The most enlightening conversation ever!
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*This is computer related, but definitely worth sharing here. This little conversation between me and a friend of mine (who is a J2EE struts programmer, yes) should be entertaining. I urge you to read the whole thing* Dude: What are you doing? Me: Learning some basic javascript. Dude: Cool. So what does this stuff do? Me: It's a textbox with a button next to it. Write something, click the button, and it gets copied to the clipboard. Dude: Sounds nice. Show me? Me: Sure So, I write Hello World into the text box, click the button, the text gets copied to the clipboard. I open the run dialog, do a ctrl+v and the text gets pasted. Yay! But my dear friend is unimpressed. Dude: It didn't work. Me: (bewildered)What????? How???? Dude: Where's the clipboard? Me: What clipboard? Dude: You said it will copy the text to a clipboard. But it didn't? Me: Are you kidding? I just pasted the text into the run dialog! Didn't you notice? Here, I show him again, step by step, by changing the text to "Notice Carefully". Everything works out fine as usual. I repeat 3 more times with different texts, and everything is good. Dude: (unamused) See, it isn't working. Now I started digging deeper. Seeing the guy completely serious and unamused, I asked: Me: What didn't work? Dude: The clipboard. It's not there? Me: Ok, you tell me.....where should it be? Dude: On the side I guess? Haven't you seen it in Word and Excel? Me: .................... ........ What? Are you serious or joking? Dude: Why? Isn't that how the clipboard works? It's not showing on your webpage. Me: (almost in tears) Microsoft........I have a score to settle with you. Dude: (still unconvinced, unamused). In Word and Excel, it shows on the side with the item on top and many previous items below it. Me: (hopelessly) Thanks for the information, enlightening. Do you understand what the windows clipboard is? Dude: (suspicious now) What windows clipboard? Windows........clipboard? Me: (I'm trying my best to keep cool and clam). Have you ever copy pasted text in applications other than Word/Excel and other office tools? Dude: (thinks hard) Me: No? Dude: (Still thinking hard, and not willing to agree) Me: Notepad? Wordpad? Run Dialog? Internet Explorer? Dude: (completely reluctant to agree) So? Me: So how did text get copy pasted in those applications? Dude: I don't know........I'm confused. But your page isn't working. Me: (in a state of controlled rage) Ok, I'll try to make it work. Thanks. Is there anythi
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*This is computer related, but definitely worth sharing here. This little conversation between me and a friend of mine (who is a J2EE struts programmer, yes) should be entertaining. I urge you to read the whole thing* Dude: What are you doing? Me: Learning some basic javascript. Dude: Cool. So what does this stuff do? Me: It's a textbox with a button next to it. Write something, click the button, and it gets copied to the clipboard. Dude: Sounds nice. Show me? Me: Sure So, I write Hello World into the text box, click the button, the text gets copied to the clipboard. I open the run dialog, do a ctrl+v and the text gets pasted. Yay! But my dear friend is unimpressed. Dude: It didn't work. Me: (bewildered)What????? How???? Dude: Where's the clipboard? Me: What clipboard? Dude: You said it will copy the text to a clipboard. But it didn't? Me: Are you kidding? I just pasted the text into the run dialog! Didn't you notice? Here, I show him again, step by step, by changing the text to "Notice Carefully". Everything works out fine as usual. I repeat 3 more times with different texts, and everything is good. Dude: (unamused) See, it isn't working. Now I started digging deeper. Seeing the guy completely serious and unamused, I asked: Me: What didn't work? Dude: The clipboard. It's not there? Me: Ok, you tell me.....where should it be? Dude: On the side I guess? Haven't you seen it in Word and Excel? Me: .................... ........ What? Are you serious or joking? Dude: Why? Isn't that how the clipboard works? It's not showing on your webpage. Me: (almost in tears) Microsoft........I have a score to settle with you. Dude: (still unconvinced, unamused). In Word and Excel, it shows on the side with the item on top and many previous items below it. Me: (hopelessly) Thanks for the information, enlightening. Do you understand what the windows clipboard is? Dude: (suspicious now) What windows clipboard? Windows........clipboard? Me: (I'm trying my best to keep cool and clam). Have you ever copy pasted text in applications other than Word/Excel and other office tools? Dude: (thinks hard) Me: No? Dude: (Still thinking hard, and not willing to agree) Me: Notepad? Wordpad? Run Dialog? Internet Explorer? Dude: (completely reluctant to agree) So? Me: So how did text get copy pasted in those applications? Dude: I don't know........I'm confused. But your page isn't working. Me: (in a state of controlled rage) Ok, I'll try to make it work. Thanks. Is there anythi
Did you try using Clipboard Viewer (clipbrd.exe)? Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/nebeker1.mspx[^] This should have been posted in Lounge itself and not in Soapbox.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
Did you try using Clipboard Viewer (clipbrd.exe)? Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/nebeker1.mspx[^] This should have been posted in Lounge itself and not in Soapbox.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonWith a moron like that? :doh: I think you missed the whole essence of the conversation? ;P Had I showed him the windows clipboard, he'd probably have said it's my self compiled exe.
