What’s wrong with “Race condition” in India?
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Ilia Blank wrote:
Can it be that you are using different term in India?
Hillary vs. Obama? If they fail the "what is a race condition", ask them "what is SEX?" My answer would be "Security Enabled XML". Marc
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
Yes, they say "but it works on m computer" there :rolleyes:
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
I'd be surprised if a decent candidate hasn't heard of the term. My best guess is that the candidates did not get your accent. Sometimes Indians find it hard to understand a foreign accent, specially if the foreigner himself is not himself or herself a native English speaker. Although it might sound a little like you are being condescending, perhaps you could have tried spelling the words out. If the candidate is insulted, the good thing is that he's on the other side of the planet from you - so not much awkwardness there I guess. Of course, you might just have been interviewing the wrong candidates. If they are unemployed and are more than a month out of college/school, chances are good that they aren't very smart. in my opinion, the trick to hiring quality people in India is to hire people who already work for reputed companies. As my boss likes to say often, a lot of Indian programmers have "Indian programmer syndrome" and he does not mean that in a nice way either. You gotta find Indians who don't have IPS. They are out there, but they are hard to find.
Regards, Nish
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Ilia Blank wrote:
Can it be that you are using different term in India?
Hillary vs. Obama? If they fail the "what is a race condition", ask them "what is SEX?" My answer would be "Security Enabled XML". Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
If they fail the "what is a race condition", ask them "what is SEX?" My answer would be "Security Enabled XML".
Reminds me of a joke we had in school. Guy was filling in a form :- Name : Sebastian Age : 15 Sex : Not so far; but am in a constant struggle to change that.
Regards, Nish
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
Ilia Blank wrote:
None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India?
I thought "race condition" was a universal term computer people were familiar with when dealing with deadlocks, etc.
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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Ilia Blank wrote:
Can it be that you are using different term in India?
Hillary vs. Obama? If they fail the "what is a race condition", ask them "what is SEX?" My answer would be "Security Enabled XML". Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
"what is SEX?" My answer would be "Security Enabled XML".
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
"I guess it's what separates the professionals from the drag and drop, girly wirly, namby pamby, wishy washy, can't code for crap types." - Pete O'Hanlon
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
Ilia Blank wrote:
Can it be that you are using different term in India?
Yes it's called "Caste Problem?".
You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
Actually, to answer your question more seriously, a race condition is much more a hardware term than a software one. More here.[^] The equivalent of a race condition in software is not a deadlock but rather the reading/writing of the same data by two different threads. Locking is an attempt to prevent race conditions, and deadlocks are the result of improper locking. So, unless someone has some hardware experience, I'm not surprised that they wouldn't know the term "race condition". Marc
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I'd be surprised if a decent candidate hasn't heard of the term. My best guess is that the candidates did not get your accent. Sometimes Indians find it hard to understand a foreign accent, specially if the foreigner himself is not himself or herself a native English speaker. Although it might sound a little like you are being condescending, perhaps you could have tried spelling the words out. If the candidate is insulted, the good thing is that he's on the other side of the planet from you - so not much awkwardness there I guess. Of course, you might just have been interviewing the wrong candidates. If they are unemployed and are more than a month out of college/school, chances are good that they aren't very smart. in my opinion, the trick to hiring quality people in India is to hire people who already work for reputed companies. As my boss likes to say often, a lot of Indian programmers have "Indian programmer syndrome" and he does not mean that in a nice way either. You gotta find Indians who don't have IPS. They are out there, but they are hard to find.
Regards, Nish
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My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
If they are unemployed and are more than a month out of college/school, chances are good that they aren't very smart.
Now there's some interesting conclusions to be drawn from that statement. :-D There's a lot riding on that "and". :-D Marc
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
If they are unemployed and are more than a month out of college/school, chances are good that they aren't very smart.
Now there's some interesting conclusions to be drawn from that statement. :-D There's a lot riding on that "and". :-D Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Now there's some interesting conclusions to be drawn from that statement. There's a lot riding on that "and".
Yeah, job openings easily out-weigh the number of qualified candidates. My sister finished her computer sci degree 2 years ago and had 3 solid job offers even before she finished her final semester.
Regards, Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Now there's some interesting conclusions to be drawn from that statement. There's a lot riding on that "and".
Yeah, job openings easily out-weigh the number of qualified candidates. My sister finished her computer sci degree 2 years ago and had 3 solid job offers even before she finished her final semester.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
My sister finished her computer sci degree 2 years ago and had 3 solid job offers even before she finished her final semester.
Interesting! But she must also be good. Marc
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
My sister finished her computer sci degree 2 years ago and had 3 solid job offers even before she finished her final semester.
Interesting! But she must also be good. Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
Interesting! But she must also be good.
