Gay scientists isolate 'Christian Gene'
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You are just being plain weird.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
"He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it." And you are just a *fool* who refuses to see the truth. Not even an ignorant twirp like you could think (if you are capable of that) that Jesus does not exist (as many of you *claim* to believe), because then you could not exist because Jesus is the creator of everything. It does not take a genius like me to see that. Isn't it funny how easy it is for me to turn your own words against you?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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"He's just such a dick-head. It's amusing, because I know how much he dislikes it." And you are just a *fool* who refuses to see the truth. Not even an ignorant twirp like you could think (if you are capable of that) that Jesus does not exist (as many of you *claim* to believe), because then you could not exist because Jesus is the creator of everything. It does not take a genius like me to see that. Isn't it funny how easy it is for me to turn your own words against you?
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
:laugh: That's brilliant! I don't think he liked the poems I wrote for him... :(
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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John Carson wrote:
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam.
No, modern scular humanism is an example of civilization coming full circle. Government is about control, those who control it control civilization and are empowered to define the rules and standards of conduct which define a civilization. Separation of church and state created an impediment to those who wish to control civilization and bend it to their own will. Humanism represents an end run around that impediment. It is free to use the state to promote its agenda by simply disassociating itself from the traditional definitions of religion while essentially trying to achieve precisely the same goals.
John Carson wrote:
Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society. They are a way of creating a conflict within a society between people and traditional moral standards. That weakens the hold those traditions have upon a people and allows the competition to deprive it of any sort of social power. But any conflict will do, they just happen to be the most convenient because of humanity's inherent appitite for sex. Redfining liberty as being somehow about sexuality and you have a very powerful tool for the manipulation of public attitudes.
John Carson wrote:
or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy,
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes. You might as well say we fought WWII in order to fulfill biblical prop
I think you have a paranoia about secularists that is immune to reason. You seem to have trouble distinguishing liberty from oppression.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes.
You don't seem to keep up with many of the developments on the religious right. Much of the support for Israel on the religious right is because of a belief that the restoration of Jewish control of Palestine is a necessary precondition for the second coming. Historically, Christians have been hostile to the Jews. The love affair they currently have is for reasons of prophesy. http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10336.htm[^]
The Christian right is also solidly behind Israel. White evangelicals are significantly more pro-Israeli than Americans in general; more than half of them say they strongly sympathise with Israel. (A third of the Americans who claim sympathy with Israel say that this stems from their religious beliefs.) Two in five Americans believe that Israel was given to the Jewish people by God, and one in three say that the creation of the state of Israel was a step towards the Second Coming.
http://sparkfactory.com.au/nfn/?page_id=103[^]
John Carson
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:laugh: That's brilliant! I don't think he liked the poems I wrote for him... :(
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think he liked the poems I wrote for him...
I bet he does like them as they feed his huge self-importance complex.
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
I don't think he liked the poems I wrote for him...
I bet he does like them as they feed his huge self-importance complex.
Happy birthday baby Jesus! Please don't burn us all in hell forever.
Yeah, he's probably secretly printed them out and stuck them on his wall, and every night from now on he dims the lights, plays some favourite romantic music and pleasures himself over them and the large picture of himself[^] he has stuck next to them. Ah well, there are plenty more opportunities to confess my undying love for him. :)
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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BoneSoft wrote:
Exactly. I honestly have no idea why he keeps blathering about science not being about truth, when he's the only one that's tried to point out a correlation between the two.
I keep "blathering" because you people don't really believe (nor probably even really understand) what you youselves are saying. Look at yourselves! Look at your reactions to the straigh-forward (and true) statement that "Science isn't about truth."
We all know it's not about truth, nobody has claimed that it is. It's the never ending pursuit of understanding. Nobody will ever know the truth about anything (Heisenberg). Only a fool would try to discount science on those grounds. And only a fool would continually assume that our view of science is as simplistic and rudimentary as yours.
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Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
Truer words were never spoken. I suspect his reply would be something along the lines of "You don't see how stupid you are", however. Blah. What a waste of space.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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Ilíon wrote:
If you kiddies would ever take a moment to think two steps ahead, you wouldn't constantly find yourselves in predicaments like this.
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"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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We all know it's not about truth, nobody has claimed that it is. It's the never ending pursuit of understanding. Nobody will ever know the truth about anything (Heisenberg). Only a fool would try to discount science on those grounds. And only a fool would continually assume that our view of science is as simplistic and rudimentary as yours.
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BoneSoft wrote:
We all know it's not about truth, nobody has claimed that it is. It's the never ending pursuit of understanding. Nobody will ever know the truth about anything (Heisenberg). Only a fool would try to discount science on those grounds. And only a fool would continually assume that our view of science is as simplistic and rudimentary as yours.
What a fool you continuously insist upon acting! "We all know it's not about truth, nobody has claimed that it is." You acknowledge that 'science' isn't about truth -- while falsely claiming that "we all know" this and that no one has claimed otherwise. You all continuously claim otherwise ... even as you deny you are doing so. You (singular and plural) have your panties in a twist precisely because I am "insulting" ( :rolleyes: ) this "science" thingie. THEN: "It's the never ending pursuit of understanding." Then you demonstrate your inability to even think ratinally. Apparently, for you scientistes "understanding" is a wholly meaningless term. Apparently, you scientistes imagine that one can have "understanding" without actually having knowledge. THEN: "Nobody will ever know the truth about anything (Heisenberg)." Then, using a very faulty "argument-by-authority," you make a self-refuting assertion. The very claim is a truth-and-knowledge-claim. It happens to be false, but it is, nonetheless, the claim to know some truth -- in fact, and even more damning, it is the claim to know a universal truth. What absolute *fools* humans make of themselves when they refuse to reason! "Only a fool would try to discount science on those grounds." Only a fool would imagine that *your* "science" even matters at all -- "understanding" without knowledge. Of what use is that to anyone? This "science" thingie sounds just like something 13-year-olds arguing about different versions of the "Superman universe" might care about; certainly like nothing an adult would care about. But then, I do frequenly say that "Science is a toy for little boys." LASTLY: "And only a fool would continually assume that our view of science is as simplistic and rudimentary as yours." You (singular and plural) continuously demonstrate that your view of "science" is one that only a fool could entertain.
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John Carson wrote:
The parallel is that it is basically the same movement at different stages. Over several centuries, Western secularists have de-fanged Christianity, so that it is now relatively harmless. That task has yet to be accomplished for Islam.
No, modern scular humanism is an example of civilization coming full circle. Government is about control, those who control it control civilization and are empowered to define the rules and standards of conduct which define a civilization. Separation of church and state created an impediment to those who wish to control civilization and bend it to their own will. Humanism represents an end run around that impediment. It is free to use the state to promote its agenda by simply disassociating itself from the traditional definitions of religion while essentially trying to achieve precisely the same goals.
John Carson wrote:
Nevertheless, if one is living in the United States and cares about abortion rights or gay rights (I know you don't) or about the provision of effective sex education as a means of combating teenage pregnancies and the spread of AIDS
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society. They are a way of creating a conflict within a society between people and traditional moral standards. That weakens the hold those traditions have upon a people and allows the competition to deprive it of any sort of social power. But any conflict will do, they just happen to be the most convenient because of humanity's inherent appitite for sex. Redfining liberty as being somehow about sexuality and you have a very powerful tool for the manipulation of public attitudes.
John Carson wrote:
or about a Middle East policy not dominated by concern for the fulfillment of Biblical prophesy,
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes. You might as well say we fought WWII in order to fulfill biblical prop
Stan Shannon wrote:
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society.
Certainly, the secularists don't care about "gay rights" (whatever that vacuuous phrase means at any particular usage of it), except as one tool in their attempts to demolish traditional society. More importantly, secularists do not respect "gays" as persons. Just look at how quickly they *always* play the "faggot card" when opposed by someone who may be (or whom they think they can portray as being) "gay" or as in some way associated with "gays."
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
Truer words were never spoken. I suspect his reply would be something along the lines of "You don't see how stupid you are", however. Blah. What a waste of space.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
Patrick Sears wrote:
Truer words were never spoken.
And you can't even see what you've just done.
Patrick Sears wrote:
I suspect his reply would be something along the lines of "You don't see how stupid you are", however.
You think this only because you, yourself, are so described. My response to Stan will be that he isn't thinking deeply enough about what he's saying. That is quite a different thing from calling someone stupid. You people are simply amazing! You (singular and collective) want to call me stupid -- the only proof needed being that I disagree with your silly ideas. And then you want to bitch if I return the favor (though, with evidence). Is that what you're bitching about? That I don't merely *call* you stupid, but rather help you demonstrate it?
Patrick Sears wrote:
Blah. What a waste of space.
Is that like being a "waste of protoplasm?"
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Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth? What good are these "questions?" What in the hell use are they? What can we do with them? We can't even put them on a shelf to admire them, as they are literally immaterial. ;P
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Phhh....like you could.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society.
Certainly, the secularists don't care about "gay rights" (whatever that vacuuous phrase means at any particular usage of it), except as one tool in their attempts to demolish traditional society. More importantly, secularists do not respect "gays" as persons. Just look at how quickly they *always* play the "faggot card" when opposed by someone who may be (or whom they think they can portray as being) "gay" or as in some way associated with "gays."
Ilíon wrote:
Certainly, the secularists don't care about "gay rights" (whatever that vacuuous phrase means at any particular usage of it), except as one tool in their attempts to demolish traditional society.
I wonder what you think motivates this desire to "demolish traditional society". If not a concern for gay rights and other standard items on the liberal agenda, what then?
Ilíon wrote:
More importantly, secularists do not respect "gays" as persons. Just look at how quickly they *always* play the "faggot card" when opposed by someone who may be (or whom they think they can portray as being) "gay" or as in some way associated with "gays."
Name me one out of the closet gay person of whom that has been true.
John Carson
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I don't think either side really cares about them. I think they merely represent weak points that can be exploited to gain control of society.
