IE rules: used by 95.3% Internet users
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Vagif Abilov wrote: I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Unfortunately yes... with TW/AOL owning Netscape, the next version of AOL (v8) is currently in an internal BETA and rumors are that Netscape is the browser of choice. The numbers will surely change overnight with AOL's 35M users switching. Assume a safe number that only 65% will upgrade to AOL v8 and we're still talking 22M users. While that may not sway the balance from IE and bring their market hold down to 70 or 80%, you can't exactly ignore Netscape or you've just cut 20-30% of your potential market/audience from the start. What we're doing is focusing on the IE5.x+ users for the standard site. The stripped features (no rollovers, dynamics, special UI tweaks, etc) don't exist for Netscape. -AC Andrew Connell IM on MSN andrew@aconnell.com
I very much doubt AOL will actually do this. When all of a sudden their browser stops working with a large number of web sites, it won't be those sites that get the blame, it will be AOL who will be answering the phone explaining why their users can't get to their web sites any more.
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More on http://www.iexbeta.com/ I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
Never really understood the browser competitions. All these add on features. To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. In fact, I've been considering writing a browser that does nothing but that, and marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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More on http://www.iexbeta.com/ I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
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Never really understood the browser competitions. All these add on features. To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. In fact, I've been considering writing a browser that does nothing but that, and marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. Don't oversimplify it. All we need from cars is to bring us from point A to point B, but they do it so differently! Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
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Christopher Duncan wrote: To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. Don't oversimplify it. All we need from cars is to bring us from point A to point B, but they do it so differently! Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
Vagif Abilov wrote: All we need from cars is to bring us from point A to point B, but they do it so differently! Great analogy! Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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I very much doubt AOL will actually do this. When all of a sudden their browser stops working with a large number of web sites, it won't be those sites that get the blame, it will be AOL who will be answering the phone explaining why their users can't get to their web sites any more.
John Burton wrote: I very much doubt AOL will actually do this. I wish I were as optimistic as you are. Don't get me wrong, I do not wish for this to happen. I'm not a Netscape-hater, but I see how well IE works and really like just about everything that MS has done with it... and therefore I want it to be used on 100% of the desktops. Read this... http://news.com.com/2100-1023-935306.html Andrew Connell IM on MSN andrew@aconnell.com
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Vagif Abilov wrote: I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Unfortunately yes... with TW/AOL owning Netscape, the next version of AOL (v8) is currently in an internal BETA and rumors are that Netscape is the browser of choice. The numbers will surely change overnight with AOL's 35M users switching. Assume a safe number that only 65% will upgrade to AOL v8 and we're still talking 22M users. While that may not sway the balance from IE and bring their market hold down to 70 or 80%, you can't exactly ignore Netscape or you've just cut 20-30% of your potential market/audience from the start. What we're doing is focusing on the IE5.x+ users for the standard site. The stripped features (no rollovers, dynamics, special UI tweaks, etc) don't exist for Netscape. -AC Andrew Connell IM on MSN andrew@aconnell.com
Andrew Connell wrote: Unfortunately yes... with TW/AOL owning Netscape, the next version of AOL (v8) is currently in an internal BETA and rumors are that Netscape is the browser of choice. The numbers will surely change overnight with AOL's 35M users switching. Assume a safe number that only 65% will upgrade to AOL v8 and we're still talking 22M users And that is perfectly fine, even for us web developers. Mozilla 1 and all browsers based on it (like Netscape 6 and 7) are great. I recently coded a site which had IE6 and Mozilla 1.0 as the lowest browsers to support. I only had to add in one line of extra CSS to make the site look and work the same in both sets of browsers. Other than that, no browser compatibility issues. So people can use whatever browser they want, as long as it is standards compliant, which all browsers coming out now are (and if they are not, they will die a horrible death.) Read Zeldman's site and A List Apart to see why we should be working towards future proofing our sites and not making them backwards compatible. regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Brian Delahunty wrote: one of my boys on the inside instead of the outside benjymous wrote: All the male CP inhabitants cross their legs in unison
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More on http://www.iexbeta.com/ I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
I tried Mozilla a couple of months ago and now I use Mozilla religiously. It may only be my opinion, but I think it is better than IE. Some cool features: tabbed windows, the ability to disable pop-up windows, themes and it opens up faster then IE on my Windows 2000 computer. Mozilla is completely standards compliant, and most web sites look better with Mozilla (comparing to IE 6 which is partly because IE has some weird layout issues). The nightly builds are stable enough to use (that's what I'm using right now) that's what I would recommend grabbing. -Mark Lenz
