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    Chris Maunder
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    Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

    cheers, Chris Maunder

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      Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

      cheers, Chris Maunder

      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      Jorgen Sigvardsson
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      Torvalds is 99% hot air. Does anybody really listen to him anymore, other than his fanboys? :~

      -- Kein Mitleid Für Die Mehrheit

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        Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

        cheers, Chris Maunder

        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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        Jim Crafton
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        Chris Maunder wrote:

        OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for.

        I would agree with this at face value, but naturally, he gives no concrete examples, nor does he back up his issues with the FS. I do remember that when I got my Mac (a G4 tower with dual 867 PPC) back in 2003 that I used to think the filesystem behaved awfully slow, but I don't know if that was a problem with the OS, FS drivers, or the hardware itself. Also Mr Torvalds might try programming in Linux - if he thinks OS X is bad to program for, writing anything other than C based command line crap is an exercise in frustration on linux. And at least when I've finally gotten my program to run on OS X, I can rest easy in the knowledge that it will be easy to give to someone else and for them to run. Fat chance doing that on linux :)

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          Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Rama Krishna Vavilala
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          Having used OSX for more than a week, I have been totally impressed with it. So far I have not been affected by "crappy" file system and don't even now why it is crappy. The XCode tools in Mac seem to be nice and I find it on par with VS 2008. SO not sure what he is talking about. In fact the overall performance of MacOSX even the Virtual machines has been so good that I have been thoroughly impressed.

          You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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            Chris Maunder wrote:

            OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for.

            I would agree with this at face value, but naturally, he gives no concrete examples, nor does he back up his issues with the FS. I do remember that when I got my Mac (a G4 tower with dual 867 PPC) back in 2003 that I used to think the filesystem behaved awfully slow, but I don't know if that was a problem with the OS, FS drivers, or the hardware itself. Also Mr Torvalds might try programming in Linux - if he thinks OS X is bad to program for, writing anything other than C based command line crap is an exercise in frustration on linux. And at least when I've finally gotten my program to run on OS X, I can rest easy in the knowledge that it will be easy to give to someone else and for them to run. Fat chance doing that on linux :)

            ¡El diablo está en mis pantalones! ¡Mire, mire! Real Mentats use only 100% pure, unfooled around with Sapho Juice(tm)! SELECT * FROM User WHERE Clue > 0 0 rows returned Save an Orange - Use the VCF! VCF Blog

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            namedpipes
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            Jim Crafton wrote:

            Also Mr Torvalds might try programming in Linux - if he thinks OS X is bad to program for, writing anything other than C based command line crap is an exercise in frustration on linux.

            Well, there is the off chance that Linus Torvalds may have done some programming on the Linux platform at one time or another. If you were just making a funny, that was pretty good! ;)

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              Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

              cheers, Chris Maunder

              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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              Todd Smith
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              I think he's refering to the journaling capabilites of OSX which are subpar. Apple was talking about going to zfs but have yet to do so. Running something like mysql on osx is a big no no for a production server.

              Todd Smith

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                Jim Crafton wrote:

                Also Mr Torvalds might try programming in Linux - if he thinks OS X is bad to program for, writing anything other than C based command line crap is an exercise in frustration on linux.

                Well, there is the off chance that Linus Torvalds may have done some programming on the Linux platform at one time or another. If you were just making a funny, that was pretty good! ;)

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                Stuart Dootson
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                Can you see Linus writing anything other than 'C based command line crap' or the Linux kernel? Nah, thought not. Linus named his SCM system 'git' for a reason - and that reason's name is Linus...

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                  Torvalds pans Apple with 'utter crap' putdown[^] I don't think they're equally flawed - I think Leopard is a much better system," he said. "(But) OS X in some ways is actually worse than Windows to program for. Their file system is complete and utter crap, which is scary

                  cheers, Chris Maunder

                  CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                  Stuart Dootson
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                  I don't think Apple support the developer as well as Microsoft - the default language, Objective C, is certainly not as advanced as, say, C#. However, I know which OS I'd rather use...

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                    I don't think Apple support the developer as well as Microsoft - the default language, Objective C, is certainly not as advanced as, say, C#. However, I know which OS I'd rather use...

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                    Define "advanced." I'm sure I could do anything in Objective-C that you could in C#.

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                      Define "advanced." I'm sure I could do anything in Objective-C that you could in C#.

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                      Stuart Dootson
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                      Implement a type-safe, generic container, please.

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