Anti-teen device?
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digital man wrote:
In essence there are gangs of children running wild on our streets and no one to stop them.
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
digital man wrote:
The morons quoted in the article are manifestly failing to address the real problem which is the disastrous soical policy pushed by liberal lefties who have never even been near to one of these council estates where these kids rule.
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
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"What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children?" BBC article[^]. I laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
Given also that several areas are trialing a "Switch Off the Street Lights Scheme" it seems inevitable that there will be more trouble. They councils are saying that no streets lights at night will be environmentally better. I disagree, they are doing it to save money, but they won't as they will have more crime and accidents to contend with, followed by lawsuits for switching the lights off! Are these people Mad? And it is telling that the Childrens Commissioner says the Mosquito is unfair, I bet he doesn't have feral gangs running around his home at night!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why? Because we were educated this way. Of course, we were not angels and made some stupid things. However they stayed well below today's destructions and aggressions, because the limits imposed on us were more strict. So, children do stupid things? Blame the parents.
Patriotism is when love of your own people comes first; nationalism, when hate for people other than your own comes first Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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K(arl) wrote:
we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why?
Because you are not violent scum like most of the English.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Nah, the situation is the same in France
Jouir et faire jouir sans faire de mal ni à toi ni à personne, voilà je crois le fondement de toute morale Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
Englishness.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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K(arl) wrote:
When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets.
Large, safe green areas for kids would do much to alleviate the problems facing urban youths (and the societies living around them). Given a chance to play outdoors daily I believe most kids would grow up a lot happier. Plus they'd have a chance to run their energy out instead of using it aggressively. A healthy diet containing the nutrients needed by their developing brains would go a long way too - the kind of food you most likely had growing up in the country. I'm not saying no fast food ever, but certainly a healthy amount of Omega-3 instead of trans fats daily would probably aid brain development. Unfortunately society seems to have evolved way ahead of our biology and sadly very few countries invest in their youth in the way that Sweden does.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
Englishness.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Given also that several areas are trialing a "Switch Off the Street Lights Scheme" it seems inevitable that there will be more trouble. They councils are saying that no streets lights at night will be environmentally better. I disagree, they are doing it to save money, but they won't as they will have more crime and accidents to contend with, followed by lawsuits for switching the lights off! Are these people Mad? And it is telling that the Childrens Commissioner says the Mosquito is unfair, I bet he doesn't have feral gangs running around his home at night!
------------------------------------ I try to appear cooler, by calling him Euler.
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unlike Australia, there is not much spare green areas in the over-populated UK.
A huge problem :(. Actually, I can't understand why the entire British population didn't uproot and move here while they had the chance. Not that I'm complaining - water restrictions are pretty tight around here even with a small population :rolleyes:
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fat_boy wrote:
Englishness.
The same (or similar) problems exist in other countries, so I don't think Englishness is the root cause.
Johnny ² wrote:
The same (or similar) problems exist in other countries, so I don't think Englishness is the root cause.
Really, there is something quite unique about the level of stupid, brutal, thugisnhess one finds in England.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What's the root cause of that?
Bad parenting to start with: basically parents that don't give a toss about their kids or who ar etoo scared of them and there is no one to step in and help. Also, see Mr Abbotts post below which is also spot on.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
Precisely.
But what about your open source morality? Why isn't that helping out? You've assured me that is all civilization needs to be stable.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Unlike Australia, there is not much spare green areas in the over-populated UK.
A huge problem :(. Actually, I can't understand why the entire British population didn't uproot and move here while they had the chance. Not that I'm complaining - water restrictions are pretty tight around here even with a small population :rolleyes:
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But what about your open source morality? Why isn't that helping out? You've assured me that is all civilization needs to be stable.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
Indeed it is but these are mostly christian youth spilling out of inner city churches...
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Indeed it is but these are mostly christian youth spilling out of inner city churches...
Odd that the problem of hooligan christians was ignored for so long than , eh?
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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K(arl) wrote:
we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets. Why?
Because you are not violent scum like most of the English.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Because you are not violent scum like most of the English.
Bullshit. Just because you used to live in a shit-hole doesn't mean the rest of the country is as bad. And didn't you used to be one of those scumbags when you were younger fat_boy? I seem to recall tales of a feckless youth racing cars around and getting into trouble with the law. If so, then it's a bit rich to sound off about it when it would seem you used to be part of the fucking problem. However, you grew up and calmed down like the rest of us no?
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Odd that the problem of hooligan christians was ignored for so long than , eh?
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
You lost me there Stan.
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K(arl) wrote:
When I was a kid I lived in the countryside. No youth clubs, no scouts, no organized activities. Nonetheless, we did not destroy everything, we did not spit on people in the streets.
Large, safe green areas for kids would do much to alleviate the problems facing urban youths (and the societies living around them). Given a chance to play outdoors daily I believe most kids would grow up a lot happier. Plus they'd have a chance to run their energy out instead of using it aggressively. A healthy diet containing the nutrients needed by their developing brains would go a long way too - the kind of food you most likely had growing up in the country. I'm not saying no fast food ever, but certainly a healthy amount of Omega-3 instead of trans fats daily would probably aid brain development. Unfortunately society seems to have evolved way ahead of our biology and sadly very few countries invest in their youth in the way that Sweden does.
Megan Forbes wrote:
Large, safe green areas for kids would do much to alleviate the problems facing urban youths (and the societies living around them). Given a chance to play outdoors daily I believe most kids would grow up a lot happier. Plus they'd have a chance to run their energy out instead of using it aggressively. A healthy diet containing the nutrients needed by their developing brains would go a long way too - the kind of food you most likely had growing up in the country.
I live in a beach-side "village" in Australia. The parents are affluent and the kids don't lack for opportunities for exercise or anything else. I was talking to the owner of the local bread shop a couple of days ago. They regularly get hassled by local youths who are out and about at 2am on a regular basis. When I entered the bread shop, one of the kids who hassles them (he looked about 10) was there with his mother, who apparently knew nothing about what he gets up to. If the shop owners say anything to the kids, the kids just tell them to fuck off. There is an informal memorial by the side of the road leading out of the village where a car ran off the road, killing one of the occupants. The bread shop owner saw the four youthful occupants just before they drove off in the early hours of the morning --- all drunk. Interestingly enough, if you stop and look at the memorial, you will see (alongside photos and such) liquor bottles scattered all around. This is part of their tribute, you see, a celebration of the culture of drunkenness that led to the death. I'm sure there are lots of great kids with great parents. But some parents are doing a crappy job and it shows.
John Carson
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"What type of society uses a low-level sonic weapon on its children?" BBC article[^]. I laughed at this at first and then thought "what the hell?!!?". Just what is going on over there in England? Sharia law discussions, anti-teen devices, telling people they have "anti-social behaviour"? Are you guys in big trouble over there, or what?
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digital man wrote:
In essence there are gangs of children running wild on our streets and no one to stop them.
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
digital man wrote:
The morons quoted in the article are manifestly failing to address the real problem which is the disastrous soical policy pushed by liberal lefties who have never even been near to one of these council estates where these kids rule.
I figured that social something-or-other would be behind it. In addition to social policy, it also sounds like the parents of these children are being irresponsible too. And that's another problem unto itself.
73Zeppelin wrote:
I got that impression. What's the root cause of that?
Adults *refusung* to be adults. Society-as-a-whole letting human-hating lefties destroy the very society that humans need to live and flourish. People who ask about "root causes" but never *look* at human reality. People who still buy into anti-human leftist propagada for the very policies that cause these problems.