EU launches new Microsoft probes
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Bloody ridiculous. EU launches new Microsoft probes[^]
Kevin
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Bloody ridiculous. EU launches new Microsoft probes[^]
Kevin
Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Bloody ridiculous.
No, it's not. First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors. And I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows. 90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Bloody ridiculous.
No, it's not. First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors. And I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows. 90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Andre Buenger wrote:
And I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows. 90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Question. What will the 90% use if it didn't come pre-installed? I assume that manufacturers would have to bear the cost of alternative browsers, and they would pass this cost onto users. Alternatively, it would be up to end users to download the browser. Precisely how would they do that? My mother can barely access google, I really wouldn't expect her to be able to use FTP from the command line to download the browser.
Andre Buenger wrote:
No, it's not. First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors.
So - no vested interests there then. Interesting to note that the competitors all have paid for applications. They aren't exactly in the vanguard of open source software. Want Oracle - go on then, fork out a couple of million.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Bloody ridiculous.
No, it's not. First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors. And I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows. 90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Andre Buenger wrote:
90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Well, ALL users of IE use it because it was preinstalled. But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Bloody ridiculous. EU launches new Microsoft probes[^]
Kevin
Why don't they just kick MS out and be done with it ? They are obviously determined to attack them on the slightest whim of thier competitors.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Andre Buenger wrote:
90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Well, ALL users of IE use it because it was preinstalled. But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box. Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software.
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Why don't they just kick MS out and be done with it ? They are obviously determined to attack them on the slightest whim of thier competitors.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Bloody ridiculous. EU launches new Microsoft probes[^]
Kevin
Thank you, Opera.
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Andre Buenger wrote:
90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Well, ALL users of IE use it because it was preinstalled. But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
how would they download Firefox ?
apt-get install firefox? ;P
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Why don't they just kick MS out and be done with it ? They are obviously determined to attack them on the slightest whim of thier competitors.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Too much money for them to make bashing on Microsoft. The last thing they want is Microsoft to leave. Then they would have no software and nobody to sue to get the software for free. Cute little mess isn't it.
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Thank you, Opera.
We are a big screwed up dysfunctional psychotic happy family - some more screwed up, others more happy, but everybody's psychotic joint venture definition of CP
blog: TDD - the Aha! | Linkify!| FoldWithUs! | sighistYup - produce a product that people don't want to use and then complain about them using somebody else's choice. I'm waiting for the EU to sue God because he made the Earth proprietary. I assume they'll cite the case where people want to download their own oxygen or use a different type of trees.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box. Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software.
Andre Buenger wrote:
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box
And for the ones who make white boxes?
Andre Buenger wrote:
Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software
So now we are back to paying for something that is already coming free? Has nobody heard of UNINSTALL????? If you dont like it, dont use it. What is so hard about that? Also, why shouldnt Microsoft be able to distribute their free software bundled with software you buy? They arnt forcing you to use it, they are providing it as a convienience.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box. Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software.
But once you take the FREE browser out of the loop, then people will start having to pay for them, surely you see that ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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Kevin McFarlane wrote:
Bloody ridiculous.
No, it's not. First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors. And I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows. 90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
Andre Buenger wrote:
No, it's not.
Yes it is.
Andre Buenger wrote:
First and foremost is the EU comission only reacting to complaints by Microsoft competitors.
The EU commission should try working for a living instead of practising extortion rackets.
Andre Buenger wrote:
I also think that Opera is right, the Internet Explorer shouldn't be bundled with Windows.
It's MS's OS they should be allowed to offer it in any way they want.
Andre Buenger wrote:
90% of the IE users don't use it by choice but because it came preinstalled with Windows.
So what? As a matter of fact, though, the same thing can be said about Windows Media Player. If we go along with this one might think that a reasonable solution would be to allow OEMs to bundle multiple competing media players - something that Microsoft proposed - yet the EU commission still rejected it. They're just a bunch of power-lusters. (FWIW, I'm writing this in Firefox which I consider to be a superior browser to IE.)
Kevin
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Yup - produce a product that people don't want to use and then complain about them using somebody else's choice. I'm waiting for the EU to sue God because he made the Earth proprietary. I assume they'll cite the case where people want to download their own oxygen or use a different type of trees.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
It seems to me that some people are forgetting fast, I thought most of us knows the browser history of the last 10 years. Once there was a browser war between Netscape and Microsoft which Microsoft finally won because they bundled IE with Windows. And then? Nothing for 5 years, until Firefox gained more and more marketshare. Without Firefox we would still be using IE5.5 nowadays.
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Yup - produce a product that people don't want to use and then complain about them using somebody else's choice. I'm waiting for the EU to sue God because he made the Earth proprietary. I assume they'll cite the case where people want to download their own oxygen or use a different type of trees.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I'm waiting for the EU to sue God because he made the Earth proprietary.
Plus he didnt give its users a choice lol
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Andre Buenger wrote:
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box
And for the ones who make white boxes?
Andre Buenger wrote:
Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software
So now we are back to paying for something that is already coming free? Has nobody heard of UNINSTALL????? If you dont like it, dont use it. What is so hard about that? Also, why shouldnt Microsoft be able to distribute their free software bundled with software you buy? They arnt forcing you to use it, they are providing it as a convienience.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Thunderbox666 wrote:
So now we are back to paying for something that is already coming free?
Actually Andre could just have said that OEMs can bundle alternative browsers, so the end users still don't pay anything.
Kevin
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Andre Buenger wrote:
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box
And for the ones who make white boxes?
Andre Buenger wrote:
Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software
So now we are back to paying for something that is already coming free? Has nobody heard of UNINSTALL????? If you dont like it, dont use it. What is so hard about that? Also, why shouldnt Microsoft be able to distribute their free software bundled with software you buy? They arnt forcing you to use it, they are providing it as a convienience.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
Thunderbox666 wrote:
Has nobody heard of UNINSTALL????? If you dont like it, dont use it. What is so hard about that?
IE can't be uninstalled. Yeah, you can choose to remove the icon from the desktop.
Thunderbox666 wrote:
Also, why shouldnt Microsoft be able to distribute their free software bundled with software you buy? They arnt forcing you to use it, they are providing it as a convienience.
IE isn't free. You pay the IE taxes with every copy of Windows.
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Thunderbox666 wrote:
So now we are back to paying for something that is already coming free?
Actually Andre could just have said that OEMs can bundle alternative browsers, so the end users still don't pay anything.
Kevin
Read my entire post. I was saying that its not free for people who build their own machines. They either have to download it (and without a preinstalled browser, they would have to use FTP or similar) or BUY the cd with it on it. I dont see why anyone would complain about free software (as crap as it is!!). Without it, setting up a computer would be a lot more difficult.
"There are three sides to every story. Yours, mine and the truth" ~ unknown
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Christian Graus wrote:
But, they are all free NOT to. If they didn't get IE with the box, how would they download Firefox ?
The internet is not the only way distribute software. Most people buy a PC out of the box, so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box. Also almost every PC magazine nowadays comes with a DVD every month with the latest and greatest software.
Andre Buenger wrote:
so the vendor can put a DVD with a kind of software in the box.
Come on now. If Dell and friends had to bundle a browser, instead of MS doing the bundling, they'd choose the browser most people are already familiar with...IE. :doh: (I say that as an enthusiastic FF user.)
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