Fight Club
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
The movie was great! But the book was even better. A great example of how you can get two totally different products by focusing on different things.
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
Yeah, it was a good movie. However, the depth of the movie is like Rage Against The Machine lyrics. People are unaware of the messages. Most people hardly ever think about anything... even smart computer programmers.
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John C wrote:
Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
Once you realized that, you weren't supposed to tell anybody. :)
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
Spot on. Fight Club is one of my favorite movies. When it came out, I had no desire to see it, but I wish I had; I didn't see it until a couple of years later.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
The first rule of fight club is we don't speak about fight club.
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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You know how you see a new movie come along and the advertising for it makes it look like something you won't like, then years later on a whim you rent the movie and discover all the advertising when it came out was completely and utterly misleading? I remember seeing the ads for Fight Club and getting the impression it was a stupid, shallow movie about underground fist fighting with no purpose other than to separate 17 - 30 year old men from their money. After watching it I discovered nothing could be further from the truth. It's a very deep and thought provoking movie and the marketing at the time must have brought in droves of people who absolutely hated it. It seems like the marketing department for most movies works off a one sentence description of the movie and invents the rest to target it to the demographic they are after with no realtion to the actual movie whatsoever. It's funny reading the reviews and discussion of Fight Club online. A lot of people apparently don't take any time at all to really think about the movies they watch, or perhaps you have to have been a 30 something north american male at the time the movie came out then aged a few years to really get the deeper themes of the movie. Anyway, it's highly worth seeing if you haven't yet. It's violent but very deep and interesting on many levels. Clearly a masterpiece of the 20th century.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
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The first rule of fight club is we don't speak about fight club.
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The first rule of fight club is we don't speak about fight club.
When the movie first came out, I had a couple of friends who walked around writing "You do not talk about Phyte Club" on everything. A rather amusing play on words combined with not actually talking about Fight Club :)
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
code-frog wrote:
I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films
code-frog wrote:
Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well [...] and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks!
hmmmm, i'd definitely go out of my way to see all the lord of the rings long before i'd watch "Gladiator"
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To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
code-frog wrote:
I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride.
I suppose this is at the heart of the deeper message in the movie. Some people cut themselves to feel alive in a world that is, ultimately, pretty bland and montonous. In the movie, they fight, not for pride, not to win, but simply to feel alive, to know the animal inside that we've built all of this civilization in order to subdue. I think the sum of the movie can be expressed in this mini-speech by the Tyler Durden character (the main character's alter-ego):
Tyler Durden wrote:
Man, I see in Fight Club the strongest and smartest men who have ever lived. I see all this potential, and I see it squandered. Goddammit, an entire generation pumping gas, waiting tables, slaves with white collars. Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy shit we don't need. We're the middle children of history, man; no purpose or place. We have no Great War, no Great Depression. Our Great War is a spiritual war. Our Great Depression is our lives. We've all been raised by television to believe that one day we'd all be millionaires and movie gods and rock stars. But we won't; and we're slowly learning that fact. And we're very, very pissed off.
For them, Fight Club is their rebellion against what the world wants them to be. And of course it speaks to that part inside every one of us.
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see Is that also because of the violence? I don't know what to say... :| I'm no movie critic, but the messages that I got were the emptiness of material things and the lack of purpose in the lives of so many.
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I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see Is that also because of the violence? I don't know what to say... :| I'm no movie critic, but the messages that I got were the emptiness of material things and the lack of purpose in the lives of so many.
dighn wrote:
messages that I got were the emptiness of material things and the lack of purpose in the lives of so many.
i think most people buy material things because they lack purpose in life and thus have no way to judge whether or not something is important to them so they wait to be told what is important by masses.
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To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
code-frog wrote:
So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it...
