Java Incest
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, C# is the love child of Java and VB. And dammit, you stole my line.
Well, I will admit that Java was an inspiration to MS for C# and they're both bastard children of C++. More to the point, they're both commercial attempts to lure programmers away from a standard language, C++, and lock them into proprietary solutions and both entirely unnecessary.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
The C# language is an open standard, and the .NET Framework and C# compiler are both free.
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“Java is that retarded child VBasic had by having incest sex with C++” ~ Dr.Robot Smith (From the Uncyclopedia article on Java)
ASP - AJAX is SEXY. PERIOD.
This is even funnier: “Saying Java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.”
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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The C# language is an open standard, and the .NET Framework and C# compiler are both free.
Brady Kelly wrote:
The C# language is an open standard
Right. And Microsoft knew fully well when they pulled that ploy that no one would ever be able to mount a viable challenge to their tools. It's just to make them appear to the unwashed masses as if they are playing the standards game.
Brady Kelly wrote:
and the .NET Framework and C# compiler are both free
Typical pusher tactic. I'll give you a taste for free but if you want to get seriously high, you'll have to pony up serious money.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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Brady Kelly wrote:
The C# language is an open standard
Right. And Microsoft knew fully well when they pulled that ploy that no one would ever be able to mount a viable challenge to their tools. It's just to make them appear to the unwashed masses as if they are playing the standards game.
Brady Kelly wrote:
and the .NET Framework and C# compiler are both free
Typical pusher tactic. I'll give you a taste for free but if you want to get seriously high, you'll have to pony up serious money.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
Tim Craig wrote:
It's just to make them appear to the unwashed masses as if they are playing the standards game.
Tim Craig wrote:
Typical pusher tactic. I'll give you a taste for free but if you want to get seriously high, you'll have to pony up serious money.
Not a big fan of dotnet then? :-D
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This is even funnier: “Saying Java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.”
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Hey, you stole my line! :mad: Oh, man, you should have seen the uproar when I posted it in the Lounge! :-O
Cheers, Vikram.
"The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." - Mahatma Gandhi.
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Christian Graus wrote:
No, C# is the love child of Java and VB. And dammit, you stole my line.
Well, I will admit that Java was an inspiration to MS for C# and they're both bastard children of C++. More to the point, they're both commercial attempts to lure programmers away from a standard language, C++, and lock them into proprietary solutions and both entirely unnecessary.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
But the question is, is a standard language the best tool for development on a proprietary operating system? I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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But the question is, is a standard language the best tool for development on a proprietary operating system? I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
Stan Shannon wrote:
Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
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It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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This is even funnier: “Saying Java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.”
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
“Saying Java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.”
Well... at least it works on more OS's than .NET does. Can't say it works WELL, but it works. Not enough to make me want to use it :)
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
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But the question is, is a standard language the best tool for development on a proprietary operating system? I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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But the question is, is a standard language the best tool for development on a proprietary operating system? I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
A bastardized language might make it a tad easier, but it may not satisfy you like C++. I'm talking about the end results, I'm talking about doing something in a long-term basis. Take a VB Code-Monkey for example. I mean - they just won't settle until they fill the world with their crap written on VB. I'd wash cars, may be, instead of writing bastardized *cough* VB code. On the framework part, I'd agree with you though; it makes perfect sense to use a framework designed specifically for an operating system.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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Want to know something really strange? (I'm originally a mainframe Assembler and COBOL programmer) These days I program almost exclusively in C# ... and I *still* think C++ is an ugly language.
Ilíon wrote:
I think
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Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
“Saying Java is good because it works on all operating systems is like saying anal sex is good because it works on all genders.”
Well... at least it works on more OS's than .NET does. Can't say it works WELL, but it works. Not enough to make me want to use it :)
It has become appallingly obvious that our technology has exceeded our humanity. - Albert Einstein
I am not a supporter of .NET, but then .NET is not supposed to run on multiple operating systems. Even more credits to C++ and the frameworks written on C++. :)
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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A bastardized language might make it a tad easier, but it may not satisfy you like C++. I'm talking about the end results, I'm talking about doing something in a long-term basis. Take a VB Code-Monkey for example. I mean - they just won't settle until they fill the world with their crap written on VB. I'd wash cars, may be, instead of writing bastardized *cough* VB code. On the framework part, I'd agree with you though; it makes perfect sense to use a framework designed specifically for an operating system.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I mean - they just won't settle until they fill the world with their crap written on VB.
Given the chance, they'll also happily fill the world with crap written in C++ or C#. C++ at least had the advantage that it was harder to write crap and still have it run - you don't need to spend a lot of time arguing about the poor code quality of a C++Monkey, the crashes give it away. C# and Java both provide a much more crap-friendly environment.
But who is the king of all of these folks?
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Tim Craig wrote:
It's just to make them appear to the unwashed masses as if they are playing the standards game.
Tim Craig wrote:
Typical pusher tactic. I'll give you a taste for free but if you want to get seriously high, you'll have to pony up serious money.
Not a big fan of dotnet then? :-D
martin_hughes wrote:
Not a big fan of dotnet then?
Nope, haven't touched it and not likely to. Looked at C# enough to know it brought nothing to the game and recognize it for what it is. I really have a problem with how Microsoft plays lip service to standards but then does it's best to scuttle them or game the system. Two of the most blatant examples are OpenGL and the OpenDoc format.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
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If you PayPal me some money I will go away forever.
Word, write letters and sh*t yo. It takes 46 muscles to frown but only 4 to flip 'em the bird. Friendship is like peeing on yourself: everyone can see it, but only you get the warm feeling that it brings. The greatest pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do. Everyone needs believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
If you PayPal me some money I will go away forever.
Looks like you are getting desperate. Did the homeless shelter reject you? :laugh:
Furthermore, in Galileo's time and for quite some time afterwards, the "scientific evidence" was *against* heliocentrism. - Ilion
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But the question is, is a standard language the best tool for development on a proprietary operating system? I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense. Give me a bastardized language any day if it makes application development just a tad easier.
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
Stan Shannon wrote:
I'm as much of a C++ bigot as anyone, but even I can acknowledge that C++ was not the ideal tool for doing windows development. Having a language and a framework designed specifically for development in that environment makes sense.
So C# being pretty much a stripped down version of C++ adds what to make programming in Windows easier? It's the libraries and tools that M$ added in Visual Studio that ease the job. If M$ had done as good a job building libraries that complemented C++ AND added tool support when they were actively trying to scuttle C++ in favor of C# to keep people from jumping ship, they'd have been in a much better position. But hey, it worked for VB for all those years. Make it easy for the VB programmers and let the C++ programmers figure out how to do it for themselves. The only reason Java caught on was the extensive libraries that came with it and that it was simple for C++ programmers to learn. Microsoft saw Java as something they couldn't control, hence they followed the same model and saddled the world with C#.
Doing my part to piss off the religious right.
modified on Sunday, February 17, 2008 11:01 PM
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Ilíon wrote:
I think
:~
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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“Java is that retarded child VBasic had by having incest sex with C++” ~ Dr.Robot Smith (From the Uncyclopedia article on Java)
ASP - AJAX is SEXY. PERIOD.
One quote I saw on bash.org: Saying that Java is perfect because it runs on every platform is like saying sodomy is great because it works with every gender.
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“Java is that retarded child VBasic had by having incest sex with C++” ~ Dr.Robot Smith (From the Uncyclopedia article on Java)
ASP - AJAX is SEXY. PERIOD.
Strastraup and Gates getting it on... Yuck, try to get that image out of my brain...X|
MrPlankton
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Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I mean - they just won't settle until they fill the world with their crap written on VB.
Given the chance, they'll also happily fill the world with crap written in C++ or C#. C++ at least had the advantage that it was harder to write crap and still have it run - you don't need to spend a lot of time arguing about the poor code quality of a C++Monkey, the crashes give it away. C# and Java both provide a much more crap-friendly environment.
But who is the king of all of these folks?
I need to agree on what you said.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP