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  • R Robert Surtees

    David Kentley wrote:

    It's possible that, as an optimization, "fixing" this has zero impact on real world performance while (slightly) obfuscating the code.

    I'm pretty sure pow() only takes and returns doubles which means the original code is casting two ints in and one back out in addition to its internal pow goodness. I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster. :)

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    jhwurmbach
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    Robert Surtees wrote:

    I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster.

    Which, as was argued here, is very probably of no importance, while the resulting obfuscation of the intent of the calculation is important.

    Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
    Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"

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    • Q QuiJohn

      I'd have to see more of the code to decide if this really deserves to be a horror. It's possible that, as an optimization, "fixing" this has zero impact on real world performance while (slightly) obfuscating the code. I'm a much bigger fan of readable code than optimizations with negligible performance improvements. (Not that "2 << i" is that unreadable, but you get the idea.)


      Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency!            -Emily Dickinson

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      Gary Wheeler
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      The original surrounding code looked something like this:

      for (int i = 0; i < 16; i++) {
      CString name;
      name.Format(_T("Stuff_%d.dat"),(int)pow(2,i));
      };

      Thinking about it, if I wanted to maximize readability, I would have done this:

      int name_value = 1;
      for (int i = 0; i < 16; i++) {
      CString name;
      name.Format(_T("Stuff_%d.dat"),name_value);
      name_value *= 2;
      };

      The only reason I found this is a compiler error in the original (int)pow(2,i) expression from VS2008 (ambiguous override).

      Software Zen: delete this;

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      • K KarstenK

        The code got optimized for readability for the 'junior' programmers. And it has the potential to get easily chanced to (int)pow(3,i). I say this to defend your senior... :-O

        Greetings from Germany

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        Gary Wheeler
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        KarstenK wrote:

        defend your senior...

        Actually, I'm senior to the guy that wrote this. I just thought that the guy should have picked a better way to achieve the desired affect.

        Software Zen: delete this;

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        • L leppie

          Gary Wheeler wrote:

          I replaced it with the following expression:

          And in the process introduced a subtle bug ;P

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          Gary Wheeler
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          Actually not; see my reply above.

          Software Zen: delete this;

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          • R Robert Rohde

            Good catch! I assume you are referring to the different results when having i with values smaller than 0 and bigger than 31... Robert

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            leppie
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            Just smaller than 0, but as he is casting to int 31 or above could be a problem too, not sure if C (which I assume this is) will create a 'long' or 'long long' or whatever they use from the shift. But the result of usage of negative numbers are clear undefined.

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            • G Gary Wheeler

              KarstenK wrote:

              defend your senior...

              Actually, I'm senior to the guy that wrote this. I just thought that the guy should have picked a better way to achieve the desired affect.

              Software Zen: delete this;

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              leppie
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              Like:

              int pow(int i, int j)
              {
              switch (j)
              case 0: return 1;
              case 1: return i;
              case 2: return i * i;
              case 3: return i * i * i;
              case 4: return i * i * i * i;
              ...
              }

              ;P

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              • L leppie

                Like:

                int pow(int i, int j)
                {
                switch (j)
                case 0: return 1;
                case 1: return i;
                case 2: return i * i;
                case 3: return i * i * i;
                case 4: return i * i * i * i;
                ...
                }

                ;P

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                CPallini
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                Nope. You forgot break; statement. Oh pardon, you're senior! :-D

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                • G Gary Wheeler

                  I found this expression in our current source code:

                  int i;
                  //...
                  (int)pow(2,i)

                  This was in code written by a senior developer :wtf:. I replaced it with the following expression:

                  (1 << i)

                  Software Zen: delete this;

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                  CPallini
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                  Gary Wheeler wrote:

                  This was in code written by a senior developer

                  When seniority approaches retirement... :-D

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  [my articles]

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                  • CPalliniC CPallini

                    Nope. You forgot break; statement. Oh pardon, you're senior! :-D

                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                    [my articles]

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                    leppie
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                    We break for nothing! :p

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                    • Q QuiJohn

                      I'd have to see more of the code to decide if this really deserves to be a horror. It's possible that, as an optimization, "fixing" this has zero impact on real world performance while (slightly) obfuscating the code. I'm a much bigger fan of readable code than optimizations with negligible performance improvements. (Not that "2 << i" is that unreadable, but you get the idea.)


                      Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency!            -Emily Dickinson

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                      CPallini
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                      David Kentley wrote:

                      Not that "2 << i" is that unreadable, but you get the idea.

                      In fact it isn't unreadable, it is wrong. :-D

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      [my articles]

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                      • J jhwurmbach

                        Robert Surtees wrote:

                        I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster.

                        Which, as was argued here, is very probably of no importance, while the resulting obfuscation of the intent of the calculation is important.

