9 out of 10 Americans agree...
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If 9 out of 10 Americans thought we should nuke Afghanistan, would it make it right? Sometimes "mob rule" is not for the best.
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
Good point.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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"...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. "Tell me about the god you don't believe in, and I probably wouldn't believe in him either." - Unknown
Isn't this some kind of religious fanaticism also? I mean, a logical analysis of the problem must be that "under God" is indeed pushing the view that you're only American if you're submitting to christianity (Jesus and that stuff). Couldn't it just be that 9 out of 10 USians are to lazy to even care? I guess it's the latter. That, and conservatism and "afraid of the dark" (i.e. "what if we removed it" and "what, I also have to learn something new now?!").
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"...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. "Tell me about the god you don't believe in, and I probably wouldn't believe in him either." - Unknown
kevnar wrote: 9 out of 10 Americans agree... Isn't the figure something like 3 out of 10 Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens, and 8 out fo 10 Americans believe Jerry Springer's show is real? People are stupid, it is the minority that actually have a clue - in all cases. If you listen to the majority then without exception you will have one hell of a mess at the end of it. The rule that says "the majority will decide" should be replaced by "the majority with a clue will decide". Everyone is in everything for themselves - don't kid yourself otherwise. Every good intention reaps a benefit to the individual. Note this has nothing to do you the POA at all - my stand on thatis that the whole damned thing should be done away with and replaced with Best Friends Forever by the Tweenies. No I am *not* joking. If you are going to brainwash a society, you might as well do so with something that will help make their lives' better. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
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If 9 out of 10 Americans thought we should nuke Afghanistan, would it make it right? Sometimes "mob rule" is not for the best.
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
So if 1 out of 10 Americans thinks they should bomb Afghanistan, that is ok? Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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kevnar wrote: 9 out of 10 Americans agree... Isn't the figure something like 3 out of 10 Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens, and 8 out fo 10 Americans believe Jerry Springer's show is real? People are stupid, it is the minority that actually have a clue - in all cases. If you listen to the majority then without exception you will have one hell of a mess at the end of it. The rule that says "the majority will decide" should be replaced by "the majority with a clue will decide". Everyone is in everything for themselves - don't kid yourself otherwise. Every good intention reaps a benefit to the individual. Note this has nothing to do you the POA at all - my stand on thatis that the whole damned thing should be done away with and replaced with Best Friends Forever by the Tweenies. No I am *not* joking. If you are going to brainwash a society, you might as well do so with something that will help make their lives' better. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
David Wulff wrote: People are stupid, it is the minority that actually have a clue - in all cases. Sadly, you're right :( Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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David Wulff wrote: People are stupid, it is the minority that actually have a clue - in all cases. Sadly, you're right :( Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Tom Archer wrote: Sadly, you're right :( What, you've only just realised? I am always right. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
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Tom Archer wrote: Sadly, you're right :( What, you've only just realised? I am always right. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
I'm slow, but I eventually get there :) Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
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So if 1 out of 10 Americans thinks they should bomb Afghanistan, that is ok? Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Better point. "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
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kevnar wrote: 9 out of 10 Americans agree... Isn't the figure something like 3 out of 10 Americans believe they have been abducted by aliens, and 8 out fo 10 Americans believe Jerry Springer's show is real? People are stupid, it is the minority that actually have a clue - in all cases. If you listen to the majority then without exception you will have one hell of a mess at the end of it. The rule that says "the majority will decide" should be replaced by "the majority with a clue will decide". Everyone is in everything for themselves - don't kid yourself otherwise. Every good intention reaps a benefit to the individual. Note this has nothing to do you the POA at all - my stand on thatis that the whole damned thing should be done away with and replaced with Best Friends Forever by the Tweenies. No I am *not* joking. If you are going to brainwash a society, you might as well do so with something that will help make their lives' better. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
David Wulff wrote: Note this has nothing to do you the POA at all - my stand on thatis that the whole damned thing should be done away with and replaced with Best Friends Forever by the Tweenies. No I am *not* joking. If you are going to brainwash a society, you might as well do so with something that will help make their lives' better. Horray, I thought that I was the only twenty-something year old that watched the Tweenies. :D Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024 In these plagued streets of pity, you can buy anything - for $200, anyone can conceive a god on video
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"...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. "Tell me about the god you don't believe in, and I probably wouldn't believe in him either." - Unknown
9 out of 10 people are sheep. Border Collies have the best job security in the world. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