Well one thing I got out of it is the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society. There are really several things going on in this movie and one of the threads is that in the movie a *lot* of men are interested in joining the fight club / society for what appear to be reasons of reinstating their genetic and historic male role in society. Popular culture and advertising has been relentlessly disassembling the traditional role of the man in society, making fun of the very aspects that make men different from women, portraying men as childish barbarous ineffectual idiots. Entire sitcoms that ran many seasons on TV mined that vein for all it was worth. Look at most ad's with a woman and a man in them, the man is nearly always portrayed as being an idiot on some level or another with the woman always knowing best. Look at nearly any of those ads and imagine the exact same ad with the sexes reversed and you will quickly realize just how unacceptible those ads would be in modern society. In short it's blatant sexism that started as a backlash of the sexist treatment of women for decades (before that it was irrelevant because the great majority of women were *not* interested in assuming male roles in anything). It's no more right or accurate than it was the other way around in this day and age but for some reason it's more socially acceptable. Men seem in general content to have their traditional male characteristics laughed at and made fun of. Society seems to be trending towards a conscious attempt on the one hand to deny that there is any difference between the sexes all the while negatively percieving the male attitudes. There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity, few opportunities to be a true individual and go your own way. One thread of this movie taps into that, but it's not the only or even main thread of the movie.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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dighn wrote:
messages that I got were the emptiness of material things and the lack of purpose in the lives of so many.
i think most people buy material things because they lack purpose in life and thus have no way to judge whether or not something is important to them so they wait to be told what is important by masses.
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code-frog wrote:
So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it...
Well one thing I got out of it is the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society. There are really several things going on in this movie and one of the threads is that in the movie a *lot* of men are interested in joining the fight club / society for what appear to be reasons of reinstating their genetic and historic male role in society. Popular culture and advertising has been relentlessly disassembling the traditional role of the man in society, making fun of the very aspects that make men different from women, portraying men as childish barbarous ineffectual idiots. Entire sitcoms that ran many seasons on TV mined that vein for all it was worth. Look at most ad's with a woman and a man in them, the man is nearly always portrayed as being an idiot on some level or another with the woman always knowing best. Look at nearly any of those ads and imagine the exact same ad with the sexes reversed and you will quickly realize just how unacceptible those ads would be in modern society. In short it's blatant sexism that started as a backlash of the sexist treatment of women for decades (before that it was irrelevant because the great majority of women were *not* interested in assuming male roles in anything). It's no more right or accurate than it was the other way around in this day and age but for some reason it's more socially acceptable. Men seem in general content to have their traditional male characteristics laughed at and made fun of. Society seems to be trending towards a conscious attempt on the one hand to deny that there is any difference between the sexes all the while negatively percieving the male attitudes. There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity, few opportunities to be a true individual and go your own way. One thread of this movie taps into that, but it's not the only or even main thread of the movie.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
John C wrote:
Society seems to be trending towards a conscious attempt on the one hand to deny that there is any difference between the sexes
psssssh like what :-P but i hear what you're saying and someone is squatting on www.manimal.com
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code-frog wrote:
So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it...
Well one thing I got out of it is the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society. There are really several things going on in this movie and one of the threads is that in the movie a *lot* of men are interested in joining the fight club / society for what appear to be reasons of reinstating their genetic and historic male role in society. Popular culture and advertising has been relentlessly disassembling the traditional role of the man in society, making fun of the very aspects that make men different from women, portraying men as childish barbarous ineffectual idiots. Entire sitcoms that ran many seasons on TV mined that vein for all it was worth. Look at most ad's with a woman and a man in them, the man is nearly always portrayed as being an idiot on some level or another with the woman always knowing best. Look at nearly any of those ads and imagine the exact same ad with the sexes reversed and you will quickly realize just how unacceptible those ads would be in modern society. In short it's blatant sexism that started as a backlash of the sexist treatment of women for decades (before that it was irrelevant because the great majority of women were *not* interested in assuming male roles in anything). It's no more right or accurate than it was the other way around in this day and age but for some reason it's more socially acceptable. Men seem in general content to have their traditional male characteristics laughed at and made fun of. Society seems to be trending towards a conscious attempt on the one hand to deny that there is any difference between the sexes all the while negatively percieving the male attitudes. There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity, few opportunities to be a true individual and go your own way. One thread of this movie taps into that, but it's not the only or even main thread of the movie.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
John C wrote:
the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society
Too true. That's the province of wives.
