Back pain
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Find a good osteopath, My back went and the best thing I ever did was ask them what they do. I was advised NOT to go to hospital, find an osteopath. Elaine :rose:
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I did exactly the same. It turned out that my back pain was caused (in effect) by a problem with my posture caused by a curvature in the spine. Some simple manipulation then it got it better.
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
I've helped my wife manage back pain for the last 20 years, but the first thing to note is that some things that work like magic for some don't work for others. It is primarily important to exclude serious physical problems, but I guess your physio should have helped there. In my wife's case it seems to be caused by muscular spasms, where the muscles just knot up. We have had periods where it has affected her neck/shoulders to the point where she can't move her neck, mid to lower back problems that also seem to affect hip/knees. I'm at the stage where I know the muscles that affect particular areas, and I can usually find a few knotted back muscles that I can massage away and fix things. There are back muscles that when they spasm can give you terrible back pain, but also some that send shooting pains up the neck or down the leg. My wife has found that alcohol helps - just a glass or two of wine - seems to relax things, and non-steroidal anti-inflammatories (e.g. Nurofen). As far as liniments go, our favourite is a chinese one, can't find a ref at the moment. My tips, avoid chiropractors and manipulation, and change physio / osteo whenever they stop working, for some reason our experience is that most of the physio treatments seem to stop working (typ 1-2 years) and finding someone new usually helps. Just be aware of the gastrointestinal effects of the non-steroidal anti-inflammatories if you take them regularly. Good luck,
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Very sorry to hear this. I have had back pain for 10+ years. I find that mild stretching while in a hot shower helps me. I have prescriptions for muscle relaxant and painkiller, but I rarely take them because they put me in a fog. But as others have recommended, you should first go to doctor to make sure you don't do anything to make it worse.
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i am kind of an expert on back pain having fibromyalgia for the last 10 years ... i have tried almost everything you can think of from medication to all forms of body work ... what i suggest is holding off stretching and strengthening until you know what is wrong ... both can make the problem worse ... i assume from working at the computer a lot you have trigger points (muscle knots) in your back and possibly stomach ... go pick up The Trigger Point Therapy Workbook ... it maps areas of pain to the muscles that cause the pain ... with the book you may be able to fix the problem yourself or be able to describe the problem more accurately to your physio theripist good luck
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
As Trollslayer said, osteopath. Also try a chiropractor. However, I'd also suggest getting an MRI (not an xray, an xray can't see the soft tissues). But don't let the quacks who read the MRI take control of your body, and make sure you get copies (an issue often here in the US) to show the osteopath/chiropractor/others. Marc
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As Trollslayer said, osteopath. Also try a chiropractor. However, I'd also suggest getting an MRI (not an xray, an xray can't see the soft tissues). But don't let the quacks who read the MRI take control of your body, and make sure you get copies (an issue often here in the US) to show the osteopath/chiropractor/others. Marc
The osteo didn't do much for me, I have another appt for Saturday, we'll see how it pans out. The people with the ergonomic desks are closed all this week, so I guess that's it for now.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Dude. Dude. Dude. I know back pain better than you know C++. Hell. I know back pain better than you know yourself. What would you like to know? I presently owe American back physicians $10,000 which have achieved me nothing. I get Percocet and Soma in a 30 day supply which does more for me than the $10,000 I owe ever has. Physical therapy is awesome but you've got to find someone who's good. I love my physical therapist and I believe I'll be drug free in a few months with this guy. Seriously though. I've got massive pain that never stops. Sometimes I have to wait 30 or more seconds just to start to pee because the pain in my back and down my leg is throbbing so much. What would you like to know? I know you. There's nothing I wouldn't do for you. You know how to reach me and I can tell you more than you want to know. I've suffered for 17 years with back pain. It's a terrible monkey and I don't think I'll ever shake what I have going on. I'll get the pain under control but that injury will always be there.
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Have you considered Yoga? It works if you learn from a good Yoga practitioner and is not averse to foreign traditional culture. Wish you a speedy recovery.
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Yep, I'd been told that, I have an appointment for 10 am, and I am all geared up to buy a sit/stand desk today, if one exists in Hobart.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Second the osteopath reccomendation, big time. I had some fairly major surgery to remove a bone tumour from my spine about 14 years ago, and as expected my back was never the same afterwards, I had to be really careful lifting things, long car trips did me in, etc etc. I had a "kneeler" chair, one where your knees sit on a pad angled one way and your bum on another so there is no back support. It worked but I got very tired sitting like that all day. Eventually I went to an osteopath, who gave me a set of very simple exercises to do. The whole point of these was not really to strengthen my back muscles, but to re-train them so I was using them more. He said that your back muscles do a much better job of supporting your weight than your spine, and in most people with major back issues the problems are caused by too much strain on the joints in your back, and not using your back muscles properly. Anyway, I did the funny exercises for a few months and it changed my posture and now my back is better than ever and hardly gives me any problems. The ostiopath should send you for tests if they think you need them before they will go near you, thats what happened to me. Good luck!
