How to get a raise
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How to get a raise? Have compromising pictures of the boss. I never get a raise - although as I own the company, I don't know who to appeal to. Actually, I employ a quarterly appraisal scheme where staff get a chance for a payrise every quarter. If they go above and beyond they can really get a rise every three months.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Wow! :omg: Where do I send you my CV? I'll pay for relocation myself!
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
ramhog wrote:
Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for?
Either that or to get promoted within the same company. Significant salary increases while staying in the same position/title seem to be pretty rare.
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
Get a govi job. Doesn't matter which country, they all get yearly raises.
MrPlankton
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
It is in my experience that a company will NEVER give you more than the least they feel they can get by with. In other words, if they think they can give you 3 or 4% and you'll "be ok with it", then that's exactly what they are going to do. If you feel you've gone above and beyond, then you need to make a case for the salary increase; don't just say "I'm worth it". Why are you worth it? Did the last project you worked on net the company millions? Save the company millions? Does the industry pay someone with your skill level MORE? If so, how much more? Etc... Also, if you're going to do this, be proactive and also point out any flaws; don't leave it up to your boss to go find them ... if you present all the pros/cons and have an honest case, it will be far more difficult for them to turn you down. My two cents.
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Wow! :omg: Where do I send you my CV? I'll pay for relocation myself!
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Wow! Where do I send you my CV? I'll pay for relocation myself!
You've gone solo now. You don't need me. BTW - this is the reason I have very low staff turnover.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Wow! :omg: Where do I send you my CV? I'll pay for relocation myself!
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Pete didn't mention that he has a really high staff turn over... practically every quarter it's all change. Do you really want to be added to the list of the fallen testing out O'Hanlon brand Arctic Survival wear? :)
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Pete didn't mention that he has a really high staff turn over... practically every quarter it's all change. Do you really want to be added to the list of the fallen testing out O'Hanlon brand Arctic Survival wear? :)
martin_hughes wrote:
Pete didn't mention that he has a really high staff turn over... practically every quarter it's all change. Do you really want to be added to the list of the fallen testing out O'Hanlon brand Arctic Survival wear?
:laugh: "Right lads. The pay rise goes to whoever survives for 48 hours in a Newcastle shirt and shorts."
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa wrote:
Wow! Where do I send you my CV? I'll pay for relocation myself!
You've gone solo now. You don't need me. BTW - this is the reason I have very low staff turnover.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
this is the reason I have very low staff turnover.
Good tactics.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
You've gone solo now.
Yes I have my friend and I don't regret the decision not one bit. Its amazing what I've learned in such a short time and none of it technical. One thing though, its a serious PITA dealing with some of these clients. The stories I could tell you and I haven't been going solo for long! :sigh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Pete didn't mention that he has a really high staff turn over... practically every quarter it's all change. Do you really want to be added to the list of the fallen testing out O'Hanlon brand Arctic Survival wear? :)
:laugh::laugh: I can see it!
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
this is the reason I have very low staff turnover.
Good tactics.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
You've gone solo now.
Yes I have my friend and I don't regret the decision not one bit. Its amazing what I've learned in such a short time and none of it technical. One thing though, its a serious PITA dealing with some of these clients. The stories I could tell you and I haven't been going solo for long! :sigh:
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
I must admit that I have given some thought to writing an article on the "softer side". In other words, dealing with clients, winning work, that type of thing.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
when you get the new job, it's generally a good idea to negotiate a pay raise based on something measurable you do and get them to agree with that upon being hired. this is in the situation where you have time to wait for the job/pay you want.
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
I could start "it goes without saying", but that of course would be wrong since it isn't said often enough. A 10% raise, more time off or one off perks/bonuses are far cheaper for the company at hand then losing an employee. Many studies have shown this, most (decent) managers know this. In the end it's in the managers interest to give you as low a raise as possible, as it should be. It's in your best interest to point out the overlooked obvious above. In the end you get what you ask for. Remember an annual review is not a dictation, it's a negotiation.
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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I must admit that I have given some thought to writing an article on the "softer side". In other words, dealing with clients, winning work, that type of thing.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
That would be one article that I would positively kill for.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
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How to get a raise? Have compromising pictures of the boss. I never get a raise - although as I own the company, I don't know who to appeal to. Actually, I employ a quarterly appraisal scheme where staff get a chance for a payrise every quarter. If they go above and beyond they can really get a rise every three months.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I never get a raise - although as I own the company
I think you need to take yourself out for lunch and talk over the issue with yourself. You wouldn't want youself walking out of your own company, now would you?
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
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Get a govi job. Doesn't matter which country, they all get yearly raises.
MrPlankton
MrPlankton wrote:
Get a govi job. Doesn't matter which country, they all get yearly raises.
No amount of money is worth the mind-numbing, skill-atrophying, technologically stagnant, backstabbing Hell that is government employment. I'm just glad I got out with most of my sanity and enough remaining skills to still be employable.
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That would be one article that I would positively kill for.
"Every time Lotus Notes starts up, somewhere a puppy, a kitten, a lamb, and a baby seal are killed. Lotus Notes is a conspiracy by the forces of Satan to drive us over the brink into madness. The CRC-32 for each file in the installation includes the numbers 666." Gary Wheeler "The secret to a long and healthy life is simple. Don't get ill and don't die." Pete O'Hanlon, courtesy of Rama "I realised that all of my best anecdotes started with "So there we were, pissed". Pete O'Hanlon
Done. I started one a while back - so I'll dust it off. The problem is - this is a very big topic. Very big. Others have done this topic, so I need to give it a unique angle in order to keep your interest. Here's a quick excerpt from it: "So you want to go it alone? You’re sick of the daily grind and office politics, and you think that you have the chops to earn more money through selling your skills. Before you take the plunge though, you need to be aware that being your own boss demands a whole set of skills that you might not necessarily have. This article will attempt to give you a glimpse of what you will need in order to succeed. Disclaimer This article will not guarantee success. It is not intended to replace all the hours that you are going to have to work in order to develop your client base. The role of marketing. I hate to say this, but you are going to have to learn how to market your skills. Before now you’ve probably looked down on marketing and you may think that they have an easy job. It’s time for a reality check here – marketing is a very difficult, demanding job that requires a set of soft skills that a lot of developers don’t have. The first thing that you are going to have to be aware of, when marketing yourself, is the fact that first impressions are paramount. I’ve seen far too many people shoot themselves in the foot thinking that they can recover from a stuttering start and that clients will be impressed by a mess of jargon. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Clients are impressed by a confident, clear expression of ideas and intent. Here’s a little test for you. Get somebody you know to ask you why they should hire you. You have 60 seconds on the clock – and go. It’s not easy, is it? Fortunately, practice does make perfect – so tape what you say and analyse it. Listen for the umms and aahs, and the bits where you have entered “waffle mode”. Repeat the exercise until you can do this without any prevarication or hesitation and you have your opening “speech” for potential clients. Next – marketing is about listening to what your customers want and then giving them what they need. If they don’t see the need as being there, it’s your job to get them to recognise that need. What client’s normally want is rocket science software for free – it’s up to you to work out what they need and then get them to come to you with this. Successful marketing is also about the long term. Which do you think is better, getting the client to agree to one campaign that’s worth 50K or ge
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Is it just me or does it seem like the only way to get a sizeable raise is to change who you work for? I get the max raise provided by the company, which is usually just under inflation. But, I don't get a merit raise unless I quite and go to work somewhere else. Does anyone else find this to be true? If it is, what is required to change this? I hear people in different careers talk about the same thing so it isn't just my profession.
Only 1 way, resign. Tell them it was about money and another company will pay what you are worth. Go to the other company. If your current company wants you they will counter, if not then thats it. If you don't have another offer, then perhaps, you are being paid what you are worth. Remember, a raise works both ways. If you don't offer enough to justify the money then there is no real point for the company. How has the night school been coming with the MBA? ...
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
I never get a raise - although as I own the company
I think you need to take yourself out for lunch and talk over the issue with yourself. You wouldn't want youself walking out of your own company, now would you?
I'm largely language agnostic
After a while they all bug me :doh:
MidwestLimey wrote:
You wouldn't want youself walking out of your own company, now would you?
There've been times I tell you. There've been times.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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Only 1 way, resign. Tell them it was about money and another company will pay what you are worth. Go to the other company. If your current company wants you they will counter, if not then thats it. If you don't have another offer, then perhaps, you are being paid what you are worth. Remember, a raise works both ways. If you don't offer enough to justify the money then there is no real point for the company. How has the night school been coming with the MBA? ...
Need a C# Consultant? I'm available.
Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest HemingwayThat doesn't really work though. If you're worth the money then you shouldn't have to wait on the company offering you a raise just because you've resigned. Any company that does this is just taking the p!ss.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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That doesn't really work though. If you're worth the money then you shouldn't have to wait on the company offering you a raise just because you've resigned. Any company that does this is just taking the p!ss.
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
What leverage does an employee have? An idle threat? Don't come to the table without a significant amount of leverage in your favor. It is up to the reader to determine the appropriateness of the leverage required.
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Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know. -- Ernest Hemingway