Stupid office dispute!
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
A tray icon indicates an active process. An active process takes some share of the RAM memory. This would little degrade the performance for other application that you are working as well.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
T1TAN wrote:
Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently.
Everyone knows that if you have more than 3 icons you listen to crappy music. I can't beleive you didn't know. Are you talking about quicklaunch icons (next to the start menu) or the ones on the right, by the clock? Either way, quicklaunch icons are pretty much the same as every other shortcut on your computer, so that answer to that is no, they won't slow the machine. If its the ones on the right... well, thats a different story, with their huge KB of ram usage, and massive 100's of cpu cycles, they will surely be the downfall of your machine. /sarcasm
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
- Tell them to mind their own freakin' business. If you do it with a gun in your hand, it'll probably stick better. 2) The icons in the system tray themselves don't take processor time. The apps that they represent, however, do take up CPU time because those apps are actually running. How much CPU time they take up depends on how well the apps are written. I have six programs running that have icons in the system tray (nvidia control panel, printer server monitor, nHancer, sound, LAN monitor, windows update, and vs2005 customer experience crap. I have 37 processes running according to TaskManager. 3) The icons on the desktop don't take any cpu time (meaning 0 cpu cycles), but the act of starting up the computer takes longer when you have a crap load of icons on the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
Tray icons and task bar icons (excluding the Quick Launch bar) both represent the same thing: a running process. Each running process consumes resources: CPU time, memory, and I/O bandwidth. The more processes you have running, the more resources are consumed. That said, only you can decide whether the performance of your machine is adversely affected by the processes you have running. Myself, I only have a couple applications running 'in the background'. I work with folks who have a dozen or more: weather monitors, stock tickers, media players, and so on. As long as you're happy with the performance of your machine, who cares? Secondly, regarding 'bad music': as long as you listen under headphones and don't force it on your coworkers, again, who cares?
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T1TAN wrote:
Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently.
Everyone knows that if you have more than 3 icons you listen to crappy music. I can't beleive you didn't know. Are you talking about quicklaunch icons (next to the start menu) or the ones on the right, by the clock? Either way, quicklaunch icons are pretty much the same as every other shortcut on your computer, so that answer to that is no, they won't slow the machine. If its the ones on the right... well, thats a different story, with their huge KB of ram usage, and massive 100's of cpu cycles, they will surely be the downfall of your machine. /sarcasm
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
SK Genius wrote:
Everyone knows that if you have more than 3 icons you listen to crappy music. I can't beleive you didn't know.
Blast, I didn't! I'll just go ahead and remove some of these icons. I guess that will make my music smart, perhaps even genius!:cool: No, not the quicklaunch icons, I mean those by the clock. Those pesky things that eat your disk space, convert your RAM into goo and create bad pixels on your monitor. I've even noticed that some of these icons actually follow you home and kill your dog. But I don't have any proof of that. :^)
--- http://sprdsoft.cmar-net.org - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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A tray icon indicates an active process. An active process takes some share of the RAM memory. This would little degrade the performance for other application that you are working as well.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonVasudevan Deepak K wrote:
This would little degrade the performance for other application that you are working as well.
I couldn't agree more! But does the icon really matter? Isn't that the same with no icon present? I think we all agree that ANY app, no matter how small it is, will always take a bit of your resources. But to think that icons slow things down..:confused:
--- http://sprdsoft.cmar-net.org - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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- Tell them to mind their own freakin' business. If you do it with a gun in your hand, it'll probably stick better. 2) The icons in the system tray themselves don't take processor time. The apps that they represent, however, do take up CPU time because those apps are actually running. How much CPU time they take up depends on how well the apps are written. I have six programs running that have icons in the system tray (nvidia control panel, printer server monitor, nHancer, sound, LAN monitor, windows update, and vs2005 customer experience crap. I have 37 processes running according to TaskManager. 3) The icons on the desktop don't take any cpu time (meaning 0 cpu cycles), but the act of starting up the computer takes longer when you have a crap load of icons on the desktop.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Well, that would just be sweet.:cool:
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I have a bit more than 37, about 50, but I'm running many apps and services at the moment (mysql, sqlserver, etc..) but still...icons?? What is that? Are these icons rederred in 3D with antialiasing x8 with pixel shaders and bump mapping??
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
So true!
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
I try to keep my background processes to a minimum. Some programs still run in the background regardless if there is an icon or not. However things like Quicktime, Winzip, and plenty of other programs will try to put an icon down there which represents an active process that doesn't really need to be running. I don't see why they care how you have your computer set up. Regardless, of your hardware setup, having loads of processes in the background at loadtime will increase the amount of time it takes to start up Windows.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote:
This would little degrade the performance for other application that you are working as well.
I couldn't agree more! But does the icon really matter? Isn't that the same with no icon present? I think we all agree that ANY app, no matter how small it is, will always take a bit of your resources. But to think that icons slow things down..:confused:
--- http://sprdsoft.cmar-net.org - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
A few applications give icons as visual representations of the underlying processes. They themselves in most cases are harmless. However, on slower systems and with more powerful tray icons, which even have animation capabilities, I feel, it might slow down particularly for Windows repaint requests.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Tray icons and task bar icons (excluding the Quick Launch bar) both represent the same thing: a running process. Each running process consumes resources: CPU time, memory, and I/O bandwidth. The more processes you have running, the more resources are consumed. That said, only you can decide whether the performance of your machine is adversely affected by the processes you have running. Myself, I only have a couple applications running 'in the background'. I work with folks who have a dozen or more: weather monitors, stock tickers, media players, and so on. As long as you're happy with the performance of your machine, who cares? Secondly, regarding 'bad music': as long as you listen under headphones and don't force it on your coworkers, again, who cares?
Software Zen:
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As long as you're happy with the performance of your machine, who cares?
Agreed. I mean, I don't like to see icons on my desktop, but I don't go around preaching. But who knows, maybe I should start.. :doh:
Gary Wheeler wrote:
as long as you listen under headphones and don't force it on your coworkers, again, who cares?
Of course, some people would probably die after exposure to some things in my collection. But then again, who am I to judge myself? ;P
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
If you want/need the process that the Icon represents then I can't believe the icon itself uses much in the way of resources. If you want the app leave the icon. I do tend to fight a war against these things though, simply beacause some software - Real / Quicktime etc installs an Icon and a process that runs from the time Windows starts. I want these programs to run when i watch a video, not when the OS starts so I make sure that the process with the icon gets binned. Russell
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
Well, yes they do. (see other responses). You just lost your argument. ;P
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
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I try to keep my background processes to a minimum. Some programs still run in the background regardless if there is an icon or not. However things like Quicktime, Winzip, and plenty of other programs will try to put an icon down there which represents an active process that doesn't really need to be running. I don't see why they care how you have your computer set up. Regardless, of your hardware setup, having loads of processes in the background at loadtime will increase the amount of time it takes to start up Windows.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo.
Oh trust me, I kill those immediately. There are things I really hate, like Winamp Agent or Java scheduler, which just appear without even asking whether I want them or not.:mad: Background processes can be really bad, that's given, but not all background apps eat your lunch and defragment your hard drive. Besides, it's not hard to identify a faulty cpu-memory-consuming process when you experience problems (which I haven't, thank God).
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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Well, yes they do. (see other responses). You just lost your argument. ;P
Maximilien Lincourt Your Head A Splode - Strong Bad
Heh, heh.. maybe I should start a new argument: should I run anything on my workstation? Because it doesn't really matter what I run, it will *most certainly* slow down everything! Maybe I should just go back to DOS 6.22 ..no icons there.. :rolleyes:
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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If you want/need the process that the Icon represents then I can't believe the icon itself uses much in the way of resources. If you want the app leave the icon. I do tend to fight a war against these things though, simply beacause some software - Real / Quicktime etc installs an Icon and a process that runs from the time Windows starts. I want these programs to run when i watch a video, not when the OS starts so I make sure that the process with the icon gets binned. Russell
Russell Jones wrote:
If you want/need the process that the Icon represents then I can't believe the icon itself uses much in the way of resources. If you want the app leave the icon.
Agreed.
Russell Jones wrote:
I do tend to fight a war against these things though, simply beacause some software - Real / Quicktime etc installs an Icon and a process that runs from the time Windows starts. I want these programs to run when i watch a video, not when the OS starts so I make sure that the process with the icon gets binned.
Also agreed. But I do have a problem with people commenting MY tray icons as unnecessary. Unnecessary to whom? As mr. John Simmons said above, people should mind their own business. Unfortunately, I can't do a "do ya feel lucky, punk?" treatment, I must have misplaced my .44 somewhere.. ;)
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.
