Way to go Microsoft! Finally!
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Excellent! This is great news! Though to be honest I've never had to resort to this tactic. But it warms my heart to hear the MS is doing something right :)
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
MS is doing something right
or rather starting to do something right. On every front, they are incorporating stringent quality measures nowadays.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
MS is doing something right
or rather starting to do something right. On every front, they are incorporating stringent quality measures nowadays.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonGood. Its a shame really that MS would let somethings slip. For all the hate talk they are one of the major driving forces of the industry.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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For years now, I have been debugging web applications by also "attaching" to the current running instance of IIS. I had to do this because I use multiple websites on the machine that are all named in my hosts file such as: 127.0.0.1 myTestSite etc.. Well, for years now, VS considered this as remote debugging and caused me headache after headache. I had a script that automatically attached the process, but it was not a easy as just hitting F5. I have had 2008 RTM installed for a while and have been "attaching" to do my debugs until today when I happen to hit F5 instead of going through "attach" and what do you know, they fixed it! Works great now! Guess I should stop writing for a moment.. Getting all emotional :)
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I've always managed to configure that with asp.net. Asp was harder, but I took the time for about half the development systems I used back then.
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For years now, I have been debugging web applications by also "attaching" to the current running instance of IIS. I had to do this because I use multiple websites on the machine that are all named in my hosts file such as: 127.0.0.1 myTestSite etc.. Well, for years now, VS considered this as remote debugging and caused me headache after headache. I had a script that automatically attached the process, but it was not a easy as just hitting F5. I have had 2008 RTM installed for a while and have been "attaching" to do my debugs until today when I happen to hit F5 instead of going through "attach" and what do you know, they fixed it! Works great now! Guess I should stop writing for a moment.. Getting all emotional :)
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I've done what you're describing in VS2005 for years. :~
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For years now, I have been debugging web applications by also "attaching" to the current running instance of IIS. I had to do this because I use multiple websites on the machine that are all named in my hosts file such as: 127.0.0.1 myTestSite etc.. Well, for years now, VS considered this as remote debugging and caused me headache after headache. I had a script that automatically attached the process, but it was not a easy as just hitting F5. I have had 2008 RTM installed for a while and have been "attaching" to do my debugs until today when I happen to hit F5 instead of going through "attach" and what do you know, they fixed it! Works great now! Guess I should stop writing for a moment.. Getting all emotional :)
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Silverlight goes Beta 2.0 Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Actually I've debugged ASP.NET applications on my running IIS server with no problems for.. Well.. a long time aready.. With no problems at all.. Just go to website project property pages, and in start options choose "Use custom server" entering your website's url (http://localhost in my case). Voilla! Oh, and in IIS website security properties enable windows authorisation. Have a nice day ;)
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Actually I've debugged ASP.NET applications on my running IIS server with no problems for.. Well.. a long time aready.. With no problems at all.. Just go to website project property pages, and in start options choose "Use custom server" entering your website's url (http://localhost in my case). Voilla! Oh, and in IIS website security properties enable windows authorisation. Have a nice day ;)
Localhost always works as it considers it "local", but with the host naming, it thought the system was remote even though the IP is local. Debugging was not the issue, only when combined with host names from a host file to allow unlimited websites on the same local box.
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Silverlight goes Beta 2.0 Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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For years now, I have been debugging web applications by also "attaching" to the current running instance of IIS. I had to do this because I use multiple websites on the machine that are all named in my hosts file such as: 127.0.0.1 myTestSite etc.. Well, for years now, VS considered this as remote debugging and caused me headache after headache. I had a script that automatically attached the process, but it was not a easy as just hitting F5. I have had 2008 RTM installed for a while and have been "attaching" to do my debugs until today when I happen to hit F5 instead of going through "attach" and what do you know, they fixed it! Works great now! Guess I should stop writing for a moment.. Getting all emotional :)
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Silverlight goes Beta 2.0 Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't people simply use the built in WebServer that comes with Visual Studio 2005/2008?
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Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't people simply use the built in WebServer that comes with Visual Studio 2005/2008?
Dominic Pettifer Blog: www.dominicpettifer.co.uk
Dominic Pettifer wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't people simply use the built in WebServer that comes with Visual Studio 2005/2008?
In my case, we develop lots and lots of websites that all need to be connected to a particular URL in production, due to the custom framework that we have in place. That custom framework doesn't know how to handle http://servername:38493 or whatever VS comes up with. I know you can specify the port, but that wouldn't make a difference in my environment. We use custom host names and our own hosts file as well. Now, to somehow make F5 work while developing DNN modules...
Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert My left name is Tremendous Savings, Ms. America – Señor Cardgage
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For years now, I have been debugging web applications by also "attaching" to the current running instance of IIS. I had to do this because I use multiple websites on the machine that are all named in my hosts file such as: 127.0.0.1 myTestSite etc.. Well, for years now, VS considered this as remote debugging and caused me headache after headache. I had a script that automatically attached the process, but it was not a easy as just hitting F5. I have had 2008 RTM installed for a while and have been "attaching" to do my debugs until today when I happen to hit F5 instead of going through "attach" and what do you know, they fixed it! Works great now! Guess I should stop writing for a moment.. Getting all emotional :)
Rocky <>< Blog Post: Silverlight goes Beta 2.0 Tech Blog Post: Cheap Biofuels and Synthetics coming soon?
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Dominic Pettifer wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but why don't people simply use the built in WebServer that comes with Visual Studio 2005/2008?
In my case, we develop lots and lots of websites that all need to be connected to a particular URL in production, due to the custom framework that we have in place. That custom framework doesn't know how to handle http://servername:38493 or whatever VS comes up with. I know you can specify the port, but that wouldn't make a difference in my environment. We use custom host names and our own hosts file as well. Now, to somehow make F5 work while developing DNN modules...
Success is the happy feeling you get between the time you do something and the time you tell a woman what you did. --Dibert My left name is Tremendous Savings, Ms. America – Señor Cardgage
senylity wrote:
Now, to somehow make F5 work while developing DNN modules...
Here is the method I've found that works great for DNN modules... 1. Install DNN 2. Create a blank solution in VS2005/VS2008. 3. Move the blank solution to the root of your DNN installation folder 4. Open your blank solution, add new project in the /desktop modules/ folder. 5. configure new project to compile to the ../../bin directory 6. configure project to run IIS to your DNN root directory (note: in VS2008, you have to allow VS to create your IIS directory then open IIS and remove the /desktop modules/{projectname}/ directory from the home folder.) now when you hit F5, the only thing compiled is your actual project DLL, no compiling of the DNN source over and over :)
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Good. Its a shame really that MS would let somethings slip. For all the hate talk they are one of the major driving forces of the industry.
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
To your quote from Rick Cook: "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Look at the bright side. Its job security for us!
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To your quote from Rick Cook: "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." Look at the bright side. Its job security for us!
Well, that might be true, but on the other hand we have other expenses that sky rocket. Vacations (both paid and unpaid), medical bills, recreational drugs, rehabilitation, alcohol, alcoholics anonymous, rehab again, hair transplants, settlement fees (after getting fed up and mauling the customer/developer/QA/[insert here the @$$hole of choice]. So, you see James, though it does provide job security, it just goes to show that nearly everything is a double edged sword ;p
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
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Well, that might be true, but on the other hand we have other expenses that sky rocket. Vacations (both paid and unpaid), medical bills, recreational drugs, rehabilitation, alcohol, alcoholics anonymous, rehab again, hair transplants, settlement fees (after getting fed up and mauling the customer/developer/QA/[insert here the @$$hole of choice]. So, you see James, though it does provide job security, it just goes to show that nearly everything is a double edged sword ;p
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"
Thank you for your response, Mustafa. (I assume that you're an engineer or software developer of some sort. Hopefully, you are making a living from your endeavor.) Most companies try to pay well for your services and some do not. It depends on what the market will bear and demand for your services. As it seems now that there is declining enrollment in engineering schools across the US. (Although, other parts of the world are seeing increasing enrollment in their engineering schools.) With the H-1 visas shrinking, the number of foreign engineers coming to the US to work will be declining. If US companies want to fill their (software) engineering jobs within this country, they will be harder pressed and will resort to paying higher wages (as done in the 80s and 90s). On the other hand, they can resort to offshore development. If this is the case, they can either use an outsourcing software company or open a plant in a place where "less expensive" software engineers live. Small to medium sized companies do not have this luxury. And, there is a high risk of paying an offshore company to do the development. (Usually, smaller companies do not have the clout that large companies have and usually do not get the best engineers for their projects.) Therefore, if there will be fewer software developers in a particular market, the companies have a choice, hire at a premium price or go offshore. By the way, I have heard that in India, software developer fees are on the rise. Also, I second your second quote by Ali ibn Abi Talib: "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance."
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Thank you for your response, Mustafa. (I assume that you're an engineer or software developer of some sort. Hopefully, you are making a living from your endeavor.) Most companies try to pay well for your services and some do not. It depends on what the market will bear and demand for your services. As it seems now that there is declining enrollment in engineering schools across the US. (Although, other parts of the world are seeing increasing enrollment in their engineering schools.) With the H-1 visas shrinking, the number of foreign engineers coming to the US to work will be declining. If US companies want to fill their (software) engineering jobs within this country, they will be harder pressed and will resort to paying higher wages (as done in the 80s and 90s). On the other hand, they can resort to offshore development. If this is the case, they can either use an outsourcing software company or open a plant in a place where "less expensive" software engineers live. Small to medium sized companies do not have this luxury. And, there is a high risk of paying an offshore company to do the development. (Usually, smaller companies do not have the clout that large companies have and usually do not get the best engineers for their projects.) Therefore, if there will be fewer software developers in a particular market, the companies have a choice, hire at a premium price or go offshore. By the way, I have heard that in India, software developer fees are on the rise. Also, I second your second quote by Ali ibn Abi Talib: "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance."
Well, demand and supply always play a role with the developer's/engineer's pay.
James Lonero wrote:
With the H-1 visas shrinking, the number of foreign engineers coming to the US to work will be declining.
Really? Word down the grapevine said that there will be an increase in H-1 visas! :confused: Can you provide a citation? And hey, good talking to ya! :D
"Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." - Rick Cook "There is no wealth like knowledge, no poverty like ignorance." Ali ibn Abi Talib "Animadvertistine, ubicumque stes, fumum recta in faciem ferri?"