Who is going to switch to VS 2008?
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
S Smerk wrote:
My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already.
While I didn't pay for VS2008, I would say there's a business case in the performance improvements that come with VS2008 that would justify the expenditure. (Gee, did I just win the daily buzzword bingo award?) Marc
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S Smerk wrote:
My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already.
While I didn't pay for VS2008, I would say there's a business case in the performance improvements that come with VS2008 that would justify the expenditure. (Gee, did I just win the daily buzzword bingo award?) Marc
Close. :laugh:
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
I hope to get the time to download VC 2008 express tomorrow, which will cost me precisely nothing, and I'll no doubt continue to use the full VS 2005 under my company purchased MSDN license until we install the in-the-price upgrade to VS 2008 which turned up the other day justifying what we paid for one of those 3 year license with upgrades deals. I certainly wouldn't pay out for VS while I can use it for free or while MS are giving away both the IDE and the backend compiler or while the Intel compiler is cheaper to buy or while their are numerous free C++ compilers out there to play with. Of course if you insist on falling for the charms of C# then it's going to cost you :laugh:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
If you're planning on upgrading because you want to do something new, such as WPF, then VS2008 is obviously a nice new option - if it were my hard cash, I'd go for the free Express Edition.... If you have an MSDN subscription at work, double check the small print. IIRC you are allowed 5 separate installations, one of which can be at home [as long as it's only you using it]. With MSDN, you already have access to VS2008.
Regards, Ray
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
Bought it. Switched to it. Love it.
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
S Smerk wrote:
o how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money?
Does it count if I own the company?
S Smerk wrote:
Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself?
I'd say that only 15-20 % of the code we produce is .net. A very small percentage of that is the typical enterprisey or IT support products. And, I haven't seen anything in the unmanaged realm of this VS release that makes me want to run out and pick it up. Granted, I haven't been looking too hard, I plan on doing some revisions to our platform & market research in March after I clear my plate a bit. So, I may change my mind.
S Smerk wrote:
My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already.
Yeah, the whole 2 year release cycle is starting to wear a bit thin on budgets for those who don't want or need MSDN or MS Partner subscriptions. It really is a conundrum for MS, on one hand they need to generate marketing buzz and revenue but, on the other hand they don't seem to bee addressing bugs and improvements to VS as they should IMHO.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
Already switched, actually switched about three months ago, though some of my clients still want projects done with VS2005, so I have to maintain both.
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
I bought vs2005 with my company's money which is my money and I'm waiting, there is no real need that I can see to upgrade. I used to keep an msdn universal subscription for many years until they frigged it all up a few years ago with all the team system crap and other changes at which point I took a hard look at what we really needed and decided it was far more cost effective to simply buy what we need when we need it off the shelf. It was a huge mistake for them to ditch the old universal subscription, I bet a *lot* of people at that point cancelled or downgraded their subscription and it probably cost MS a lot of developer revenue. If they wanted to lose revenue they should have kept the old system but dropped the price in half and made it easier for more developers to get on board.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
Have MSDN so have been evaluating for last few months it seems to be worth an upgrade if you have the $$s. Still using 2005 for production due to major deployment this month of in-house software but hope to switch in March or April. Love the fact that I can target .Net 2.0 vs 3.5 it will take a while for us to test and deploy 3.5 with over 10,000 pc in the enterprise we move slowly at times Dan
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S Smerk wrote:
My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already.
While I didn't pay for VS2008, I would say there's a business case in the performance improvements that come with VS2008 that would justify the expenditure. (Gee, did I just win the daily buzzword bingo award?) Marc
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
kindof a trick question, i am the sole employee of my company. but the company bought vs05 and vs08. we (The Company) still use VC6 for most of our C++ work, though. just one product has moved to VS05. i doubt we'll move any of them to VS08 any time soon. no reason to.
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So how many of you developers out there actually bought your own VS 2005 with your OWN money, not your company's money? Now, out of those who did, are you going to buy VS 2008 or wait a while like myself? I really want to buy it but I can't justify the cost right now. My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already. -- Steve
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I bought vs2005 with my company's money which is my money and I'm waiting, there is no real need that I can see to upgrade. I used to keep an msdn universal subscription for many years until they frigged it all up a few years ago with all the team system crap and other changes at which point I took a hard look at what we really needed and decided it was far more cost effective to simply buy what we need when we need it off the shelf. It was a huge mistake for them to ditch the old universal subscription, I bet a *lot* of people at that point cancelled or downgraded their subscription and it probably cost MS a lot of developer revenue. If they wanted to lose revenue they should have kept the old system but dropped the price in half and made it easier for more developers to get on board.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.
John C wrote:
I bet a *lot* of people at that point cancelled or downgraded their subscription and it probably cost MS a lot of developer revenue.
I meet monthly with local small business owners in the software field. About a dozen of us get together for dinner and drinks to share war stories and our outlook on the bidness. And, it seems what you said has been echoed by just about every one of them who develop exclusively for windows. I really think with the change in MSND, the move to the Team System silliness, the refusal to place bug fixes ahead of new releases, and 20 friggin versions of vista that MS has really confused and annoyed a lot of developers and end users.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
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I hope to get the time to download VC 2008 express tomorrow, which will cost me precisely nothing, and I'll no doubt continue to use the full VS 2005 under my company purchased MSDN license until we install the in-the-price upgrade to VS 2008 which turned up the other day justifying what we paid for one of those 3 year license with upgrades deals. I certainly wouldn't pay out for VS while I can use it for free or while MS are giving away both the IDE and the backend compiler or while the Intel compiler is cheaper to buy or while their are numerous free C++ compilers out there to play with. Of course if you insist on falling for the charms of C# then it's going to cost you :laugh:
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Of course if you insist on falling for the charms of C# then it's going to cost you
Not really, the C# compiler is included in the .NET Framework runtime distribution. Of course I wouldn't want to debug an application with the included mdbg or cordbg in the .NET Framework SDK, and don't really fancy developing Windows Forms apps by manually coding them. That is of course what the Forms designer does - generates code in the InitializeComponent method. But on a couple of occasions when I needed a fairly quick throwaway app, I've just written it in a text editor and run
cscfrom the command line.DoEvents: Generating unexpected recursion since 1991
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I know that I can get it free but there are limitations to the free version. Limitations like that bug the sh**t out of me. i.e. the class designer.
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I know that I can get it free but there are limitations to the free version. Limitations like that bug the sh**t out of me. i.e. the class designer.
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S Smerk wrote:
My company uses VS 2005 and will be using it for sometime...they have invested a lot of money into it already.
While I didn't pay for VS2008, I would say there's a business case in the performance improvements that come with VS2008 that would justify the expenditure. (Gee, did I just win the daily buzzword bingo award?) Marc
Marc Clifton wrote:
I would say there's a business case ...
Marc, I clicked your reply first (before reading the original post) expecting some good sarcasm from you, I was so disappointed. :-D
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John C wrote:
I bet a *lot* of people at that point cancelled or downgraded their subscription and it probably cost MS a lot of developer revenue.
I meet monthly with local small business owners in the software field. About a dozen of us get together for dinner and drinks to share war stories and our outlook on the bidness. And, it seems what you said has been echoed by just about every one of them who develop exclusively for windows. I really think with the change in MSND, the move to the Team System silliness, the refusal to place bug fixes ahead of new releases, and 20 friggin versions of vista that MS has really confused and annoyed a lot of developers and end users.
A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. - -Lazarus Long
It was such a no brainer before with the old msdn universal, one price and you got everything, it was a form of insurance, you never knew what you were going to need and once you paid the initial subscription it was just the renewal fee yearly after that. No muss no fuss. Then, at a time when MS had pretty much shot their wad on any new releases of any of their products for some time they decide they don't want the smaller development shops any more and come out with the team system craziness and force everyone to make a decision. In effect Microsoft bit the hand that feeds them, there are a *lot* of smaller ISV's like us out there not to mention consultants and for hire programmers who were shat on with that decision. Also a lot of the really big shops had no use for the team system crap either, they already had their own testing and profiling and RCS systems in place. Couple that with the lack of any new releases of anything substantial and it was a no brainer to just say screw it, when I need it I'll buy it "off the shelf" and screw the whole msdn system entirely. It was the most brain dead move MS made in years. Maybe this recent shake up at MS management will result in someone sane being in charge of developer stuff.
When everyone is a hero no one is a hero.