Academically, she was good. But she wasn't all that much into programming. The company she joined offered a 2 month training to all their new employees. So they weren't expected to have real world experience. The candidates are just expected to have decent learning abilities. A side effect of this abundance of jobs is that even kids who are not remotely interested in pursuing a computer related career are still strongly pushed into doing computer science courses by their parents and other near ones.
Regards, Nish
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Marc Clifton wrote:
Interesting! But she must also be good.
Academically, she was good. But she wasn't all that much into programming. The company she joined offered a 2 month training to all their new employees. So they weren't expected to have real world experience. The candidates are just expected to have decent learning abilities. A side effect of this abundance of jobs is that even kids who are not remotely interested in pursuing a computer related career are still strongly pushed into doing computer science courses by their parents and other near ones.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkNishant Sivakumar wrote:
A side effect of this abundance of jobs is that even kids who are not remotely interested in pursuing a computer related career are still strongly pushed into doing computer science courses by their parents and other near ones.
It used to be that way here. Expect a crash in that economy in 15-20 years, perhaps even sooner in today's more rapid paced environment. And especially sooner if the US economy nose dives, as it looks like it's about to do. Marc
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Actually, to answer your question more seriously, a race condition is much more a hardware term than a software one. More here.[^] The equivalent of a race condition in software is not a deadlock but rather the reading/writing of the same data by two different threads. Locking is an attempt to prevent race conditions, and deadlocks are the result of improper locking. So, unless someone has some hardware experience, I'm not surprised that they wouldn't know the term "race condition". Marc
"race condition" is used quite often in discussions of multithreading[^].
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Actually, to answer your question more seriously, a race condition is much more a hardware term than a software one. More here.[^] The equivalent of a race condition in software is not a deadlock but rather the reading/writing of the same data by two different threads. Locking is an attempt to prevent race conditions, and deadlocks are the result of improper locking. So, unless someone has some hardware experience, I'm not surprised that they wouldn't know the term "race condition". Marc
In almost all the introductions to multithreaded programming I've seen, they start with the race condition and then introduce critical sections, mutexes or semaphores as a way to prevent race conditions. If they claim to know about threads and don't know the term race condition they probably have just heard something like wrap shared data accesses in a lock statement, and don't have the proper theoretical background.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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In almost all the introductions to multithreaded programming I've seen, they start with the race condition and then introduce critical sections, mutexes or semaphores as a way to prevent race conditions. If they claim to know about threads and don't know the term race condition they probably have just heard something like wrap shared data accesses in a lock statement, and don't have the proper theoretical background.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
Andy Brummer wrote:
don't have the proper theoretical background.
I would say that's a given pretty much nowadays. Marc
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To all developers from India We are interviewing candidates for programming position in Hyderabad India. None of them is able to answer question "What is Race Condition". Can it be that you are using different term in India? Regards
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Nothing. If a candidate (Indian or otherwise) isn't able to answer the question, I would be inclined to believe they haven't done much multi-threaded programming.
I wonder if the OP's company is actually looking for a programmer to do some multithreading work. If not, it's a waste of time checking the candidate's abilities in areas he's not going to work on. Not having written multithreaded code does not automatically imply that a developer will be useless to a company. How many people write solid multi-threaded code anyway?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
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I'd be surprised if a decent candidate hasn't heard of the term. My best guess is that the candidates did not get your accent. Sometimes Indians find it hard to understand a foreign accent, specially if the foreigner himself is not himself or herself a native English speaker. Although it might sound a little like you are being condescending, perhaps you could have tried spelling the words out. If the candidate is insulted, the good thing is that he's on the other side of the planet from you - so not much awkwardness there I guess. Of course, you might just have been interviewing the wrong candidates. If they are unemployed and are more than a month out of college/school, chances are good that they aren't very smart. in my opinion, the trick to hiring quality people in India is to hire people who already work for reputed companies. As my boss likes to say often, a lot of Indian programmers have "Indian programmer syndrome" and he does not mean that in a nice way either. You gotta find Indians who don't have IPS. They are out there, but they are hard to find.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com linkIn a reverse example of this, I was interviewed in Australia by an Indian gentleman working for an IT company. I failed the interview because I could barely understand a word he said, and he took offense when I asked him politely to repeat several questions. Apparently I am responsible for understanding my workmates even if they have accents as thick as a persian rug. No racism intended, just an observation that accents can make communication very difficult from both sides of the equation. More on topic tho, I am only halfway through my degree and our very first programming subject included an explanation of 'race conditions' so I fail to see how a graduate could not know of them.
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Ravi Bhavnani wrote:
Nothing. If a candidate (Indian or otherwise) isn't able to answer the question, I would be inclined to believe they haven't done much multi-threaded programming.
I wonder if the OP's company is actually looking for a programmer to do some multithreading work. If not, it's a waste of time checking the candidate's abilities in areas he's not going to work on. Not having written multithreaded code does not automatically imply that a developer will be useless to a company. How many people write solid multi-threaded code anyway?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
My latest book : C++/CLI in Action / Amazon.com link