                        Let's think the unthinkable, let's do the undoable, let's prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all.
                        Douglas Adams, "Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency"

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                        Robert Surtees
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                        jhwurmbach wrote:

                        Robert Surtees wrote: I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster. Which, as was argued here, is very probably of no importance, while the resulting obfuscation of the intent of the calculation is important.

                        I'd say it's important. Gary's XT doesn't have an 8087 plugged in.

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                        • R Robert Surtees

                          David Kentley wrote:

                          It's possible that, as an optimization, "fixing" this has zero impact on real world performance while (slightly) obfuscating the code.

                          I'm pretty sure pow() only takes and returns doubles which means the original code is casting two ints in and one back out in addition to its internal pow goodness. I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster. :)

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                          CPallini
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                          Robert Surtees wrote:

                          I'm pretty sure pow() only takes and returns doubles which means the original code is casting two ints in and one back out in addition to its internal pow goodness. I'm guessing the shift is a wee bit faster.

                          VC++ compiler is smart enough to implement it using shift instead of pow. Anyway, IMHO shift syntax is far more clean. :)

                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                          [my articles]

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                          • L leppie

                            Like:

                            int pow(int i, int j)
                            {
                            switch (j)
                            case 0: return 1;
                            case 1: return i;
                            case 2: return i * i;
                            case 3: return i * i * i;
                            case 4: return i * i * i * i;
                            ...
                            }

                            ;P

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                            int pow(int i, int j) { switch (j) { default: return 0; case 0: return 1; case 32: i *= i; case 31: i *= i; case 30: i *= i; ... case 1: return i; } } .... ewwwww

                            Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                            • T Tim Smith

                              int pow(int i, int j) { switch (j) { default: return 0; case 0: return 1; case 32: i *= i; case 31: i *= i; case 30: i *= i; ... case 1: return i; } } .... ewwwww

                              Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                              leppie
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                              Even better :p

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                              • C Chris Maunder

                                Shift left is way cooler than pow any day. And in the end it's all about how good the code looks, eh? ;)

                                cheers, Chris Maunder

                                CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                peterchen
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                                words to live code by! :D

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                                • Q QuiJohn

                                  I'd have to see more of the code to decide if this really deserves to be a horror. It's possible that, as an optimization, "fixing" this has zero impact on real world performance while (slightly) obfuscating the code. I'm a much bigger fan of readable code than optimizations with negligible performance improvements. (Not that "2 << i" is that unreadable, but you get the idea.)


                                  Faith is a fine invention For gentlemen who see; But microscopes are prudent In an emergency!            -Emily Dickinson

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                                  peterchen
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                                  Can you guarantee that floating point inaccuracies + truncation in the cast doesn't introduce a problem? A quick check shows they don't on VC8, but I wouldn#t have bet on it. Further, if your compiler uses the canonical (if simplistic) implementation of double pow_simple(double x, double y) { return exp(y*log(x)); } you fail pretty quickly with pow(2,3) = 7.9999999999999982 To add a pitfall to a lurking bug: if you use the default %f specifier for that, it dutifully prints 8.000000, but truncates it to 7 when casting to int. Also, when using 64-bit integers, starting with pow(2,51) double loses on accuracy.

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                                  • C Chris Maunder

                                    Shift left is way cooler than pow any day. And in the end it's all about how good the code looks, eh? ;)

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    PaulPrice
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                                    Words of wisdom, I can often spend hours getting my comments and keywords in the right places to make the code look good and colourful

                                    Paul

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                                    • T Tim Smith

                                      int pow(int i, int j) { switch (j) { default: return 0; case 0: return 1; case 32: i *= i; case 31: i *= i; case 30: i *= i; ... case 1: return i; } } .... ewwwww

                                      Tim Smith I'm going to patent thought. I have yet to see any prior art.

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                                      (stack madness variant)

                                      int imul(int i, int j)
                                      {
                                      if (j==0 ) return 0;
                                      else return imul(i,j-1) + i;
                                      }

                                      int ipow(int i, int j)
                                      {
                                      if (j==0) return 1;
                                      else return imul(ipow(i,j-1) , i);
                                      }

                                      :-D

                                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                      [my articles]

                                      In testa che avete, signor di Ceprano?

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                                      • G Gary Wheeler

                                        I found this expression in our current source code:

                                        int i;
                                        //...
                                        (int)pow(2,i)

                                        This was in code written by a senior developer :wtf:. I replaced it with the following expression:

                                        (1 << i)

                                        Software Zen: delete this;

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                                        ClementsDan
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                                        Do you work for the same company as me? I've seen someone write code just like that -- to create a bitmask.

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                                        • G Gary Wheeler

                                          I found this expression in our current source code:

                                          int i;
                                          //...
                                          (int)pow(2,i)

                                          This was in code written by a senior developer :wtf:. I replaced it with the following expression:

                                          (1 << i)

                                          Software Zen: delete this;

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                                          Tim Carmichael
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                                          But... but... but... this ISN'T VB... Is it possible to have bad code written by a senior developer in a non-VB language??? ;P

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