Certainly, the secularists don't care about "gay rights" (whatever that vacuuous phrase means at any particular usage of it), except as one tool in their attempts to demolish traditional society. More importantly, secularists do not respect "gays" as persons. Just look at how quickly they *always* play the "faggot card" when opposed by someone who may be (or whom they think they can portray as being) "gay" or as in some way associated with "gays."
Ilíon, do you actually have friends?
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth? What good are these "questions?" What in the hell use are they? What can we do with them? We can't even put them on a shelf to admire them, as they are literally immaterial. ;P
Are you stealing someone else's thoughts again? Basically you repeated the post, only you made it a lot crappier by it having 'Ilíon' next to it.
"We were backstage, playing Monopoly. Totally forgot there was a show, so sorry we are late." - Maynard James Keenan
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Knowing truth would mean the end of human discovery. No more question, no more exploration. Having questions is a good thing for a human mind. Having truth is rather meaningless. What the hell would we do with truth? Put it on a shelf and admire it?
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth? What good are these "questions?" What in the hell use are they? What can we do with them? We can't even put them on a shelf to admire them, as they are literally immaterial. ;P
Ilíon wrote:
What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth?
Because it gives us something interesting to do. Have you ever solved a Rubics cube? The fun part is the solving - not the little cube with the sides all the same color. I could have just gone to the store and bought one that looked like that.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
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Ilíon wrote:
What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth?
Because it gives us something interesting to do. Have you ever solved a Rubics cube? The fun part is the solving - not the little cube with the sides all the same color. I could have just gone to the store and bought one that looked like that.
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out about it, its probably a done deal. Nothing in the entire universe is more useless than morality without authority. A morality free of hypocrisy is no morality at all. Freedom is not something you express with your genitals, it is something you express with your mind.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Because it gives us something interesting to do.
Stan, I understood, from the start, that this where you must end up. Why do you think I kept questioning you?
Stan Shannon wrote:
The fun part is the solving ...
In the context of "question" or "discovery," what is "solving?" It is, of course, "getting truth." So, once again: What good or use is "discovery" it it never gives us truth? Seemingly, the only answer is: "It alleviates our boredom." It would seem that "discovery" doesn't really mean 'discovery,' but rather, 'activity.'
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I think you have a paranoia about secularists that is immune to reason. You seem to have trouble distinguishing liberty from oppression.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Thats is a good example of how the process works. Use any false claim to demonzie the opposition, to make it appear that normal, traditional appeals to a creator are examples of an aberation of our culture in order to legitimize their own desire to control the agenda. The truth is that there is nothing in our current foreign policy that can be even remotely associated with biblical prophesy aside from a few out of context quotes.
You don't seem to keep up with many of the developments on the religious right. Much of the support for Israel on the religious right is because of a belief that the restoration of Jewish control of Palestine is a necessary precondition for the second coming. Historically, Christians have been hostile to the Jews. The love affair they currently have is for reasons of prophesy. http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/10336.htm[^]
The Christian right is also solidly behind Israel. White evangelicals are significantly more pro-Israeli than Americans in general; more than half of them say they strongly sympathise with Israel. (A third of the Americans who claim sympathy with Israel say that this stems from their religious beliefs.) Two in five Americans believe that Israel was given to the Jewish people by God, and one in three say that the creation of the state of Israel was a step towards the Second Coming.
http://sparkfactory.com.au/nfn/?page_id=103[^]
John Carson
John Carson wrote:
I think you have a paranoia about secularists that is immune to reason. You seem to have trouble distinguishing liberty from oppression.
No trouble at all. Civilization IS oppression, and it cannot be avoided. Liberty is not being free to stick your penis wherever you please, it is being free to participate in how tyranny ultimately becomes defined. Secular humanist are the very same class of humanity who, a thousand years ago, would have been using the church to rationalize their control of society, to set its rules and standards. The goal is the control. The agenda is merely a means to achieve it. It is a process that has happened in every single human civilization and it is now happening in ours despite all the safeguards against it. Am I paranoid about that? You're goddamned right I am.
John Carson wrote:
You don't seem to keep up with many of the developments on the religious right.
I don't need to keep up with it, I live right in the middle of it. I was born and raised in the middle of it. I live in the very heart of the evangelical fervor you are so afraid of. And I'm telling you, it ain't there. The only radicals I know, the only people who really feel like their beliefs should be promoted and protected by the state are secularists, not religious people. I grew up hearing people discuss Israel and the last days and Armegeddon and all the rest of that revalations stuff. Many people I know do feel that Israel is part of biblical predictions. But that isn't why they vote the way the do and that isn't why our foreign policy is what it is. In fact, many if not most people I know who talk about that stuff are old school FDR democrats. Israel is one of our allies. They are as free and democratic a society as they could possibly be given the circumstances. You do not abandon such a relationship under threat. You just don't. And that is the basis for American support of Israel, and has nothing to do with the bible. In fact, if you wish to come and look for yourself, I will give you a hundred dollars for every church you can find that is actively promoting any such agenda. (That is, trying to influence US foreign policy via the political system in order to help Israel win Armegeddon or whatever)
The only conspiracies that concern me are the ones I am completely unaware of. By the time I find out a