Windows 7 “Milestone 1” (M1) has been shipped to “key partners”
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Several industry sources have confirmed to TG Daily that a very early version of Windows 7, previously code-named Blackcomb Vienna, already has been shipped to “key partners” as a “Milestone 1” (M1) code drop for validation purposes. A roadmap received by TG Daily indicates that the new operating system will be introduced in the second half of 2009. http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/35641/118[^]
Given the bad press Vista has got, Microsoft is forced to release out the next version soon. Basically, they will simply call Vista SP2 "Windows 7" and demand money for it.
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Sorry, but there's no way in heck this is possible.
Everything is possible :) Plenty of old VMS and DEC guys are still there.. Plenty of new C style, static code analysis R&D has been done (earlier than type-safe runtimes ever saw it, incredible stuff). Meanwhile, look at the state of the industry, BAE off to Oracle (Java bloat and more abstract leakage APIs that do, well, pretty much nothing but generate IT support costs). MySQL to Sun, BerkleyDB to Oracle, MS open-sourcing (oh well only under that Referential nonsense licence) .NET, response to Java going open-source.. The industry is changing shape because costs cuts are just beginning. Resources are precious and R&D must start producing harder and faster. And then you'll see hardware cost cutting that will impact new runtime bloated tech because it doesn't run well on it. MS is seeing it, just like Cicso see its sales forecasts so sharp and well ahead.. but it took sooo damn long. MS has been looking at all the new shapes and forms of cool Linux distros, Vista has plenty of those ideas inside. Hypervisor is coping the same first steps. Blackcomb is the one that was supposed to have that SQL server file system IIRC, although by the looks of it SQLite could have done the job :) And it will, on a new form factor PC, that cannot afford any bloat on it because it will be thin and dedicated to new input technologies, and tapping in service/cloud (Volta hype will look miserable under thin and cool Google architecture). Believe it, they are going thin, modular, and lean; but too little, too late. And too expensive for my liking as Linux now has, in quite a few cases, actually *more* software support from manufacturers; and is available as 'Windows 7' right now; with make. All results of being open.
modified on Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:19:44 PM
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Given the bad press Vista has got, Microsoft is forced to release out the next version soon. Basically, they will simply call Vista SP2 "Windows 7" and demand money for it.
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Basically, they will simply call Vista SP2 "Windows 7" and demand money for it.
Wow, that's quite a presumptuos statement. Does Steve Ballmer know that you've got a copy of his business plan? I'm sure he'll be interested.
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Or maybe Windows Vista Robert?
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That's probably the most nonsensical thing I've seen all day. And I've been reading CP all day... :wtf:
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Basically, they will simply call Vista SP2 "Windows 7" and demand money for it.
Wow, that's quite a presumptuos statement. Does Steve Ballmer know that you've got a copy of his business plan? I'm sure he'll be interested.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Wow, that's quite a presumptuos statement. Does Steve Ballmer know that you've got a copy of his business plan? I'm sure he'll be interested.
The Windows Division now just uses the business plan of the Developer Division. Instead of releasing Service Packs - which customers expect for free - just give it a new version number. How come we had 6 service packs for VC6 but for 2002, 2003 and 2005 they only released a single SP after the complaints became overwhelming? I guess they try the same now for Windows.
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Wow, that's quite a presumptuos statement. Does Steve Ballmer know that you've got a copy of his business plan? I'm sure he'll be interested.
The Windows Division now just uses the business plan of the Developer Division. Instead of releasing Service Packs - which customers expect for free - just give it a new version number. How come we had 6 service packs for VC6 but for 2002, 2003 and 2005 they only released a single SP after the complaints became overwhelming? I guess they try the same now for Windows.
VC6 had service packs because it was buggy. Vista is absolutely OMGWTFGODDAMN good. Have you ever seen anybody complaining about Vista? Don't look at the joke icon. No, really.
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VC6 had service packs because it was buggy. Vista is absolutely OMGWTFGODDAMN good. Have you ever seen anybody complaining about Vista? Don't look at the joke icon. No, really.
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Daniel Grunwald wrote:
Basically, they will simply call Vista SP2 "Windows 7" and demand money for it.
Wow, that's quite a presumptuos statement. Does Steve Ballmer know that you've got a copy of his business plan? I'm sure he'll be interested.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
I meant that Windows 7 will be to Vista like XP SP2 was to XP (except for the price, and that MS will once again change the UI theme; after all, every major Windows version must look differently :doh: ). Of course XP SP 2 was more than a usual service pack, so it's clear that we cannot expect this for every Windows version. But Vista could definitely use it.
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I meant that Windows 7 will be to Vista like XP SP2 was to XP (except for the price, and that MS will once again change the UI theme; after all, every major Windows version must look differently :doh: ). Of course XP SP 2 was more than a usual service pack, so it's clear that we cannot expect this for every Windows version. But Vista could definitely use it.
Daniel Grunwald wrote:
I meant that Windows 7 will be to Vista like XP SP2 was to XP (except for the price, and that MS will once again change the UI theme; after all, every major Windows version must look differently ).
I don't think there will be a huge UI update this time. They will keep the glass frame and probably only make small changes similar to VS2008 vs. VS2005. Everything else would be stupid.
modified on Thursday, January 17, 2008 4:54:41 PM
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Sorry, but there's no way in heck this is possible.
liquidplasmaflow wrote:
Sorry, but there's no way in heck this is possible.
Why not? :confused:
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Everything is possible :) Plenty of old VMS and DEC guys are still there.. Plenty of new C style, static code analysis R&D has been done (earlier than type-safe runtimes ever saw it, incredible stuff). Meanwhile, look at the state of the industry, BAE off to Oracle (Java bloat and more abstract leakage APIs that do, well, pretty much nothing but generate IT support costs). MySQL to Sun, BerkleyDB to Oracle, MS open-sourcing (oh well only under that Referential nonsense licence) .NET, response to Java going open-source.. The industry is changing shape because costs cuts are just beginning. Resources are precious and R&D must start producing harder and faster. And then you'll see hardware cost cutting that will impact new runtime bloated tech because it doesn't run well on it. MS is seeing it, just like Cicso see its sales forecasts so sharp and well ahead.. but it took sooo damn long. MS has been looking at all the new shapes and forms of cool Linux distros, Vista has plenty of those ideas inside. Hypervisor is coping the same first steps. Blackcomb is the one that was supposed to have that SQL server file system IIRC, although by the looks of it SQLite could have done the job :) And it will, on a new form factor PC, that cannot afford any bloat on it because it will be thin and dedicated to new input technologies, and tapping in service/cloud (Volta hype will look miserable under thin and cool Google architecture). Believe it, they are going thin, modular, and lean; but too little, too late. And too expensive for my liking as Linux now has, in quite a few cases, actually *more* software support from manufacturers; and is available as 'Windows 7' right now; with make. All results of being open.
modified on Thursday, January 17, 2008 3:19:44 PM
User of Users Group wrote:
Linux now has, in quite a few cases, actually *more* software support from manufacturers
Such as?
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User of Users Group wrote:
Linux now has, in quite a few cases, actually *more* software support from manufacturers
Such as?
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Developer Day Scotland Recent blog posts: * Follow up on hiring a software developer * The Value of Smaller Methods My website | blog
probably makers of embedded systems that don't have the HP to run a windows kernel.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull