Gamers prefer XP
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If you offered those same people a free upgrade to Vista, how many would take it? Gamers tend to be in the group of people that rely on synthetic benchmarks rather than real-world performance. If a new OS reduces their framerate from a silky smooth 150fps imperceptible to 140fps, then they will complain long and hard about how terrible the new architecture is (in this case DX10), without taking into account the benefits.
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Mark Churchill wrote:
If you offered those same people a free upgrade to Vista, how many would take it?
ya.. I'm a lit bit behind. When MS released Windows 98, I liked Windows 95. When they released Windows 2000, Win98 was mine.. then, they released XP but Windows 2000 was so right for me.. now, they released Vista but I'm fall in love with XP.. :)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
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Thats not very reliable. It doesn't actually show anything. It may just tell us that about 80% of the users havn't upgraded to Vista yet. Now if they had asked people with Vista using their network if they prefered Vista over XP, then i'd be happy to accept the results.
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
SK Genius wrote:
It may just tell us that about 80% of the users havn't upgraded to Vista yet.
Yeah. I totally agree with you..
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
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People do or dont upgrade for a reason. When there is that much of a gap between them, it is hard to argue.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Dammit, my reply didn't go through and i didn't even realise.. i guess i shall try to remember it... Money? I find that money is usually quite the motivator. People have also been using XP for a long time, they have things the way they like them. Saying that gamers prefer XP is also quite the assumption. The statement may also imply that XP is better for games than Vista, which may or may not be true. All this statistical peice of information is telling us, is that 80% of steams users are on XP. Its actually quite useless for anything else. As another example, you probably think FF is better than IE right? And if not, you probably think that Opera is better than IE? And if not... i guess you like IE. Anyway, the point is, FF may be better than IE, but how many people actaully choose to use it?
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
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Mark Churchill wrote:
If you offered those same people a free upgrade to Vista, how many would take it?
ya.. I'm a lit bit behind. When MS released Windows 98, I liked Windows 95. When they released Windows 2000, Win98 was mine.. then, they released XP but Windows 2000 was so right for me.. now, they released Vista but I'm fall in love with XP.. :)
Thanks and Regards, Michael Sync ( Blog: http://michaelsync.net)
I never liked 95. 98 is where its at baby!
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
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Yes but I opt for one with XP or if thats not an option, the first thing I do is upgrade it to XP when I get it home. I also do this for quite a few of my friends too.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Same thing. I help a lot of people fix their computer problems. So far, none of them want Vista. Any new computer bought is automatically "upgraded" to XP, although I'm a bit disheartened that they still pay for the cost of installing Vista. Microsoft makes money, whether or not people want Vista.
ROFLOLMFAO
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Mark Churchill wrote:
If you offered those same people a free upgrade to Vista, how many would take it?
How many of them do you think would actually pay for their software anyway? lol
Mark Churchill wrote:
without taking into account the benefits
What benifits are their? better security is about the only one I can think of. If you think that is worth compromising frame rate and loading times, then you dont know much about gamers.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
I've got a free (legal) Vista Ultimate DVD and a DVD image somewhere. I didn't even think about using either of them.
ROFLOLMFAO
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I never liked 95. 98 is where its at baby!
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
Just for fun, I tried going on the internet with a fresh installation of Windows 98 (the factory-installed one I backed up about 6 years ago). You wouldn't believe how much malware attacked the browser and OS after visiting a site like newgrounds.com and crunchyroll.com.
ROFLOLMFAO
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Just for fun, I tried going on the internet with a fresh installation of Windows 98 (the factory-installed one I backed up about 6 years ago). You wouldn't believe how much malware attacked the browser and OS after visiting a site like newgrounds.com and crunchyroll.com.
ROFLOLMFAO
Actually i think i could. :rolleyes: And you wonder why schools block these kinds of websites... as well as workplaces. (Of course, if your clever, there's no block that can stop you)
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
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I've got a free (legal) Vista Ultimate DVD and a DVD image somewhere. I didn't even think about using either of them.
ROFLOLMFAO
I got offered a copy of Vista for free through work (fo use until I leave), but after using Vista from the Beta stage to the current stage, I would rather stick with XP
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Dammit, my reply didn't go through and i didn't even realise.. i guess i shall try to remember it... Money? I find that money is usually quite the motivator. People have also been using XP for a long time, they have things the way they like them. Saying that gamers prefer XP is also quite the assumption. The statement may also imply that XP is better for games than Vista, which may or may not be true. All this statistical peice of information is telling us, is that 80% of steams users are on XP. Its actually quite useless for anything else. As another example, you probably think FF is better than IE right? And if not, you probably think that Opera is better than IE? And if not... i guess you like IE. Anyway, the point is, FF may be better than IE, but how many people actaully choose to use it?
My current favourite word is: Bauble!
-SK Genius
SK Genius wrote:
Money? I find that money is usually quite the motivator.
Your talking about a group who are know for spending hundreds of $$'s just to get the latest game to run, or on the latest case to show off. Also, I dont know if you read the stats or not, but the most common graphics card among them was the nVidia 8800... Have you seen the cost on those lately?
SK Genius wrote:
Saying that gamers prefer XP is also quite the assumption
Have you been to any LAN parties lately? Hell have you even talked to many "gamers"? Not the people who play maybe one or two games a month, I mean REAL gamers! If you are near one anytime soon, just take a walk along the rows of computers there. Ask around, and see how many people, even if offered it for free, would install Vista. I would be willing to bet all my possesions that more would rather stick with XP, and I would most likely win!
SK Genius wrote:
80% of steams users are on XP.
True, 80% of over 600,000 gamers are still on XP after a year. Doesnt that alone say something?
SK Genius wrote:
you probably think FF is better than IE right? And if not, you probably think that Opera is better than IE? And if not... i guess you like IE
Care to take any more gueeses? I guess your a male right? If not, you are probably a female? and if not.... LOL sorry, I couldnt resist.. no hard feelings? :-D But yes, I do prefer FF
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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I really shouldnt be supprised.... A survey by Steam (http://www.steampowered.com/status/survey.html[^]) shows that over 80% of people that play on the steam network use a Windows XP machine.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Sure - but gamers are also most likely to put water pipes on the inside of their computer. On purpose. And overclock $600 graphics cards and $1000 CPUs for a single-digit performance gain. And don't even get me started on the internal neon case lighting... Back in my day, we had rectangular beige metal boxes, and we liked it that way. :)
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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its going to be a close race... Who do you think it is that is mainly accepting vista? As that hardware survey from steam shows, most gamers prefer XP, and I saw a thing recently saying that corporate environments are holding off on installing Vista.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Thunderbox666 wrote:
and I saw a thing recently saying that corporate environments are holding off on installing Vista.
As I sit here on my corporate PC with it's Vista sticker on it and XP installed, I can positively state that it is true. As this corporate has 13k PCs it seems fairly significant :-D
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Sure - but gamers are also most likely to put water pipes on the inside of their computer. On purpose. And overclock $600 graphics cards and $1000 CPUs for a single-digit performance gain. And don't even get me started on the internal neon case lighting... Back in my day, we had rectangular beige metal boxes, and we liked it that way. :)
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
Russell Morris wrote:
And overclock $600 graphics cards and $1000 CPUs for a single-digit performance gain
Correction... a single digit performance gain AND the look on the other guys face when you benchmark higher then his $700 graphics card lol
Russell Morris wrote:
And don't even get me started on the internal neon case lighting...
Yeah I never really got into that either.. Looked too much like they were trying to "pimp" their desktop.
Russell Morris wrote:
Back in my day, we had rectangular beige metal boxes
... Then they invented computers ;P
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Thunderbox666 wrote:
and I saw a thing recently saying that corporate environments are holding off on installing Vista.
As I sit here on my corporate PC with it's Vista sticker on it and XP installed, I can positively state that it is true. As this corporate has 13k PCs it seems fairly significant :-D
WOW Just out of curiosity, do you know why they stuck with XP?
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Sure - but gamers are also most likely to put water pipes on the inside of their computer. On purpose. And overclock $600 graphics cards and $1000 CPUs for a single-digit performance gain. And don't even get me started on the internal neon case lighting... Back in my day, we had rectangular beige metal boxes, and we liked it that way. :)
-- Russell Morris Morbo: "WINDMILLS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!"
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Thunderbox666 wrote:
and I saw a thing recently saying that corporate environments are holding off on installing Vista.
As I sit here on my corporate PC with it's Vista sticker on it and XP installed, I can positively state that it is true. As this corporate has 13k PCs it seems fairly significant :-D
In my department I will not put vista on any machine except for a few VMs for testing purposes until at least 2009. The biggest reason besides the slowness is that I know my users will hate the user interface changes just as they did when I tried to install office 2007 and everyone asked me to go beck to the old version.
John
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WOW Just out of curiosity, do you know why they stuck with XP?
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Straight out cost of change. I work in a bank and the environment is "hardened" so no one has admin rights and various other restrictions. These need to be tested and implemented and any other vulnerabilities identified - a HUGE job that is ongoing. Then there is the cost of training the support staff, the disruption while 1000s of users come to grips with a new OS. We recently went to 64 bit SQL Server and just getting all the driver and support SW for 64 bit was a nightmare and that was on servers, the mind boggles how they are going to get the desktops validated. :rolleyes:
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I still have a rectangular beige metal box...it just gets a little bigger with every generation :)
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SK Genius wrote:
Money? I find that money is usually quite the motivator.
Your talking about a group who are know for spending hundreds of $$'s just to get the latest game to run, or on the latest case to show off. Also, I dont know if you read the stats or not, but the most common graphics card among them was the nVidia 8800... Have you seen the cost on those lately?
SK Genius wrote:
Saying that gamers prefer XP is also quite the assumption
Have you been to any LAN parties lately? Hell have you even talked to many "gamers"? Not the people who play maybe one or two games a month, I mean REAL gamers! If you are near one anytime soon, just take a walk along the rows of computers there. Ask around, and see how many people, even if offered it for free, would install Vista. I would be willing to bet all my possesions that more would rather stick with XP, and I would most likely win!
SK Genius wrote:
80% of steams users are on XP.
True, 80% of over 600,000 gamers are still on XP after a year. Doesnt that alone say something?
SK Genius wrote:
you probably think FF is better than IE right? And if not, you probably think that Opera is better than IE? And if not... i guess you like IE
Care to take any more gueeses? I guess your a male right? If not, you are probably a female? and if not.... LOL sorry, I couldnt resist.. no hard feelings? :-D But yes, I do prefer FF
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Couldn't agree more. For decades, adult entertainment has been the driving factor behind internet bandwidth growth and gaming has been the driving factor behind hardware acceleration. Just look at the games themselves (especially FPS). When a new game comes out, its minimum requirements are most often for a graphics card that is less than 6 months old, a CPU less than 12 months old & a memory interface less than 2 years old. If you want to turn on all the bells & whistles, you're going to need hardware that often still hasn't been released to the retail channel yet! To make the most out of the demanding gaming market, new games always have to bring something new & visually exciting, so each new game is more resource intensive than the last. Run a resource hungry game on an OS that is already resource hungry (Vista) & you don't get the most out of the game. Run the same game on a leaner OS (Xp) & you get more of a WOW factor. Back in the day, the keenest gamers absolutely loved it when ID ported Quake II to OpenGL under Linux - frame rates like you wouldn't believe (at the time). Don't know if that sort of thing happens these days, I'm not in that scene so much anymore...
T-Mac-Oz
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its going to be a close race... Who do you think it is that is mainly accepting vista? As that hardware survey from steam shows, most gamers prefer XP, and I saw a thing recently saying that corporate environments are holding off on installing Vista.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Thunderbox666 wrote:
Who do you think it is that is mainly accepting vista?
I am. I am also a serious gamer and play games on Vista. I also play console games, but this is irrelevant. I had slight problems with a couple of _older_ titles on Vista, but nothing that couldn't be solved by trying out different compatibility settings. New games (those marked by 'Games for Windows' tag) run well on Vista without any problems at all.
Kind regards, Pawel Krakowiak Miraculum Software[^]