ASP - AJAX is SEXY. PERIOD.
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*This is computer related, but definitely worth sharing here. This little conversation between me and a friend of mine (who is a J2EE struts programmer, yes) should be entertaining. I urge you to read the whole thing* Dude: What are you doing? Me: Learning some basic javascript. Dude: Cool. So what does this stuff do? Me: It's a textbox with a button next to it. Write something, click the button, and it gets copied to the clipboard. Dude: Sounds nice. Show me? Me: Sure So, I write Hello World into the text box, click the button, the text gets copied to the clipboard. I open the run dialog, do a ctrl+v and the text gets pasted. Yay! But my dear friend is unimpressed. Dude: It didn't work. Me: (bewildered)What????? How???? Dude: Where's the clipboard? Me: What clipboard? Dude: You said it will copy the text to a clipboard. But it didn't? Me: Are you kidding? I just pasted the text into the run dialog! Didn't you notice? Here, I show him again, step by step, by changing the text to "Notice Carefully". Everything works out fine as usual. I repeat 3 more times with different texts, and everything is good. Dude: (unamused) See, it isn't working. Now I started digging deeper. Seeing the guy completely serious and unamused, I asked: Me: What didn't work? Dude: The clipboard. It's not there? Me: Ok, you tell me.....where should it be? Dude: On the side I guess? Haven't you seen it in Word and Excel? Me: .................... ........ What? Are you serious or joking? Dude: Why? Isn't that how the clipboard works? It's not showing on your webpage. Me: (almost in tears) Microsoft........I have a score to settle with you. Dude: (still unconvinced, unamused). In Word and Excel, it shows on the side with the item on top and many previous items below it. Me: (hopelessly) Thanks for the information, enlightening. Do you understand what the windows clipboard is? Dude: (suspicious now) What windows clipboard? Windows........clipboard? Me: (I'm trying my best to keep cool and clam). Have you ever copy pasted text in applications other than Word/Excel and other office tools? Dude: (thinks hard) Me: No? Dude: (Still thinking hard, and not willing to agree) Me: Notepad? Wordpad? Run Dialog? Internet Explorer? Dude: (completely reluctant to agree) So? Me: So how did text get copy pasted in those applications? Dude: I don't know........I'm confused. But your page isn't working. Me: (in a state of controlled rage) Ok, I'll try to make it work. Thanks. Is there anythi
Bulky Fellow wrote:
Is there anything I need to learn from this experience?
That communication is not as easy as it could seem.... and when somebody does not understand, then it was not well explained enough ;-P
The most wasted of all days is that on which one has not laughed Fold with us! ¤ flickr
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*This is computer related, but definitely worth sharing here. This little conversation between me and a friend of mine (who is a J2EE struts programmer, yes) should be entertaining. I urge you to read the whole thing* Dude: What are you doing? Me: Learning some basic javascript. Dude: Cool. So what does this stuff do? Me: It's a textbox with a button next to it. Write something, click the button, and it gets copied to the clipboard. Dude: Sounds nice. Show me? Me: Sure So, I write Hello World into the text box, click the button, the text gets copied to the clipboard. I open the run dialog, do a ctrl+v and the text gets pasted. Yay! But my dear friend is unimpressed. Dude: It didn't work. Me: (bewildered)What????? How???? Dude: Where's the clipboard? Me: What clipboard? Dude: You said it will copy the text to a clipboard. But it didn't? Me: Are you kidding? I just pasted the text into the run dialog! Didn't you notice? Here, I show him again, step by step, by changing the text to "Notice Carefully". Everything works out fine as usual. I repeat 3 more times with different texts, and everything is good. Dude: (unamused) See, it isn't working. Now I started digging deeper. Seeing the guy completely serious and unamused, I asked: Me: What didn't work? Dude: The clipboard. It's not there? Me: Ok, you tell me.....where should it be? Dude: On the side I guess? Haven't you seen it in Word and Excel? Me: .................... ........ What? Are you serious or joking? Dude: Why? Isn't that how the clipboard works? It's not showing on your webpage. Me: (almost in tears) Microsoft........I have a score to settle with you. Dude: (still unconvinced, unamused). In Word and Excel, it shows on the side with the item on top and many previous items below it. Me: (hopelessly) Thanks for the information, enlightening. Do you understand what the windows clipboard is? Dude: (suspicious now) What windows clipboard? Windows........clipboard? Me: (I'm trying my best to keep cool and clam). Have you ever copy pasted text in applications other than Word/Excel and other office tools? Dude: (thinks hard) Me: No? Dude: (Still thinking hard, and not willing to agree) Me: Notepad? Wordpad? Run Dialog? Internet Explorer? Dude: (completely reluctant to agree) So? Me: So how did text get copy pasted in those applications? Dude: I don't know........I'm confused. But your page isn't working. Me: (in a state of controlled rage) Ok, I'll try to make it work. Thanks. Is there anythi
I think there's a deeper meaning here: you failed at the "managing the user expectations" part. Every developer fails at it. I do fail at it every day. The worst part is when the "user" is my manager. :doh: Ultimately, I think we can't avoid failing in this thing, once in a while. "Managing the user expectations" is another way of saying "expect stupidity beyond your expectations".
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
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I think there's a deeper meaning here: you failed at the "managing the user expectations" part. Every developer fails at it. I do fail at it every day. The worst part is when the "user" is my manager. :doh: Ultimately, I think we can't avoid failing in this thing, once in a while. "Managing the user expectations" is another way of saying "expect stupidity beyond your expectations".
Of all forms of sexual aberration, the most unnatural is abstinence.
Good point and agreed. But would I be over-expecting if I assumed that a J2EE professional, dealing with struts, who has a degree in programming and basic computing, would know what the windows clipboard is and how it's different from the stack that office uses? I would have understood if it was a real user at the other end, but like I said, this guy himself is a programmer. So this was more than unexpected. My kid sis (does those terrible myspace like webpages) was able to figure the scenario and laughed her head off. :-\
ASP - AJAX is SEXY. PERIOD.
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Did you try using Clipboard Viewer (clipbrd.exe)? Source: http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/using/setup/learnmore/tips/nebeker1.mspx[^] This should have been posted in Lounge itself and not in Soapbox.
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonWtf VDK. Why are you serious here? It's a joke. I'll guess a hazard you're the J2EE programmer he's been talking about. :|
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Wtf VDK. Why are you serious here? It's a joke. I'll guess a hazard you're the J2EE programmer he's been talking about. :|
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
Why are you serious here? It's a joke.
Yup! I had a bit myopic view. Instead of seeing the caption as Soapbox, I saw it as Lounge. ;P ;)
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
J2EE programmer
Those who develop that grey colored dull application craps! :mad:
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson