Anti-teen device?
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"What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children?" BBC article[^]. I laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
Similar to what Digital Man said. When I were young there existed places such as youth clubs, scouts, and so on where kids could congregate and have fun without causing harm or potential harm to anyone. Youth clubs were generally closed because they were expensive to run, scouting became out-of-fashion but kids still need to be catered for. Nobody caters for them consequently they make their own fun all of this without adult supervision. So they congregate around shops. Shouting, spitting, and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Shoppers can and do feel threatened by largish groups of youths, as do shopkeepers. Police are often called to break-up such groups, after a while, the Police go to their next job, and the youths re-congregate. So this continues day after day. Thus the charge of Anti-social behaviour. Kids are bored. They have no supervised activities to keep their interest and to keep them off the streets. Spending money on supervised activities will go along way to alleviate the problem but local authorities have little if none spare cash for that. Shops wishing to reduce the congregating of youths, thus protecting their businesses, do try different things. Use of sonic speakers that emit an annoying noise that apparantly only below around 25 years can hear do, to some extent, persuade youngsters to move away. But that only moves the kids away from the front of the shop to another place. The solution - give kids something to do that stops them being bored. It will cost money. It will need dedicated adults to supervise such activities.
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digital man wrote:
In essence there are gangs of children running wild on our streets and no one to stop them.
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
digital man wrote:
The morons quoted in the article are manifestly failing to address the real problem which is the disastrous soical policy pushed by liberal lefties who have never even been near to one of these council estates where these kids rule.
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
73Zeppelin wrote:
What's the root cause of that?
Bad parenting to start with: basically parents that don't give a toss about their kids or who ar etoo scared of them and there is no one to step in and help. Also, see Mr Abbotts post below which is also spot on.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
Precisely.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What's the root cause of that?
Bad parenting to start with: basically parents that don't give a toss about their kids or who ar etoo scared of them and there is no one to step in and help. Also, see Mr Abbotts post below which is also spot on.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
Precisely.
digital man wrote:
Bad parenting to start with: basically parents that don't give a toss about their kids
An education issue ? I also wonder if the re-introduction of some kind of National Service would resolve some of these problems. May be I am looking through rose-tinted glasses, but I don't recall such problems when Britain had a National Service requirement.
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Similar to what Digital Man said. When I were young there existed places such as youth clubs, scouts, and so on where kids could congregate and have fun without causing harm or potential harm to anyone. Youth clubs were generally closed because they were expensive to run, scouting became out-of-fashion but kids still need to be catered for. Nobody caters for them consequently they make their own fun all of this without adult supervision. So they congregate around shops. Shouting, spitting, and generally making a nuisance of themselves. Shoppers can and do feel threatened by largish groups of youths, as do shopkeepers. Police are often called to break-up such groups, after a while, the Police go to their next job, and the youths re-congregate. So this continues day after day. Thus the charge of Anti-social behaviour. Kids are bored. They have no supervised activities to keep their interest and to keep them off the streets. Spending money on supervised activities will go along way to alleviate the problem but local authorities have little if none spare cash for that. Shops wishing to reduce the congregating of youths, thus protecting their businesses, do try different things. Use of sonic speakers that emit an annoying noise that apparantly only below around 25 years can hear do, to some extent, persuade youngsters to move away. But that only moves the kids away from the front of the shop to another place. The solution - give kids something to do that stops them being bored. It will cost money. It will need dedicated adults to supervise such activities.
When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why? Because we were educated this way. Of course, we were not angels and made some stupid things. However they stayed well below today's destructions and aggressions, because the limits imposed on us were more strict. So, children do stupid things? Blame the parents.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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"What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children?" BBC article[^]. I laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
73Zeppelin wrote:
laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
Er, just pop over to England and hang out on a street corner in an average housing estate and you will soon see why these devices are needed.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why? Because we were educated this way. Of course, we were not angels and made some stupid things. However they stayed well below today's destructions and aggressions, because the limits imposed on us were more strict. So, children do stupid things? Blame the parents.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
Blame the parents
Yep, I agree. I live in a small village in Norfolk UK with limited youth friendly facilities. Without any shadow of a doubt I can tell you exactly what my children got up to as I take my responsibilities as a parent seriously. Shame I can't say the same for my neighbours.
