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  • L Lost User

    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    Maybe it's just a boy thing

    It is difficult. Boys have to be carefull because they are in a competetive environment. They want friends, but they want to succeedin the heirachy too. Weaknesses are often exposed and picked on, eveb friends turn on friendsif they feel the social pressure to do so. This gets a lot easier after about 18 or so. You just care less and less about what your peers think of you and do your own thing. You will be able then to open up and discuss attitudes, feelsing and so on at much greater depth than you can at 13. It could be you are just more mature than your peers and actually enjoy the company of older people because you can open up a little more.

    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    You make it sound too easy.

    In the end it is. People are easy. You will see one day. In the mean time just be yourself, dont be shy about your character. If any one has a problem then its their problem, not yours.

    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    You're congratulating me on losing faith in humanity?

    No, that you know you arent going to change the world.

    Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

    Guess what my ringtone is.

    Hansen by any chance?

    Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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    soap brain
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    fat_boy wrote:

    Boys have to be carefull because they are in a competetive environment. They want friends, but they want to succeedin the heirachy too. Weaknesses are often exposed and picked on, eveb friends turn on friendsif they feel the social pressure to do so.

    Stupid society...:mad:

    fat_boy wrote:

    It could be you are just more mature than your peers and actually enjoy the company of older people because you can open up a little more.

    I've been told that several times before. Warned that before I started high school. It could be true, I dunno. I don't think the human mind is properly equipped to look at itself objectively.

    fat_boy wrote:

    In the mean time just be yourself, dont be shy about your character. If any one has a problem then its their problem, not yours.

    Ah, I guess having a shy character kinda ruins it, huh. :) It may be their problem but very occasionally they make me feel otherwise. I guess it's easy to feel different when you so obviously are.

    fat_boy wrote:

    Hansen by any chance?

    I'd say that there's a very good chance of that. :cool: Well....nighty night. Nighttimes just...affect me somehow. Badly. :rose:

    It may be a jewel of open-source, but Firefox is just a browser. It shows web pages. What the hell is wrong with us?!

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    • L Lost User

      Fred_Smith wrote:

      The UN should be disbanded, pure and simple. It was a nice idea at the outset, but it is a complete and utter failure ... Maybe one day it can be resurrected in a different form

      Replace/resurrected it with what? Who or what should assume the role of world policeman in its absence? What, in its absense, of humanitarian concerns? etc...

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      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

      o or what should assume the role of world policeman in its absence?

      No one is doing the job even its presence. It took the UN ages to get off its but with Bosnia. The Kosovo interventio was not UN sanctioned till after NATO declared war on Serbia. It is useless. Usless and expensive.

      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      • L Lost User

        So I just contaced John Hay, the UN FCC conference spokes person and asked him some questions: 1) 10,000 yes really, 10,000 people are going to attend the conference in Bali for 2 weeks. And thats not including the press, who no doubt will number at least 1,000. 2) He wasnt forthcoming regarding the Carbon Footprint of the conference, I expect it hasnt even beem calculated, but assume each person, probably flying business class (on your tax money), has a total weight of around around 100 kg, then thats 1,100,000 kgs of 'airfright' alone created by the confernce. Whats the carbon footprint of that lot for a 12 hour flight? So using Flight Emissions Calculator[^] one can calculate that for a flight from Denmark to Indonesia each person costs 2.5 tonnes of CO2. Thats 27,500 tonnes of CO2 just for the flights say. But theres more! Check out this seductively glossy production: climate change conference 2OO7[^] and particularly page 18. (Thats just after the 5* hotel list (alsoo on your tax money), the 'Optional Tours' section. Yes, you can spend 6 hours, 8 hours, 9 hours, or 4 days driving and flying around the wonderful islands of indonesia lapping up the cultural beauty and atmosphere (before it is all wiped out ny Global Warming that is). The general conditions make interesting reading: Inclusive in Tour Price: Tour and transfers as mentioned in the itinerary with private airconditioned vehicle. English speaking guide. Entrance fee, donation fee and luggage handling. Accommodation at Hotel. Exclusive: Airport taxes. Tipping, gratuities & other personal expenses. Notes: Additional night in Bali might be required, depending on the return flight to the country of origin that originally booked. Ah yes, 5 days swanning around in private airconditioned cars, flying first class, staying in 5 * hotels! So whats that lot going to cost extra? a few tonnes more each? Not to mention the electricity used. 11,000 laptops and phones running for 2 weeks? Thats a few more tonnes. Food? How much has to be shipped in? Can Bali really feed that many? How about all the drink tha

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        Priceless! My 5 should offset a couple of those unwarranted 1s.


        Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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        • L Lost User

          So I just contaced John Hay, the UN FCC conference spokes person and asked him some questions: 1) 10,000 yes really, 10,000 people are going to attend the conference in Bali for 2 weeks. And thats not including the press, who no doubt will number at least 1,000. 2) He wasnt forthcoming regarding the Carbon Footprint of the conference, I expect it hasnt even beem calculated, but assume each person, probably flying business class (on your tax money), has a total weight of around around 100 kg, then thats 1,100,000 kgs of 'airfright' alone created by the confernce. Whats the carbon footprint of that lot for a 12 hour flight? So using Flight Emissions Calculator[^] one can calculate that for a flight from Denmark to Indonesia each person costs 2.5 tonnes of CO2. Thats 27,500 tonnes of CO2 just for the flights say. But theres more! Check out this seductively glossy production: climate change conference 2OO7[^] and particularly page 18. (Thats just after the 5* hotel list (alsoo on your tax money), the 'Optional Tours' section. Yes, you can spend 6 hours, 8 hours, 9 hours, or 4 days driving and flying around the wonderful islands of indonesia lapping up the cultural beauty and atmosphere (before it is all wiped out ny Global Warming that is). The general conditions make interesting reading: Inclusive in Tour Price: Tour and transfers as mentioned in the itinerary with private airconditioned vehicle. English speaking guide. Entrance fee, donation fee and luggage handling. Accommodation at Hotel. Exclusive: Airport taxes. Tipping, gratuities & other personal expenses. Notes: Additional night in Bali might be required, depending on the return flight to the country of origin that originally booked. Ah yes, 5 days swanning around in private airconditioned cars, flying first class, staying in 5 * hotels! So whats that lot going to cost extra? a few tonnes more each? Not to mention the electricity used. 11,000 laptops and phones running for 2 weeks? Thats a few more tonnes. Food? How much has to be shipped in? Can Bali really feed that many? How about all the drink tha

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          d king
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          What utter popycock! These experts are the servants of huminty and carry the future of the planet in their hands! They deserve a little R and R while working to save our future! YOUR future! Your CHILDRENS future! Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

          God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference

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            What utter popycock! These experts are the servants of huminty and carry the future of the planet in their hands! They deserve a little R and R while working to save our future! YOUR future! Your CHILDRENS future! Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

            God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference

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            BoneSoft
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            It's hypocrisy. And looks absolutely ridiculous to those of us who don't believe it's the dire situation that proponents of AGW like to claim. Especially when they hang all the blame on one tiny variable of a vastly complex system that nobody completely understands.

            d king wrote:

            Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

            Anybody with the right DNA can rightfully claim to be part of the human race.


            Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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            • D d king

              What utter popycock! These experts are the servants of huminty and carry the future of the planet in their hands! They deserve a little R and R while working to save our future! YOUR future! Your CHILDRENS future! Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

              God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference

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              Did you forget to use the joke icon and appropriate smiley.

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              • C CataclysmicQuantum

                fat_boy wrote:

                Or were untill you got the sack.

                I quit my last job. I don't get paid to engineer my own software because its a hobby. Now I am a professional bum who can't seem to get away from the computer to save my life. Thank God I can apply for almost any job online.

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                CataclysmicQuantums wrote:

                Thank God I can apply for almost any job online.

                You have to actually apply for jobs? They're not beating down your door to get you? :omg:

                Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.

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                • T Tim Craig

                  CataclysmicQuantums wrote:

                  Thank God I can apply for almost any job online.

                  You have to actually apply for jobs? They're not beating down your door to get you? :omg:

                  Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.

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                  Tim Craig wrote:

                  They're not beating down your door to get you?

                  I sure hope not.

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                  • B BoneSoft

                    It's hypocrisy. And looks absolutely ridiculous to those of us who don't believe it's the dire situation that proponents of AGW like to claim. Especially when they hang all the blame on one tiny variable of a vastly complex system that nobody completely understands.

                    d king wrote:

                    Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

                    Anybody with the right DNA can rightfully claim to be part of the human race.


                    Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                    Tim Craig
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                    BoneSoft wrote:

                    Especially when they hang all the blame on one tiny variable of a vastly complex system that nobody completely understands.

                    Yet you're so confidedent you understand it so well, you can just dismiss it all.

                    Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.

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                      BoneSoft wrote:

                      Especially when they hang all the blame on one tiny variable of a vastly complex system that nobody completely understands.

                      Yet you're so confidedent you understand it so well, you can just dismiss it all.

                      Compassionate Conservatism is an Oxymoron. Bush is just a Moron.

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                      BoneSoft
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                      Tim Craig wrote:

                      Yet you're so confidedent

                      Nope

                      Tim Craig wrote:

                      you understand it so well

                      Never said that either... In fact, I said "that nobody completely understands." You should have been aware of that since you quoted it.

                      Tim Craig wrote:

                      you can just dismiss it all

                      Have you ever read my posts on the subject? I understand it much more that the average schmoe that only gets their worldly information from the occasional biased news report and from commercials. I heard a commercial on the radio suggesting ways to reduce ozone creating chemicals. :wtf: You mean Oxygen?!? I'm starting more and more to believe that that's where Gore gets his info too though, and that got him a Nobel Peace Prize. Presumably the same way AK47s and bombs earned Arafat one. I don't dismiss it all, but frankly, I don't feel like rehashing the last 2 weeks of posts just for your benefit. So feel free to keep on believing you have a clue what I do or do not understand or believe.


                      Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                      • C CataclysmicQuantum

                        Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                        Ah, my quarry - I have found you.

                        Looks like someone has a crush.

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                        Ilion
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                        CataclysmicQuantums wrote:

                        Looks like someone has a crush.

                        My favorite pet troll (the one I have never knowingly responded to in all the years he's been infatuated with me), seems to have lost interest in CP.

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                        • R R Giskard Reventlov

                          Nice one: keep it up: wish I had the time to do this as well. Might I susggest, however, that you adopt a new alias as I doubt that any GWankers even bother to read your posts any more: they just mark them as 1.

                          home

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                          Ilion
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                          digital man wrote:

                          Might I susggest, however, that you adopt a new alias as I doubt that any GWankers even bother to read your posts any more: they just mark them as 1.

                          But they wouldn't read *anything* rational on the issue, no matter what user-name is used.

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                          • I Ilion

                            CataclysmicQuantums wrote:

                            Looks like someone has a crush.

                            My favorite pet troll (the one I have never knowingly responded to in all the years he's been infatuated with me), seems to have lost interest in CP.

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                            CataclysmicQuantum
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                            :confused: Who are you talking about?

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                            • D d king

                              What utter popycock! These experts are the servants of huminty and carry the future of the planet in their hands! They deserve a little R and R while working to save our future! YOUR future! Your CHILDRENS future! Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

                              God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference

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                              Ilion
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                              d king wrote:

                              What utter popycock!

                              That was all said with tongue planted firmly in cheek, wasn't it? I mean, it'd be such a waste to have said that in all seriousness.

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                              • C CataclysmicQuantum

                                :confused: Who are you talking about?

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                                Ilion
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                                Here at CP he's been calling himself "*Cough*"

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                                • D d king

                                  What utter popycock! These experts are the servants of huminty and carry the future of the planet in their hands! They deserve a little R and R while working to save our future! YOUR future! Your CHILDRENS future! Honestly, some people really dont deserve to call themselves members of the human race!

                                  God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change; the courage to change the things I can; and the wisdom to know the difference

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                                  bryce
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                                  why should we do as they say when they're not prepared to do it themselves? Bryce

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