Would be nice if Microsoft...
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Rocky Moore wrote:
Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features.
I absolutely agree. Marc
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Can't help but agree. I had similar hissy fit in my head soon after VS 2005 was released and all the post I was seeing from the VS guys were about Orcas. Grrrrr
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
VS... Oh yeah! That's why i'm sitting here at work! It hung with full-CPU and 1GB+ RAM usage after i opened a couple of my favorite C++ projects. So i closed it, and started browsing the web while waiting for it to die. Three hours later... :-O
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Rocky Moore wrote:
Because the stack might be zillion levels deep
Hell, it would be nice if we could even get it, before deciding on usability. Our download stopped at 50%, and their POS download manager wouldn't resume.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Because the stack might be zillion levels deep
Hell, it would be nice if we could even get it, before deciding on usability. Our download stopped at 50%, and their POS download manager wouldn't resume.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
LOL, I think the quote came from somewhere else :)
xacc.ide
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LOL, I think the quote came from somewhere else :)
xacc.ide
IronScheme a R5RS-compliant Scheme on the DLR
The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach."Yes, but it's what inspired the name of my blog.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Rocky Moore wrote:
Would be nice if Microsoft...
...produced a true British English version of Windows without "color" and "favorite".... ...produced an OS which didn't close the Start menu when a new program window opened... ...produced an OS which didn't abort copy operations if a single file has a problem... ...I'll stop there.
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I don't feel so bad now cuz I didn't join the stampede to download it...still finding nifty new features I didn't know about it VS2005...
Yeah, even with bugs, I would rather use 2008 than 2005. Into a lot of LINQ along with web applications and the older 2005 just does not cut it for those purposes. You should still give it a looksy though, the have new improvements even if some are bugs ;)
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Because the stack might be zillion levels deep
Hell, it would be nice if we could even get it, before deciding on usability. Our download stopped at 50%, and their POS download manager wouldn't resume.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
Ouch.. I was kind of lucky, once they had it posted and going, I managed to get it and MSDN (total over about 5-6 GB) in less than an hour. Sure glad the cable company got my 10mb line running finally! :) Of course, I am sure that is not what you wanted to hear :((
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
...but don't hold your breath for either one; they're equally statistically unlikely. From what I've seen inside Microsoft, bragging rights always go to the folks who do the kewl new features rather than the people who make what they have, solid as a rock. I wouldn't put money I didn't mind losing on the proposition that this will change without an absolutely cathartic cultural shift, which would imply major changes in senior and mid-level mismanagement. As a developer and a stockholder, I'm pissed about VS 2008. Why should stockholders care? Remember "Developers, developers, developers!!"? SteveB, if you don't give us (or at least sell us) tools that let us do our jobs and create great products without feeling like we're "building mnemonic memory circuits using stone knives and bearskins" every day, eventually enough of us are going to go Someplace Else. And eventually that Someplace Else will have "developers, developers, developers", and MSFT will be on the pink sheets instead of the Big Board. People who've read my stuff know I'm not SteveB's greatest fan, but there are still enough friends and good people working at MSFT that I really would hate to see that sort of thing happen.
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Yes, but it's what inspired the name of my blog.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
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Rocky Moore wrote:
Would be nice if Microsoft...
...produced a true British English version of Windows without "color" and "favorite".... ...produced an OS which didn't close the Start menu when a new program window opened... ...produced an OS which didn't abort copy operations if a single file has a problem... ...I'll stop there.
Steve_Harris wrote:
...produced a true British English version of Windows without "color" and "favorite"....
Or indeed any vendor that offers choices for a language where I'm forced to select the only English it has, but insists on calling it "English (United States)" -- if there is only one choice for English, just call it "English"!
Regards, Ray
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Yes, but it's what inspired the name of my blog.
My head asplode!
Calling all South African developers! Your participation in this local dev community will be mutually beneficial, to you and us.
No I meant the quote from Rocky in your reply, it somehow grabbed the text from my post :omg: :wtf:
xacc.ide
IronScheme a R5RS-compliant Scheme on the DLR
The rule of three: "The first time you notice something that might repeat, don't generalize it. The second time the situation occurs, develop in a similar fashion -- possibly even copy/paste -- but don't generalize yet. On the third time, look to generalize the approach." -
[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
I agree. Not saying its right but MS is under a lot of pressure for VS 2008 due to its support of .Net 3.5 and WPF. Can't sell Vista without compelling software, can't make compelling software without 3.5 or so probably goes the business case inside MS.
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Another strange problem - try creating a web-site in a folder with a "#" in the path, and then using the design view.
- Master pages complain that you can only use a ContentPlaceHolder on a master page.
- Content pages are completely blank, until you try to drag the tiny block representing the content control from the top-left corner of the screen to anywhere else; then they display an error message that the master page file can't be loaded. The path to the master page is truncated at the directory above the folder with the "#" in the name - e.g. if the site is in "C:\Users\Richard\Documents\C#\Test\", "~/Site.master" is resolved as "C:\Users\Richard\Documents\Site.master"!
I've reported this as a bug[^], but it's obviously too late for the RTM version.
"These people looked deep within my soul and assigned me a number based on the order in which I joined." - Homer
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
My experience is just the opposite: during the betas of VS 2008 the product was stable most of the time (the betas were my production environment targeting Framework 3.0). I had an intellisense problem that crashes Visual Studio, but it was quickly resolved with a patch from Microsoft connect.
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[Hissy Fit On] Would be nice if Microsoft spent a bit more time on product stability than new features. I love new features, but during the betas of VS 2008, the product crashed most of the time when I would exit it. Using the betas, it was common practice for me to exit before moving to another project, I found that if I switch between several web projects, it would occationally die in addition to the common crash on exit. I know there is a lot going on with VS, but today, after installing the RTM and updating a couple web applications from their breaking changes (even closing down VS on each project), on the third project when I went to close it, VS hung and I had to use task manager to kill it. While I can still work with the product and this only is a problem when I am exiting, it would be nice if extra work went into making it a bit more stable on exit. Of course, it could always be the possibility that it is only one my system and that Microsoft is directly targeting me ;) [Hissy Fit Off]
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Updating VS 2008 B2 Websites to RTM Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Just a thought, but are you sure it's not just leftover cruft from the betas? Try installing it to a clean system and see if the problem prevails (usually pretty easy to do with VMWare or Virtual PC. That's the problem with betas, they often leave crap behind that can interfere with the final release.
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