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
I'm no expert, but about 5 years ago I was crippled for a week after digging a small garden bed. Luckily my problems have all been muscular and I'm still really young (34). Anyway, my back has never really been the same after that in spite of doing stretching, swimming, martial arts and laying off the biking. Over the past few months, I've been doing high intensity body weight (like pullups) and light weighted exercises (like sandbag shoulders), and my back feels better then it did when I was in my teens. The difference has been to focus on power over max strength, building up the energy systems of the body. Who knows how this will affect me over the years, but right now I can actually feel my back muscles and my back feels more pain free and relaxed then it has in ages. If my back does get sore from long trips driving, which is about the only time now, I focus on squeezing my butt cheeks together like I'm trying to turn coal into a diamond and it usually helps my back out. I don't know why, but tensing the glutes like that seems to pull my spine into the right position.
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
You have my complete sympathy: I've recently been diagnosed with a slipped disc (I have the MRI to prove it!) and the pain, whilst it has got better, is constant and bloody irritating. It appears to be worst at night so I don't sleep so well. I am getting used to it and am having physio (which sometimes helps, sometimes doesn't). I take Ibuprofen for pain and as an anti-inflammatory. I was on di-hydro-codeine (is that right?) but they had a weird effect so I had to stop. Anyway, it is awful and draining. Someone else metioned not being able to pee in the morning until the pain subsided. Boy do I know that one. I am going to ask for a steroid injection to reduce the inflammation which, apparently, is most helpful. Other than that only time and/or surgery will really help. A thought I had: maybe some bright spark could come up with a way to wrap a material around the upper and lower vertebrae thereby holding the disc in place (and squeezing the rupture in) whilst remaining flexible. Carbon fibre netting, maybe? Pain makes me tired. Boy, am I tired.
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Poor mate:(.. Sure, being such a fixture must result in such health problems :rolleyes:.. Did you try Jonhnson back stickers?? It's working like magic to me but you can also use some Voltaren Get well buddy, we need you ;)
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
I guess most peoples' advise is valuable in it's own way, but there could be so many causes for your back pain. So I'ld agree, diagnosis is the first requirement (X-ray/MRI etc.), then follow with treatment. By the way, I used to have occasional bouts of back pain, but since I've bought my waterbed about 6 years ago, not a single time anymore!!! So I would recommend you give that a try no matter what!
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As I mentioned below, I've had a pretty full on work schedule this last year. I've had back pain for much of that time, and gone to physio weekly. However, two weeks ago, I had a major episode that made the pain far worse than it was before and despite a week off, mostly spent lying down, it's not getting any better. My business partner tells me that physio is a waste of time and I should get some medical imaging done and get some drugs prescribed. I think that medicine is a waste of time for a physical injury ( I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past, but they did not help ), although I accept I need to try something other than physio. What do other people think/recommend ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
I think your business partner is badly informed. Most back pain is caused by one of two problems - muscle strain or a nerve ganglion under pressure. Spinal damage/deterioration may sometimes be a cause, but I wouldn't expect that in someone so young. Imaging might be a good idea, but I'd be leery of the prescribed course of treatment. Doctors these days are only trained to prescribe drugs for the symptoms, not treat the real cause. Drugs will mask the symptoms, but do nothing for the underlying cause. If there's no spinal defect, strengthening the back muscles through physiotherapy or low-stress exercise will reduce the risk of strain, and regular motion to keep the back muscles in balance will reduce pressure on the nerves. In other words - exercise will fix it. The drawback, of course, is that an exercise program targeted on the back will take longer to show results, while drugs will provide immediate, if incomplete relief.
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Hey Dave, thanks for the advice. Yeah, I do the stretch you're suggesting, my physio told me about it. I've taken anti inflammatory drugs in the past and not noticed any difference, but I am going to do the rounds of the doctors over the next week or so, and I'm sure I'll be on them again. Perhaps I need to try some stronger drugs, the pain drugs I've taken have never done a thing for me. The big one for me is that I'm going to buy a desk that lets me work standing up ( or rather, one that moves so I can alternate ). I wish I'd done that 6 months ago, and not had to deal with this 'episode', but better late than never. The pool also worked miracles for me in the past ( and helped me lose weight, which I've struggled with since I've started travelling to the US regularly ), I need to make time to do that again. As noted below, I've been time poor this year, and I let the pool thing slide because I didn't think I could afford to go. I think now I can't afford not to go again. And yes, it's true I am over 6 foot and nearly 40. I guess I just have to come to terms with that, same as everyone else. :-)
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Do not ever give up. You have the rest of your life. I have back pain that has been so intense I couldn't pee and right now I am resolved to fight and fight until I die. I use oxycodone and soma to one effect but the biggest fight I take to this dog is exercise which cancels out aging and immobility. You must get active and you must get active on a regular basis. This fight is worth *FIGHTING* and you have to resolve to not only fight but to seriously KICK ASS in the fight. There is no surrender. How can there be? Surrender means to give up parts of your life you may love and as far as I'm concerned the day I start doing that is the first shovel full of dirt that is digging my grave. Always, remember to "Up The Irons" for any cause and all of them are a good cause.