Banning GPL articles
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
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Excuse my ignorance - I'm unfamiliar with the various licences and the differences between them. Is GPL the licence that comes with libs like NUnit and Log4net? Does this mean that if for instance I posted something that used as part of the solution, code from a free library like NUnit, it would be rejected? Would it depend on whether the article based itself on the code, i.e. took the concepts and hard work that had gone into it and changed them a little, or if it simply used them as part of an overall solution, say off the top of my head, using log4net as a part of a web development framework? (If that's a valid comparison) ? I'd be of the opinion that if there's a component to do something which is peripheral to the main content of the article, then isn't it only logical to write the article on the basis of the way you would develop in a production scenario, i.e. get the best tool for the job and get on with it? Again, excuse my ignorance, just raising the question. Doubtless there are less legally-minded members of CP who would likewise benefit from an informed response.
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
As a compromise, should one be desirable, you might make the liscense a category for the posts, allowing people to search for code by license type. This would allow people to filter out GPL should they so desire, while keeping the articles available should others want to view them for tutorial purposes (or be willing to adhere to the terms of the GPL).
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I can already see the Slashdot headline:
Top Windows Developer Site Bans GPL Code Rumors have it that site owner is sleeping with Bill Gates. Also, he is the spawn of Satan. Bribery suspected. Stallman and Moglen planning legal action.
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GPL, in my opinion, violates the submission guidelines: If you post to CodeProject then you retain copyright of your article and code. You also give CodeProject permission to use it in a fair manner and also permit other developers to use the sourcecode associated with your articles in their own applications as long as they do not remove your copyright notices or try and take credit for your work. GPL is not compatible with this statement IMO. I vote for NO GPL code. Cheers, Drew.
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As a compromise, should one be desirable, you might make the liscense a category for the posts, allowing people to search for code by license type. This would allow people to filter out GPL should they so desire, while keeping the articles available should others want to view them for tutorial purposes (or be willing to adhere to the terms of the GPL).
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Is it April in Canada already? ;P Sometimes your work is forced to be GPL due to GPL dependencies.
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
I would say we shouldn't host any GPL code at CodeProject, since it is clearly not compatible with the spirit of this community. However, if there is an article with a link to GPL code hosted i.e. at SourceForge, I say let's allow it. Many articles are useful without the code.
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I would say we shouldn't host any GPL code at CodeProject, since it is clearly not compatible with the spirit of this community. However, if there is an article with a link to GPL code hosted i.e. at SourceForge, I say let's allow it. Many articles are useful without the code.
sorry for my ignorance about all these license things, but in what is it not compatible with CP' spirit ?
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As a compromise, should one be desirable, you might make the liscense a category for the posts, allowing people to search for code by license type. This would allow people to filter out GPL should they so desire, while keeping the articles available should others want to view them for tutorial purposes (or be willing to adhere to the terms of the GPL).
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
Good eye! (Good observation) Mike
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Bad idea. Yeah, right now, there are a lot of articles that are more "article" than "code", and it's more of an irritation than anything. But if you ever want to make this a nicer place for on-going projects, GPL is a must.
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How would you all feel if we banned GPL licenced code on The Code Project? 1 = bad idea, 5 = good idea
cheers, Chris Maunder
CodeProject.com : C++ MVP
Personally, I regard GPL as a virus licence. I don't like it as it is effectively authoritarian and doesn't fit with the idea of community. As an Open Source licence I would say that FreeBSD is the one that fits community best.
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Bad idea. Yeah, right now, there are a lot of articles that are more "article" than "code", and it's more of an irritation than anything. But if you ever want to make this a nicer place for on-going projects, GPL is a must.
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Shog9 wrote:
But if you ever want to make this a nicer place for on-going projects, GPL is a must.
Saying that the "GPL is a must" does not follow from making this a "nicer place for on-going projects". Why is GPL a must in that situation? Why must it be GPL? Why not some other licence?
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sorry for my ignorance about all these license things, but in what is it not compatible with CP' spirit ?
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toxcct wrote:
but in what is it not compatible with CP' spirit ?
It is an authoritarian licence. It dictates unreasonable terms to force "community" rather than just let the community happen. If communities are to be successful then they have to come together of their own volition. You can't force a community together. -- modified at 13:12 Wednesday 21st November, 2007 Corrected a typo.
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toxcct wrote:
Why ?!
Because they dictate too much. They are not in keeping with the spirit of a community, in my opinion.
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Is it April in Canada already? ;P Sometimes your work is forced to be GPL due to GPL dependencies.
xacc.ide
IronScheme a R5RS-compliant Scheme on the DLR
The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach."leppie wrote:
Sometimes your work is forced to be GPL due to GPL dependencies.
Probably a good reason to not see or use GPL code. I don't want to be forced in to GPLing something because of some restrictive licence.
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As a compromise, should one be desirable, you might make the liscense a category for the posts, allowing people to search for code by license type. This would allow people to filter out GPL should they so desire, while keeping the articles available should others want to view them for tutorial purposes (or be willing to adhere to the terms of the GPL).
Christopher Duncan Author of The Career Programmer and Unite the Tribes Coming soon: Got a career question? Ask the Attack Chihuahua! www.PracticalUSA.com
Christopher Duncan wrote:
As a compromise, should one be desirable, you might make the liscense a category for the posts, allowing people to search for code by license type
That's a good idea. I'd also like to see a big red flashing banner on any article with GPL code so I know to steer clear of it.
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Excuse my ignorance - I'm unfamiliar with the various licences and the differences between them. Is GPL the licence that comes with libs like NUnit and Log4net? Does this mean that if for instance I posted something that used as part of the solution, code from a free library like NUnit, it would be rejected? Would it depend on whether the article based itself on the code, i.e. took the concepts and hard work that had gone into it and changed them a little, or if it simply used them as part of an overall solution, say off the top of my head, using log4net as a part of a web development framework? (If that's a valid comparison) ? I'd be of the opinion that if there's a component to do something which is peripheral to the main content of the article, then isn't it only logical to write the article on the basis of the way you would develop in a production scenario, i.e. get the best tool for the job and get on with it? Again, excuse my ignorance, just raising the question. Doubtless there are less legally-minded members of CP who would likewise benefit from an informed response.
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melchizidech wrote:
Is GPL the licence that comes with libs like NUnit and Log4net?
No. NUnit License[^] It looks similar to FreeBSD which I think is the closest to what I regard as genuine open source.
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What is your motivation?
My head asplode!
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To protect Joe Q Coder from accidentally tainting his companies code base because he copy/pasted without reading the whole article to see the GPL tag.
-- Help Stamp Out and Abolish Redundancy The preceding is courtesy of the Department of Unnecessarily Redundant Repetition Department.
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You mean only have code that comes with no license at all? Hmm... perhaps. But if somebody had a project that others could benefit from by posting it with an article, yet they didn't want people to just take their code and use it (rather, that they learn from it and develop their own code)... :confused: I'm gonna just say 3 ;P
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The Undefeated wrote:
You mean only have code that comes with no license at all?
Code without a licence would default to only permitting the creator (or copyright holder if it has been reassigned) to use the code.
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