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is there an English version? :(
If you can read, you can learn
Yes. You can select it on the top-right part of the page.
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Yes. You can select it on the top-right part of the page.
Oh duh, I missed that one. Anyway, that's some heavy duty industrial equipment. If they want you to do something illegal, DON'T. It's your butt that will be in trouble in the end if something goes wrong.
If you can read, you can learn
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I have no idea what you are on about (and I visited your website and it looks like you are making some sort of Fabrication machinery).
Joan Murt wrote:
asking me why we are not making something that's illegal
Someone is asking you why you're not making something illegal?... isn't the answer obvious? That, profesionally, its better staying within the limits of the law?
Joan Murt wrote:
ell, today one of them has suffered a scare and they have come together to tell me that it was my fault and that we (the IT dept.) must take some consideration on that, that we must do it the way they want.
They (ie the owners oof your company) want something illegal made? Surely its on their own back and not yours? Personally, after giving my opinion, if they still wanted me to do something then to some extent i'd do it - they are after all paying my wages! The caveat here is that you have a duty of care, so if somebody can get injured/killed by these "illegal" machines then you should not make them. No wage packet is worth going to prison for! What law do you think they are breaking for making this machine in what you see is an illegal way? It strikes me that Criminal law usually does not cover manufacturing processes. I think you may just be talking about making things in a shoddy way (not using shatter-proof materials for safety screens for example). This would probably not be criminal, but may well end up in a whole lot of law suites against your company - in which case it's their funeral not yours.
J4amieC wrote:
What law do you think they are breaking for making this machine in what you see is an illegal way? It strikes me that Criminal law usually does not cover manufacturing processes. I think you may just be talking about making things in a shoddy way (not using shatter-proof materials for safety screens for example). This would probably not be criminal, but may well end up in a whole lot of law suites against your company - in which case it's their funeral not yours.
As a machine maker I must certify that I make machines with the CE mark, there are some other things to be followed by a machien manufacturer. If you don't follow that standard, you are breaking the law and if somebody get's injured by one of your machines you can go to jail...
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Don't do it. If you do and someone gets heart, even if it has nothing to do with the illeagal part, a lawer will find some way to sue You. Garinteed your bosses will not stand up for You WHEN this happens.
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Easy - they need to sign a waiver accepting all legal liabilities and absolving you of any.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Easy - they need to sign a waiver accepting all legal liabilities and absolving you of any.
AFAIK you can't waive that. Having someone hire you to do something illegal just means they're as culpable as you are; you both go to jail, waiver or not. Cheers, Drew.
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Trollslayer wrote:
Easy - they need to sign a waiver accepting all legal liabilities and absolving you of any.
AFAIK you can't waive that. Having someone hire you to do something illegal just means they're as culpable as you are; you both go to jail, waiver or not. Cheers, Drew.
That's not the point - it means they admit in writing they are aware it is illegal and then Joan can show it to managment or anyone else in a review or they can back off :cool: Devious? Moi? *Elaine gives it her best cute fluffy helpless look*
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That's not the point - it means they admit in writing they are aware it is illegal and then Joan can show it to managment or anyone else in a review or they can back off :cool: Devious? Moi? *Elaine gives it her best cute fluffy helpless look*
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Trollslayer wrote:
That's not the point - it means they admit in writing they are aware it is illegal and then Joan can show it to managment or anyone else in a review or they can back off Devious? Moi? *Elaine gives it her best cute fluffy helpless look*
Ahh, gotcha! Tricky, tricky :cool: Cheers, Drew.
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IF you have one, now would probably be the right time to send an anonymous tip to your company ethics hot line/corporate lawyer. Assuming the rot doesn't go all the way to the top alerting senior management is probably the only good fallback option. IF the people at the top are tainted as well though it's time to dust off your resume. X|
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That's not the point - it means they admit in writing they are aware it is illegal and then Joan can show it to managment or anyone else in a review or they can back off :cool: Devious? Moi? *Elaine gives it her best cute fluffy helpless look*
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