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When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why? Because we were educated this way. Of course, we were not angels and made some stupid things. However they stayed well below today's destructions and aggressions, because the limits imposed on us were more strict. So, children do stupid things? Blame the parents.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets.
Large, safe green areas for kids would do much to alleviate the problems facing urban youths (and the societies living around them). Given a chance to play outdoors daily I believe most kids would grow up a lot happier. Plus they'd have a chance to run their energy out instead of using it aggressively. A healthy diet containing the nutrients needed by their developing brains would go a long way too - the kind of food you most likely had growing up in the country. I'm not saying no fast food ever, but certainly a healthy amount of Omega-3 instead of trans fats daily would probably aid brain development. Unfortunately society seems to have evolved way ahead of our biology and sadly very few countries invest in their youth in the way that Sweden does.
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digital man wrote:
In essence there are gangs of children running wild on our streets and no one to stop them.
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
digital man wrote:
The morons quoted in the article are manifestly failing to address the real problem which is the disastrous soical policy pushed by liberal lefties who have never even been near to one of these council estates where these kids rule.
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
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"What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children?" BBC article[^]. I laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
Given also that several areas are trialing a "Switch Off the Street Lights Scheme" it seems inevitable that there will be more trouble. They councils are saying that no streets lights at night will be environmentally better. I disagree, they are doing it to save money, but they won't as they will have more crime and accidents to contend with, followed by lawsuits for switching the lights off! Are these people Mad? And it is telling that the Childrens Commissioner says the Mosquito is unfair, I bet he doesn't have feral gangs running around his home at night!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why? Because we were educated this way. Of course, we were not angels and made some stupid things. However they stayed well below today's destructions and aggressions, because the limits imposed on us were more strict. So, children do stupid things? Blame the parents.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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K(arl) wrote:
we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why?
Because you are not violent scum like most of the English.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Nah, the situation is the same in France
Jouir et faire jouir sans faire de mal ni à toi ni à personne, voilà je crois le fondement de toute morale Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
Englishness.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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K(arl) wrote:
When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets.
Large, safe green areas for kids would do much to alleviate the problems facing urban youths (and the societies living around them). Given a chance to play outdoors daily I believe most kids would grow up a lot happier. Plus they'd have a chance to run their energy out instead of using it aggressively. A healthy diet containing the nutrients needed by their developing brains would go a long way too - the kind of food you most likely had growing up in the country. I'm not saying no fast food ever, but certainly a healthy amount of Omega-3 instead of trans fats daily would probably aid brain development. Unfortunately society seems to have evolved way ahead of our biology and sadly very few countries invest in their youth in the way that Sweden does.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
Englishness.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Given also that several areas are trialing a "Switch Off the Street Lights Scheme" it seems inevitable that there will be more trouble. They councils are saying that no streets lights at night will be environmentally better. I disagree, they are doing it to save money, but they won't as they will have more crime and accidents to contend with, followed by lawsuits for switching the lights off! Are these people Mad? And it is telling that the Childrens Commissioner says the Mosquito is unfair, I bet he doesn't have feral gangs running around his home at night!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unlike Australia, there is not much spare green areas in the over-populated UK.
A huge problem :(. Actually, I can't understand why the entire British population didn't uproot and move here while they had the chance. Not that I'm complaining - water restrictions are pretty tight around here even with a small population :rolleyes:
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fat_boy wrote:
Englishness.
The same (or similar) problems exist in other countries, so I don't think Englishness is the root cause.
Johnny ² wrote:
The same (or similar) problems exist in other countries, so I don't think Englishness is the root cause.
Really, there is something quite unique about the level of stupid, brutal, thugisnhess one finds in England.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What's the root cause of that?
Bad parenting to start with: basically parents that don't give a toss about their kids or who ar etoo scared of them and there is no one to step in and help. Also, see Mr Abbotts post below which is also spot on.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
Precisely.
But what about your open source morality? Why isn't that helping out? You've assured me that is all civilization needs to be stable.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unlike Australia, there is not much spare green areas in the over-populated UK.
A huge problem :(. Actually, I can't understand why the entire British population didn't uproot and move here while they had the chance. Not that I'm complaining - water restrictions are pretty tight around here even with a small population :rolleyes: