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  • H hayrob

    "i" before "e" except after "c". Correct: believe, receive

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    benjymous
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    Sadly this rule isn't sufficient either, to be honest, you could try in vein to work out standardised rules - The English language is somewhat weird and inconsistant, probably due to the kaleidoscopic way it's been merged from various sources, since ancient times most of our European neighbours have invaded at some point or other, and the language reflects that with many foreign influenced words. Science tends not to play by the rules either. You could probably do with some caffeine by now, I'm sure!

    -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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      Sadly this rule isn't sufficient either, to be honest, you could try in vein to work out standardised rules - The English language is somewhat weird and inconsistant, probably due to the kaleidoscopic way it's been merged from various sources, since ancient times most of our European neighbours have invaded at some point or other, and the language reflects that with many foreign influenced words. Science tends not to play by the rules either. You could probably do with some caffeine by now, I'm sure!

      -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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      moon_stick
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      I'm pretty sure that you try 'in vain' rather than 'in vein' but a nice post to show some of the horrible inconsistencies in English! Gets my 5 :-)

      It definitely isn't definatley

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      • J Johann Gerell

        So, I'm Swedish and have some difficulties to differ between "insure" and "ensure". When coding, I tend to use "ensure" as in the function void EnsureProperState() and in the comment // Ensures that nothing bad will happen with bla bla bla. To me "insure" is about physical insurance, like "life insurance" or "vehicle insurance". Is there a more strict difference between them?

        -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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        moon_stick
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        According to the Oxford English Dictionary: insure • verb 1 arrange for compensation in the event of damage to or loss of (property, life, or a person), in exchange for regular payments to a company. 2 secure the payment of (a sum) in this way. 3 (insure against) protect (someone) against (a possible eventuality). 4 another term for ENSURE. so technically you can use either. Personally, I would tend to use ensure to mean 'to make sure some has or will happen' and use insure as in term 1 of the above definition. Strangely, words starting in / en don't always have different meanings - enquire and inquire for example, both mean the same thing.

        It definitely isn't definatley

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        • J Johann Gerell

          So, I'm Swedish and have some difficulties to differ between "insure" and "ensure". When coding, I tend to use "ensure" as in the function void EnsureProperState() and in the comment // Ensures that nothing bad will happen with bla bla bla. To me "insure" is about physical insurance, like "life insurance" or "vehicle insurance". Is there a more strict difference between them?

          -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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          Dalek Dave
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          You have it exactly. To Ensure means to guarantee something happens, to Insure is to guard against! That seems a bit trite, but your definition is absolutely correct.

          ------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.

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          • S soap brain

            I've never personally needed to learn any rules about this - I've always been right on instinct ever since I was very little. However, this looks like it knows what it's talking about.[^] At the end, it says, "Use i before e except after c or when sounded like a as in neighbor or weigh; and except seize and seizure and also leisure, weird, height, and either, forfeit, and neither."

            "What am I in the eyes of most people, a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person--somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then--even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart."

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            Dalek Dave
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            Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

            I've always been right on instinct

            ALWAYS? Thats quite a boast, even Einstein said he was wrong once! (ok he was wrong when he mis-corrected what was already right about his special theory, he soon corrected it back :) )

            ------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.

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            • B benjymous

              Sadly this rule isn't sufficient either, to be honest, you could try in vein to work out standardised rules - The English language is somewhat weird and inconsistant, probably due to the kaleidoscopic way it's been merged from various sources, since ancient times most of our European neighbours have invaded at some point or other, and the language reflects that with many foreign influenced words. Science tends not to play by the rules either. You could probably do with some caffeine by now, I'm sure!

              -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit! Buzzwords!

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              benjymous wrote:

              inconsistaent

              :)

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                Ravel H. Joyce wrote:

                I've always been right on instinct

                ALWAYS? Thats quite a boast, even Einstein said he was wrong once! (ok he was wrong when he mis-corrected what was already right about his special theory, he soon corrected it back :) )

                ------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.

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                soap brain
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                Yes, always. ;P

                "What am I in the eyes of most people, a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person--somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then--even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart."

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                • S soap brain

                  Yes, always. ;P

                  "What am I in the eyes of most people, a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person--somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then--even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart."

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                  Dalek Dave
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                  I like your Confidence! :-D

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                  • D Dalek Dave

                    I like your Confidence! :-D

                    ------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.

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                    I like your praise!

                    "What am I in the eyes of most people, a nonentity, an eccentric, or an unpleasant person--somebody who has no position in society and will never have; in short, the lowest of the low. All right, then--even if that were absolutely true, then I should one day like to show by my work what such an eccentric, such a nobody, has in his heart."

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                    • J Johann Gerell

                      So, I'm Swedish and have some difficulties to differ between "insure" and "ensure". When coding, I tend to use "ensure" as in the function void EnsureProperState() and in the comment // Ensures that nothing bad will happen with bla bla bla. To me "insure" is about physical insurance, like "life insurance" or "vehicle insurance". Is there a more strict difference between them?

                      -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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                      Use "make sure" instead of "ensure". That way you'll never go wrong and you don't have to remember all those prefixes. Example: int i, e; i = i; // make sure that i is i e = e; // ... and e is e :)

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                        Use "make sure" instead of "ensure". That way you'll never go wrong and you don't have to remember all those prefixes. Example: int i, e; i = i; // make sure that i is i e = e; // ... and e is e :)

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                        Johann Gerell
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                        Well, that doesn't fit into my way of naming functions: MakeSureXYZ() would in my world mean that a SureXYZ object will be somehow "made" by that function, whereas EnsureXYZ() cannot be misunderstood. :)

                        -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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                        • J Johann Gerell

                          So, I'm Swedish and have some difficulties to differ between "insure" and "ensure". When coding, I tend to use "ensure" as in the function void EnsureProperState() and in the comment // Ensures that nothing bad will happen with bla bla bla. To me "insure" is about physical insurance, like "life insurance" or "vehicle insurance". Is there a more strict difference between them?

                          -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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                          realJSOP
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                          You are correct sir.

                          "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                          • realJSOPR realJSOP

                            You are correct sir.

                            "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                            "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                            Johann Gerell
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                            Gosh! I'm flabbergasted! I've never been "sir"-ed before... :rolleyes:

                            -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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                            • J Johann Gerell

                              Well, that doesn't fit into my way of naming functions: MakeSureXYZ() would in my world mean that a SureXYZ object will be somehow "made" by that function, whereas EnsureXYZ() cannot be misunderstood. :)

                              -- Time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time - Bertrand Russel

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                              I thought it was about the use of "ensure" inside comments, not naming functions with it. In that case, using Ensure as a prefix sounds just as weird to me as using MakeSure. :P If I'm not sure about something I just ASSERT it and fix problems later.

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