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Never really understood the browser competitions. All these add on features. To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. In fact, I've been considering writing a browser that does nothing but that, and marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: Never really understood the browser competitions It was about ownership of the web. By introducing features into your browser to win customers over. The problem was the added features were not part of the W3C's recommended standards. Also a big problem is that no one really understands the W3C's standards. There are still a lot of interpretation issues. e.g. The box model. Mozilla got it wrong on it's first try, but thankfully have fixed it. All Mac IE5 browsers still have the problem. IE6 fixed it though. I would not count MS as having given up trying to own the web yet :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Brian Delahunty wrote: one of my boys on the inside instead of the outside benjymous wrote: All the male CP inhabitants cross their legs in unison
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Christopher Duncan wrote: Never really understood the browser competitions It was about ownership of the web. By introducing features into your browser to win customers over. The problem was the added features were not part of the W3C's recommended standards. Also a big problem is that no one really understands the W3C's standards. There are still a lot of interpretation issues. e.g. The box model. Mozilla got it wrong on it's first try, but thankfully have fixed it. All Mac IE5 browsers still have the problem. IE6 fixed it though. I would not count MS as having given up trying to own the web yet :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Brian Delahunty wrote: one of my boys on the inside instead of the outside benjymous wrote: All the male CP inhabitants cross their legs in unison
Paul Watson wrote: I would not count MS as having given up trying to own the web yet Absolutely - that's what .NET is all about! Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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Vagif Abilov wrote: I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Unfortunately yes... with TW/AOL owning Netscape, the next version of AOL (v8) is currently in an internal BETA and rumors are that Netscape is the browser of choice. The numbers will surely change overnight with AOL's 35M users switching. Assume a safe number that only 65% will upgrade to AOL v8 and we're still talking 22M users. While that may not sway the balance from IE and bring their market hold down to 70 or 80%, you can't exactly ignore Netscape or you've just cut 20-30% of your potential market/audience from the start. What we're doing is focusing on the IE5.x+ users for the standard site. The stripped features (no rollovers, dynamics, special UI tweaks, etc) don't exist for Netscape. -AC Andrew Connell IM on MSN andrew@aconnell.com
Andrew Connell wrote: you can't exactly ignore Netscape or you've just cut 20-30% of your potential market/audience from the start If you ignore the little bastards maybe they will grow a brain and switch companies? ____________________ David Wulff "You don't go to the kitchen to take a piss - if you do, don't expect to be served." - peterchen on Bill SerGio. "I've squeezed off turds that had more going for them then you do." - John Simmons on Bill SerGio "Ohh ohhh aahhh ahhh ahh ahhh oohhhh yeeeessss ohhhh aahhhhh yesssss!" - Me on Bill SerGio
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More on http://www.iexbeta.com/ I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
I still care about browser compatibility because I hate the idea of the internet becoming a Microsoft-only zone. Once people start coding only for IE, that's exactly what happens. You have to be dependent on Microsoft to get onto the internet and go anywhere. What this means is that Microsoft can push whatever products it wants. For example, if it decides that it wants the replace Shockwave with it's own product, it just bundles that product with IE. If it wants to kill Java, it doesn't bundle Java with IE and ships .NET instead. It also allows Microsoft to add it's own HTML extensions to push other browsers out of the market. Microsoft's control of the web-browser will probably be worse than Microsoft's control of the OS and desktop.
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Never really understood the browser competitions. All these add on features. To me, all I need out of a browser is to type in an address and have it display the web page. In fact, I've been considering writing a browser that does nothing but that, and marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... So what does the F stand for? :laugh: James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
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More on http://www.iexbeta.com/ I did not it's domination was SO overwhelming. Do you guys still care about browser compatibility? Vagif Abilov MCP (Visual C++) Oslo, Norway
I think you've still to care about browser compatibility bacause many people access the web through "web-kiosks" and mobile devices (PDA and smartphones) and this kind of internet usage is going to increase in next years. You've also to consider that AOL is thinking about switching from IE to Mozilla as its default browser and this means that the 95.3% figure is going to decrease. You've also to consider different IE setup. I usually have javascript and ActiveXs disabled for the generic internet zone and I enable it only for trusted sites (like codeproject) and many website display a blank page :) (the use javascript to detect the browser type...). You've also to care about people with handicaps that may use particular kind of browsers (lynx is widely used among blind people, for example). In this case you should ensure that the information provided by your site can be "viewed" also in text mode and provide alt tags for pictures and, maybe, a text-only version of pages. -- Looking for a new screen-saver? Try FOYD: http://digilander.iol.it/FOYD
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Christopher Duncan wrote: marketing it as JAFB - "Just A Browser"... So what does the F stand for? :laugh: James "Java is free - and worth every penny." - Christian Graus
James T. Johnson wrote: So what does the F stand for? ;) Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)