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Well, I'm not sure if this is the right place to post this, it's certainly not programming.. but here goes.. Some colleagues at work have been bugging me for quite some time, and since they are starting to be a P.I.T.A. lately :^) , I've decided to ask everyone here for some info. They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all. Now, I may or may not have much experience (depends on your point of view and experience), but from my experience, tray icons affect performance as much a broken Scroll Lock key on your keyboard. And I don't have hundreds of icons, OF COURSE that would slow down the workstation. I usually have between 10 and 15 icons. And I'm sure you have some of these too: Winamp, LAN status, Google Talk, Thunderbird, AV, Comodo Firewall, Sound manager, Track-it lite, Check point VPN client, etc.. Wow..that's 9 of them already. Others come and go when needed (apache monitor and similar). What I know, from my experience, that desktop icons affect performance far more than tray icons. This might not be true at all, I don't have any hard evidence, this could be just me and my crazy and/or retarded mind. What ever. I tend to believe that application which OWN the icons may or may not slow things down, but does it really matter if your AV software is not displaying a tray icon? Is it faster? Is it scanning better? Is it detecting viruses better? Is your firewall faster when you hide the tray icon?? Hmm..well, I certainly wouldn't bet on it. So my question to everyone is: what do you think? Do they [tray icons] affect performance or not? What about desktop icons? (I have disabled desktop icons completely, they (colleagues) keep them, so I'm curious about that too..) Mind you that this is an Athlon 64, dual head, with 4GB or RAM. Now really. :doh: Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently. :wtf:
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T1TAN wrote:
They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all.
reading through the replies, it is hard to know if you are talking about the icons themselves or the applications. For instance, you can leave the application running in background and turn off the tray-icon. The speed increase is almost negligable. The actual operation to draw the tray icon is operated with a hardware accelerated bitblt() function. You do have the overhead of a driver call, plus the hardware response time, plus the return to the system after the call. But given a decent system and decent IO to the graphics card, and nothing else going on with the graphics card at the time, no problem. Now you can affect the stream of data to the graphics card with the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, this is easy to do on AGP and more difficult on PCIex. In this case the tray icon is simply the overhead of all your images, plus the operations currently being applied to the graphics card, you overrun the maximum buffer size for commands and the system has to start partitioning out time for driver commands, now ever command you send is precious. But the reason is not the tray icon, it is the overall number of operations going on with the system (dynamic images, movies, etc). Now as others have mentioned, each tray icon does represent a task, the more tasks, the more overhead. A poorly written task regardless of the tray icon or not, can bring a system to its knees. So you are entirely dependant on the task itself, not the icon. But the more tasks you have, the more likely you will find a task that does slow down the system significantly, or two tasks that fight each other for resources resulting in contention slowdowns which are far more common. So the short answer: it depends.
T1TAN wrote:
Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently.
That depends on if you are listening to my music. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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T1TAN wrote:
They claim that tray icons slow down the workstation. That is all.
reading through the replies, it is hard to know if you are talking about the icons themselves or the applications. For instance, you can leave the application running in background and turn off the tray-icon. The speed increase is almost negligable. The actual operation to draw the tray icon is operated with a hardware accelerated bitblt() function. You do have the overhead of a driver call, plus the hardware response time, plus the return to the system after the call. But given a decent system and decent IO to the graphics card, and nothing else going on with the graphics card at the time, no problem. Now you can affect the stream of data to the graphics card with the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back, this is easy to do on AGP and more difficult on PCIex. In this case the tray icon is simply the overhead of all your images, plus the operations currently being applied to the graphics card, you overrun the maximum buffer size for commands and the system has to start partitioning out time for driver commands, now ever command you send is precious. But the reason is not the tray icon, it is the overall number of operations going on with the system (dynamic images, movies, etc). Now as others have mentioned, each tray icon does represent a task, the more tasks, the more overhead. A poorly written task regardless of the tray icon or not, can bring a system to its knees. So you are entirely dependant on the task itself, not the icon. But the more tasks you have, the more likely you will find a task that does slow down the system significantly, or two tasks that fight each other for resources resulting in contention slowdowns which are far more common. So the short answer: it depends.
T1TAN wrote:
Of course, because of the fact that I have more than 3 icons on my tray, I am stupid and "listen to bad music". Apparently.
That depends on if you are listening to my music. ;P
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
El Corazon wrote:
it is hard to know if you are talking about the icons themselves or the applications
Well, it depends. :-D What they mean is that the "ton" of icons on my system tray is an obvious sign that I have too many background processes..which may or may not be true, but since I don't go around telling people what to keep on their machines, I don't see any cause for other people to comment my workstation (even if there IS a slight chance they might be right).
El Corazon wrote:
That depends on if you are listening to my music.
Heh, I know, exactly :-D
--- http://dsi.vozibrale.com - We Sprd You Softly Our site features contents and several images. All of this is very weird. In the end, war is not about who's right, it's about who's left.