John C wrote:
There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity
Peeing standing up. That's all we've got left - and once the women figure out how to do that without dribbling, well it's curtains for male kind.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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To watch that movie because I abhor unnecessary violence especially in the form of combat for pride. {Lump me into where you were.} I haven't even seen all the Lord of the Rings films or all the Star Wars films or 30 other films I really wanted to see "Tears in the Sun" being one of them (what can I say I like Willis, he was brilliant in Over the Hedge). Since I'll never see this show. My wife won't even watch Gladiator which in my opinion carries some really deep meanings as well (it is also a film I had zero intention of ever watching) and is one of my all-time FAVORITE-FAVORITE-FAVORITE flicks! So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it... Someone loop me in. I'd lay 1000000000000000000000000000000:1 odds that I will ever get to see it. Movies and T.V. just don't really happen in our house.
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John C wrote:
the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society
Too true. That's the province of wives.
John C wrote:
There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity
Peeing standing up. That's all we've got left - and once the women figure out how to do that without dribbling, well it's curtains for male kind.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
John C wrote: the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society Too true. That's the province of wives.
No, the province of wives is to try and it's in the province of men to fiercely resist with pride but to accept when they are just plain being silly. There are not a lot of women in my estimation that truly in their hearts want a lapdog for a husband.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Peeing standing up. That's all we've got left - and once the women figure out how to do that without dribbling, well it's curtains for male kind.
They already have, there's this disposable cardboard funnel type thing I saw once. Dont' get me wrong, I don't think men or women should adhere to any particular gender role, I think that's long out the window, but the concept of maleness and femaleness and the attitudes that go with them are good things in my opinion no matter who or what sex chooses to live them. Vive le difference! :)
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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code-frog wrote:
So what's the deeper meaning? Now that you guys are stepping out about it I'm thinking it has to do with the "trapped" feelings many of us have and the deeper desire to "bust out" every now and then. But that seems ignorant and shallow not having seen the flick or knowing anything about it...
Well one thing I got out of it is the progressive trend of men being emasculated in popular culture and society. There are really several things going on in this movie and one of the threads is that in the movie a *lot* of men are interested in joining the fight club / society for what appear to be reasons of reinstating their genetic and historic male role in society. Popular culture and advertising has been relentlessly disassembling the traditional role of the man in society, making fun of the very aspects that make men different from women, portraying men as childish barbarous ineffectual idiots. Entire sitcoms that ran many seasons on TV mined that vein for all it was worth. Look at most ad's with a woman and a man in them, the man is nearly always portrayed as being an idiot on some level or another with the woman always knowing best. Look at nearly any of those ads and imagine the exact same ad with the sexes reversed and you will quickly realize just how unacceptible those ads would be in modern society. In short it's blatant sexism that started as a backlash of the sexist treatment of women for decades (before that it was irrelevant because the great majority of women were *not* interested in assuming male roles in anything). It's no more right or accurate than it was the other way around in this day and age but for some reason it's more socially acceptable. Men seem in general content to have their traditional male characteristics laughed at and made fun of. Society seems to be trending towards a conscious attempt on the one hand to deny that there is any difference between the sexes all the while negatively percieving the male attitudes. There are no more rights of passage any more, no real outlet for men (especially in urban areas) to have an outlet for their male identity, few opportunities to be a true individual and go your own way. One thread of this movie taps into that, but it's not the only or even main thread of the movie.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
I couldn't agree more to all of that. Not at all. Those points are so horribly, terrifyingly true. Men have the most bizarre position in our society. It's nearly impossible to put it into words. Right on. I can see what you mean now.