't as well, but it doesn't make me feel unappreciated with them. Often though, we will discuss the best way to proceed, and will take on board what I have to say, and modify the process that he had in mind to incorporate one or more of my ideas, or simply change to one of my suggestions. Ultimately in my case, leaving was the best decision I made. But I can appreciate that you're not always in a position to be able to do this.

                                    ------------------------ Luke Lovegrove ------------------------

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                                    • M Marc Clifton

                                      TechnoDev wrote:

                                      And what do you do when your management chooses not to listen to you. and you question your appreciation in your company?

                                      I find that most frustrating. There are times when I just want to shoot myself. I don't listen to myself, even when I know I'm right. But I do pretty good at appreciation. I take myself out to lunch, I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want, and I gotta say this about myself, I never complain about my work hours or taking time off! Marc

                                      Thyme In The Country
                                      Interacx
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                                      FyreWyrm
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                                      Marc Clifton wrote:

                                      I enjoy a cup of hot chocolate when I want

                                      Mmmmmm...hot chocolate. Can you believe that my work has been out of hot chocolate in the drink bar for a week? :mad: Doesn't that constitute grounds for some kind of unfair work environment law suit or something?

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                                        "Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?


                                        Ninja (the Nerd)
                                        Confused? You will be...

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                                        Ghazi H Wadi
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                                        Ninja-the-Nerd wrote:

                                        "Band Aid is within 150 feet from every employee" Is this how you deal with cutting edge?

                                        Gotta be prepared :cool::cool:

                                        Ghazi Hadi Al Wadi, PMP, ASQ SSGB, DBA

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                                        • N Nemanja Trifunovic

                                          TechnoDev wrote:

                                          How smart is your management

                                          Don't know about them, but I am smart enough not to discuss my management on a public forum ;)


                                          Programming Blog utf8-cpp

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                                          Chris Kaiser
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                                          That's because you use your real name as a user name. I don't think TechnoDev has that stigma.

                                          This statement was never false.

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