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9 out of 10 people are sheep. Border Collies have the best job security in the world. Chistopher Duncan Author - The Career Programmer: Guerilla Tactics for an Imperfect World (Apress)
Christopher Duncan wrote: Border Collies have the best job security in the world. I had a Border Collie once. Best supervisor I ever worked for... I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
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"...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. "Tell me about the god you don't believe in, and I probably wouldn't believe in him either." - Unknown
kevnar wrote: 9 out of 10 Americans agree..."...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. A nationwide recognition that the country was formed on the basis of Judeo-Christian principles(having historical roots in both Judaism and Christianity). The poll means that 9 out of 10 polled are proud to publically acknowledge that fact. kevnar wrote: But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. Quite the contrary, it is obvious they are not getting their way. This was a decision by an activist judge, the decision has already been stayed and will obviously be over turned. The judge is attempting to make law, not intrepret current law. Creating law is not a function of a judge in the United States. kevnar wrote: It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. Always the case, especially in our form of government. It is left to fools like this judge and disasters like 9-11 to wake the American public. In good times we tend to ignore entirely too much of what goes on around us, leaving governance and leadership to the average or the more vocal. Mike
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Tom Archer wrote: Sadly, you're right :( What, you've only just realised? I am always right. ____________________ David Wulff "My opinion is worth more than yours." - Everyone.
David Wulff wrote: I am always right. You are.. shit. I only found that out now.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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"...under God..." should remain in the Pledge of Allegiance. But that doesn't stop the minority from getting their own way. It's not the majority who rule, it's those most politcally active. "Tell me about the god you don't believe in, and I probably wouldn't believe in him either." - Unknown
OK. I'm not a US citizen. But I don't see why people who don't believe in God should have to say the words "...under God... " in a pledge. Please don't bite my head off for this. There are probably things here that I'm not fully ofay with.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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So if 1 out of 10 Americans thinks they should bomb Afghanistan, that is ok? Cheers, Tom Archer Author - Inside C#, Visual C++.NET Bible
Tom Archer wrote: So if 1 out of 10 Americans thinks they should bomb Afghanistan, that is ok? Not at all, my point was that the best decision needs to be made not necassarily the most popular one.
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
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OK. I'm not a US citizen. But I don't see why people who don't believe in God should have to say the words "...under God... " in a pledge. Please don't bite my head off for this. There are probably things here that I'm not fully ofay with.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
They don't have to say anything at all! The court ruling says we're not allowed to say it!!! I wish I had the court's email address; I'd send them a copy of the Constitution, as none of them appear to have read it. I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
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OK. I'm not a US citizen. But I don't see why people who don't believe in God should have to say the words "...under God... " in a pledge. Please don't bite my head off for this. There are probably things here that I'm not fully ofay with.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
Brian Delahunty wrote: But I don't see why people who don't believe in God should have to say the words "...under God... " in a pledge. I've asked this very question in a few of the recent past threads on the subject and haven't gotten an honest answer yet. If it ["under God"]was added in the 50's for political reasons and isn't representative of all Americans why is everybody whining over it? It certainly doesn't stop anybody from praying or practicing their religion. Sheesh!!
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
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They don't have to say anything at all! The court ruling says we're not allowed to say it!!! I wish I had the court's email address; I'd send them a copy of the Constitution, as none of them appear to have read it. I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
I also don't get why the words "under God" mean so much to people... Is it more tradition then religious?? [I don't really understand the whole thing]
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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They don't have to say anything at all! The court ruling says we're not allowed to say it!!! I wish I had the court's email address; I'd send them a copy of the Constitution, as none of them appear to have read it. I Drowned Schroedinger's Stupid Cat!
I'm curious, why is it so important for anyone to say "under God" when refering to the US??? If school children are expected to recite the POA, why is it important to anybody that it include a reference to God??
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
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Brian Delahunty wrote: But I don't see why people who don't believe in God should have to say the words "...under God... " in a pledge. I've asked this very question in a few of the recent past threads on the subject and haven't gotten an honest answer yet. If it ["under God"]was added in the 50's for political reasons and isn't representative of all Americans why is everybody whining over it? It certainly doesn't stop anybody from praying or practicing their religion. Sheesh!!
Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard
Mike Mullikin wrote: isn't representative of all Americans why is everybody whining over it? Yep. It don't make much sense to me. But I'm from little 'oul Ireland, so I don't know all that much about US affairs.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9