Protesting against smoking
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The smoking ban is getting stringent and signboards discouraging smoking is becoming mandatory even in India. Check these out: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Display_No_Smoking_board_or_pay_fine/articleshow/2773010.cms[^]
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonOne of the comments in the article "If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales" Sounds a legitimate idea to me ;P BTW, does this comes under legisleture of central/state government in India or any country? I mean is there a possibility to ban the production?
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote:
discouraging smoking is becoming mandatory even in India
I am afraid that its going to be like writing on water. To my knowledge this was brought in place long time back (1997)[^]. As you know Indian law and order are so fragile, you pay the police a cigar and Rs.50 (around USD 1), you are no more a convict. :doh:
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Yesterday night, I was actually watching some Tamil movie in television. Two Tamilians (natives of South Indian) had actually immigrated to Malaysia. One is actually a criminal accused in the motherland for illicit liquor, deals in contraband goods etc. When someone met in Malaysia, he arrogantly replies that "
He is trying to spread the art of his motherland overseas". There is actually nothing funny in that. It is actually a point for deep content self-introspection on how much our culture is deteriorating and at a rapid pace.Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
One of the comments in the article "If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales" Sounds a legitimate idea to me ;P BTW, does this comes under legisleture of central/state government in India or any country? I mean is there a possibility to ban the production?
True. Actually, the Health Minister of India (Dr. Anbumani Ramadoss) was trying to bring a blanket ban on the same -- manufacture and sale of tobaccos. But there are a few other parameters that other ministers and states should take which those lazy bastards are lethargic to venture into: 1) Rehabilitating the thousands of laborers involved in tobacco and cigar industry. A local variety of cigar is actually a cottage industry. We would be all happy to ban the tobacco but at the same time, we should fine some solution which should provide the basic 'bread and butter' for the poor laborers of those industries. Source: http://www.thehindu.com/2005/06/19/stories/2005061906561000.htm[^]
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
One of the comments in the article "If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales" Sounds a legitimate idea to me ;P BTW, does this comes under legisleture of central/state government in India or any country? I mean is there a possibility to ban the production?
Prohibition is never an answer. History proves that.
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Prohibition is never an answer. History proves that.
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The smoking ban is getting stringent and signboards discouraging smoking is becoming mandatory even in India. Check these out: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Display_No_Smoking_board_or_pay_fine/articleshow/2773010.cms[^]
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonVasudevan Deepak K wrote:
signboards discouraging smoking is becoming mandatory
Passing new laws is not necessarily the way to solve all problems. Although that is all goverments seem to be capable of doing. A law to ban smoking, another to make it mandatory to display signs that ban smoking? What next? A law to make it mandatory to fine people who don't display no smoking signs?
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Brady Kelly wrote:
Prohibition is never an answer
I see. That's why they have worldwide ban on narcotic drugs. :doh:
A totally ineffective worldwide ban on narcotic drugs, stimulants, and psychedelic drugs. So, by your definition, if something exists, it is good? Here is a teaspoon, pick up your brain marrow with it and put it back where it may one day function again.
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Vasudevan Deepak K wrote:
signboards discouraging smoking is becoming mandatory
Passing new laws is not necessarily the way to solve all problems. Although that is all goverments seem to be capable of doing. A law to ban smoking, another to make it mandatory to display signs that ban smoking? What next? A law to make it mandatory to fine people who don't display no smoking signs?
Bijesh wrote:
A law to make it mandatory to fine people who don't display no smoking signs?
In England it is illegal to smoke in all public places but it is still a requirement for all public places to display a no smoking sign. Yes, you can be fined for not displaying the sign. I'm not sure why we don't have to have signs for all the other things that you're no longer allowed to do since our caring sharing government took over the reigns though! Russell
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German puts out cigarette with fire extinguisher[^] and he wasn't bothered by the damage it caused. :doh:
Thats going to pretty extreme measures. I recently watched a documentary on smoking and they listed it as the number one addiction even above alcohol and drugs. I quit for several years and am smoking again. The urge never goes away! Mike
Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take, but by the moments that take our breath away. "George Carlin
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One of the comments in the article "If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales" Sounds a legitimate idea to me ;P BTW, does this comes under legisleture of central/state government in India or any country? I mean is there a possibility to ban the production?
I think it's about time smoking was banned in public places. For many years I've been forced to breath secondhand smoke in public. However I think banning the sale of tobacco goes too far. Way too far. People can do whatever they want in private. My only objection is when they force nonsmokers to inhale their smoke in public.
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One of the comments in the article "If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales" Sounds a legitimate idea to me ;P BTW, does this comes under legisleture of central/state government in India or any country? I mean is there a possibility to ban the production?
Himanshu Joshi wrote:
"If smoking is an offense, why do not they just ban the sales"
Because the tobacco industry won't allow it.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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German puts out cigarette with fire extinguisher[^] and he wasn't bothered by the damage it caused. :doh:
Himanshu Joshi wrote:
and he wasn't bothered by the damage it caused.
Why should he be, when the smoker wasn't bothered by the health damage he was causing to non-smokers?
-- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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I think it's about time smoking was banned in public places. For many years I've been forced to breath secondhand smoke in public. However I think banning the sale of tobacco goes too far. Way too far. People can do whatever they want in private. My only objection is when they force nonsmokers to inhale their smoke in public.
Alan Balkany wrote:
People can do whatever they want in private.
The bad part of that is in regards to health insurance provided by employers. When employers sign up with an insurance provider, they opt for all the basic coverages, plus any extras like maternity, smoking, substance abuse. Those add to the overall cost of the policy, which all employees must pay into. So in order for my co-worker to get insurance coverage for his smoking-related problem(s), I must help pay for it.
"Normal is getting dressed in clothes that you buy for work and driving through traffic in a car that you are still paying for, in order to get to the job you need to pay for the clothes and the car and the house you leave vacant all day so you can afford to live in it." - Ellen Goodman
"To have a respect for ourselves guides our morals; to have deference for others governs our manners." - Laurence Sterne
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I think it's about time smoking was banned in public places. For many years I've been forced to breath secondhand smoke in public. However I think banning the sale of tobacco goes too far. Way too far. People can do whatever they want in private. My only objection is when they force nonsmokers to inhale their smoke in public.
I am glad to see everyone thinks that smoking is such a bad idea. While we are at it, why don't we ban free speech? It offends me when you make unfounded comments. It offends me when teachers tell children that parents who smoke will die soon. It's unfounded. The British Journal of Medicine (I know, you probably don't trust their findings as the US Tobacco companies have OBVIOUSLY gotten to them!) published a 12-year study on secondhand smoke. They found that the smoker inhales AND RETAINS all of the harmful chemicals. You complain about secondhand smoke. What kind of car do you drive? Is it properly maintained? Does it emit ANY toxic chemicals? Is there ANY smoke coming from it? Do you recycle? Do you stop and pick up any trash blowing past you or do you just stand and watch it? Do you or any of your family just spit out chewing gum in the park? Do you take a baggie with you when you walk your dog to clean up behind it? You are undoubtedly guilty of one, IF NOT MORE, of these things. The truth is that the tobacco companies make a whopping $0.40 profit per pack. Everything else is taxes. No, I work for a woman's clothing retailer in their IS center, not a tobacco company. Right now, in Florida, we pay over $30.00 per carton for cigarettes. A single pack is over $4.50. If you non-smoking nazis continue, you will get EXACTLY what you want. Smokers will stop smoking. But, then, who will pay for your kid to have new computers in their school? Who's going to pay for all of those new roads in the town you live in? Who's going to keep your property taxes low? NO ONE!! If you keep up this ridiculous facade of "Everyone Should Do What I Believe They Should", you're going to end up with property taxes in the tens of thousands of dollars a year. Then, what? What will be the next big thing that offends you? Wow, you might have to spend some time thinking about it, huh? Realistically, I am a smoker (like you couldn't have guessed). I am a courteous smoker, UNLESS YOU ARE AN OBNOXIOUS NON-SMOKER. If I am standing outside (can't smoke ANYWHERE in Florida indoors) in the rain, smoking a cigarette and you come out and start chanting about smoking, I WILL FOLLOW YOU TO YOUR CAR, BLOWING SMOKE AT YOU! Since you're so up for banning things, why don't we ban obesity? Obese children's parents should be jailed for poisoning their children. Child Endangerment. That offends me. OOOO, while we're at it, If you are found to have alcohol in your possession outside of your home, you
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I am glad to see everyone thinks that smoking is such a bad idea. While we are at it, why don't we ban free speech? It offends me when you make unfounded comments. It offends me when teachers tell children that parents who smoke will die soon. It's unfounded. The British Journal of Medicine (I know, you probably don't trust their findings as the US Tobacco companies have OBVIOUSLY gotten to them!) published a 12-year study on secondhand smoke. They found that the smoker inhales AND RETAINS all of the harmful chemicals. You complain about secondhand smoke. What kind of car do you drive? Is it properly maintained? Does it emit ANY toxic chemicals? Is there ANY smoke coming from it? Do you recycle? Do you stop and pick up any trash blowing past you or do you just stand and watch it? Do you or any of your family just spit out chewing gum in the park? Do you take a baggie with you when you walk your dog to clean up behind it? You are undoubtedly guilty of one, IF NOT MORE, of these things. The truth is that the tobacco companies make a whopping $0.40 profit per pack. Everything else is taxes. No, I work for a woman's clothing retailer in their IS center, not a tobacco company. Right now, in Florida, we pay over $30.00 per carton for cigarettes. A single pack is over $4.50. If you non-smoking nazis continue, you will get EXACTLY what you want. Smokers will stop smoking. But, then, who will pay for your kid to have new computers in their school? Who's going to pay for all of those new roads in the town you live in? Who's going to keep your property taxes low? NO ONE!! If you keep up this ridiculous facade of "Everyone Should Do What I Believe They Should", you're going to end up with property taxes in the tens of thousands of dollars a year. Then, what? What will be the next big thing that offends you? Wow, you might have to spend some time thinking about it, huh? Realistically, I am a smoker (like you couldn't have guessed). I am a courteous smoker, UNLESS YOU ARE AN OBNOXIOUS NON-SMOKER. If I am standing outside (can't smoke ANYWHERE in Florida indoors) in the rain, smoking a cigarette and you come out and start chanting about smoking, I WILL FOLLOW YOU TO YOUR CAR, BLOWING SMOKE AT YOU! Since you're so up for banning things, why don't we ban obesity? Obese children's parents should be jailed for poisoning their children. Child Endangerment. That offends me. OOOO, while we're at it, If you are found to have alcohol in your possession outside of your home, you
I am a courteous smoker... I'm sure you think so. The vast majority of tobacco smokers aren't, although they probably think they are. I've probably met a courteous smoker some time, although I can't think of a specific instance. I have asthma and I'm allergic to tobacco smoke. Before smoking was restricted here in Michigan I suffered. I couldn't even go to a doughnut shop without being asphyxiated by "courteous" smokers. I had to deal with restaurants' "non-smoking" tables, each separated and COMPLETELY SURROUNDED by courteous smokers. At work, I have been seated next to chain smokers whose toxic fumes would cause me to wake up nightly with asthma attacks. I have to deal with buildings with courteous smokers glued to the entrances, forcing me to breathe their poison. And even if a smoker retains toxic chemicals, they still pollute everyone's lungs with the smoke released between puffs. But a courteous smoker like you probably already knew this. Even so, I think restricting smoking even inside one's own house is even more obnoxious. If you're not forcing me to breath your smoke, I don't care what you do.
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I am a courteous smoker... I'm sure you think so. The vast majority of tobacco smokers aren't, although they probably think they are. I've probably met a courteous smoker some time, although I can't think of a specific instance. I have asthma and I'm allergic to tobacco smoke. Before smoking was restricted here in Michigan I suffered. I couldn't even go to a doughnut shop without being asphyxiated by "courteous" smokers. I had to deal with restaurants' "non-smoking" tables, each separated and COMPLETELY SURROUNDED by courteous smokers. At work, I have been seated next to chain smokers whose toxic fumes would cause me to wake up nightly with asthma attacks. I have to deal with buildings with courteous smokers glued to the entrances, forcing me to breathe their poison. And even if a smoker retains toxic chemicals, they still pollute everyone's lungs with the smoke released between puffs. But a courteous smoker like you probably already knew this. Even so, I think restricting smoking even inside one's own house is even more obnoxious. If you're not forcing me to breath your smoke, I don't care what you do.
Alan Balkany wrote:
I'm sure you think so.
Well, I consider myself courteous since I don't smoke within a reasonable range of the entrance to a building, I don't smoke in confined areas, I don't throw my cigarette butts on the ground, and if no one else in my group is smoking, I will excuse myself and go smoke away from them. If I am walking with a group of non-smokers, I will intentionally place myself down wind from them. Athsma, I love that excuse. The first thing that a non-smoker yells when they don't have support from those around them is "I have athsma". I have athsma. I was BORN with it! I have a Primatine enhaler in my house. I have been hospitalized as a child for it. Suffered 18 (not a typo, eighteen) bronchial infections when I was a senior in HS. None of it was related to smoking! I'm not saying that you don't suffer as well. My grandmother is allergic to the smoke. I had a chest X-ray a few years ago and it completely puzzled the doctor. There was NO evidence of tar OR athsma in my lungs. He was baffled. I still have the X-rays around somewhere. Now, I can run a mile in less than 11 minutes. BUT, when I quit smoking, my athsma took me out. I couldn't run 100yds without needing my inhaler. My simple point is that, Truth.com and all of these other "stop smoking" fanatics, are looking to push their beliefs on someone else. I can't put out nearly as much toxic chemicals as that dumptruck or city bus. You don't hear anyone complaining about that. They simply want to control someone else. They are just trying to push their beliefs on everyone around them to "custom-fit" the planet just for them, regardless WHO else it affects. I am sick of this "because I want it" attitude of everyone in this country. People have come to the belief that everyone should do what THEY want them to do, regardless who else it impacts negatively. If I want to smoke, I should not get harrassed by some non-smoker (or worse yet, a FORMER smoker). Leave me alone and stop trying to take away MY freedoms!
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