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  • C Chris Maunder

    I assume doctors have ruled out sleep apnea? cheers, Chris Maunder "Sometimes everything is deep and philosophical and other times, well it's not so deep or philosophical" - Tom Archer, being philosophical.

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    ColinDavies
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    Chris Maunder wrote: I assume doctors have ruled out sleep apnea? The biggest problem with that is that it is quite difficult to detect, you basically have to admit a person for several nights and monitor their oxygen levels whilst the sleep. The other more simple way is just try out the remedy for it, as its darn unlikely to be predjudicial, and see if the effects go away. I suspect lots of folk suffer from it, and it has never been diagnosed for them. Regardz Colin J Davies

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      I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I've been to doctors and had test after test after test, and for some reason every test I've had comes up perfectly normal. Now my doctor is starting to talk to me as though its all in my mind or something. How frustrating. So I spend everyday in an endless cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus on my work while the life is slowly strangled out of me until I pass out. At least that's how it feels. Getting more sleep doesn't help. Drinking more coffee doesn't help. Pills don't help. What's a boy to do? My head tingles like your foot when it has fallen asleep, my face feels numb, my back and ribs ache, my breathing is very shallow, and then I pass out. I don't have narcolepsy. I don't have diabetes. I don't have a thyroid or blood sugar problem. Everything keeps coming up normal. I don't know what the problem is. All I know is that sometimes I feel like being dead would be easier. Though I'm not suicidal. I enjoy life normally, when I'm not passing out from some strange strangulation. Life would be so much easier if I won the lottery and could just sleep all day everyday as much as I wanted, without having to worry about the bills getting paid, but since I'm wishing, I might as well wish for normal health. That way I could work without passing out and have a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. In the meantime I'll simply fight it out. The only thing that seems to help is thinking. Mental activity seems to wake me up. Anything passive, or boring and the deadness in my head takes over. Clunk.... X|

      "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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      Someone else has mentioned this, but it could be sleep apnea. I've got it, this is my checklist. 1. Do you wake up feeling more tired than when you went to bed? The longer the nights sleep, the worse I felt. 2. Are you Overweight? 3. Do you snore? 4. Do you cough a lot in the morning, especially after a steamy shower? I found out when I asked my doctor after a bit of a scare one morning when I fell asleep at the wheel on the way to work. I was at the docs on a unrelated matter, but was scared enough to ask. She suggested sleep apnea and sent me to a specialist. I spend one night in hospital, and they prescribed treatment in the form of a CPAP machine. I was feeling 30000% better within a week.

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        Someone else has mentioned this, but it could be sleep apnea. I've got it, this is my checklist. 1. Do you wake up feeling more tired than when you went to bed? The longer the nights sleep, the worse I felt. 2. Are you Overweight? 3. Do you snore? 4. Do you cough a lot in the morning, especially after a steamy shower? I found out when I asked my doctor after a bit of a scare one morning when I fell asleep at the wheel on the way to work. I was at the docs on a unrelated matter, but was scared enough to ask. She suggested sleep apnea and sent me to a specialist. I spend one night in hospital, and they prescribed treatment in the form of a CPAP machine. I was feeling 30000% better within a week.

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        Mr Morden wrote: I was feeling 30000% better within a week. yeah, I have heard similar, some folk have even thought they were dying of cancer etc, but it was apnea. Mr Morden wrote: I spend one night in hospital, and they prescribed treatment in the form of a CPAP machine. Do you find it uncomfortable to use, or do the benefits far outweigh that factor. The moment I put any mask on, I feel a bit weird. Regardz Colin J Davies

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          Mr Morden wrote: I was feeling 30000% better within a week. yeah, I have heard similar, some folk have even thought they were dying of cancer etc, but it was apnea. Mr Morden wrote: I spend one night in hospital, and they prescribed treatment in the form of a CPAP machine. Do you find it uncomfortable to use, or do the benefits far outweigh that factor. The moment I put any mask on, I feel a bit weird. Regardz Colin J Davies

          Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin

          More about me :-)

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          Colin Davies wrote: yeah, I have heard similar, some folk have even thought they were dying of cancer etc, but it was apnea I had a (minor) breakdown. I honestly thought I was going insane. I was depressed most of the time, and lost interest in nearly every activity. Even after I started treatment it took a couple of years to recover. That was around 1996. Colin Davies wrote: Do you find it uncomfortable to use, or do the benefits far outweigh that factor. The moment I put any mask on, I feel a bit weird. Initially, yes. As for benefits vs discomfort, read what I wrote above. That will give you a good answer. :) I dont even notice it anymore. In fact, a couple of years ago my old mask broke and I tried sleeping without. Couldn't. At 2am, I was up jury rigging some electrical wire to keep it on. Put the mask on and was out like a light. If I was cured today, I reckon I'd need 'training' to sleep without it.

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          • K Kevnar

            I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I've been to doctors and had test after test after test, and for some reason every test I've had comes up perfectly normal. Now my doctor is starting to talk to me as though its all in my mind or something. How frustrating. So I spend everyday in an endless cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus on my work while the life is slowly strangled out of me until I pass out. At least that's how it feels. Getting more sleep doesn't help. Drinking more coffee doesn't help. Pills don't help. What's a boy to do? My head tingles like your foot when it has fallen asleep, my face feels numb, my back and ribs ache, my breathing is very shallow, and then I pass out. I don't have narcolepsy. I don't have diabetes. I don't have a thyroid or blood sugar problem. Everything keeps coming up normal. I don't know what the problem is. All I know is that sometimes I feel like being dead would be easier. Though I'm not suicidal. I enjoy life normally, when I'm not passing out from some strange strangulation. Life would be so much easier if I won the lottery and could just sleep all day everyday as much as I wanted, without having to worry about the bills getting paid, but since I'm wishing, I might as well wish for normal health. That way I could work without passing out and have a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. In the meantime I'll simply fight it out. The only thing that seems to help is thinking. Mental activity seems to wake me up. Anything passive, or boring and the deadness in my head takes over. Clunk.... X|

            "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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            Oh great... lots of people have this problem. Here's two things that could be causing the problem (there are others!!!) Sleep Apenia - Do you snore at night, if so maybe you stop breathing as well and this can make you tierd as you are suffercating at night. The only way to find out is to have a test... SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS, its hard to tell if you have it. A lot of people have it. http://www.sleepnet.com/disorder.htm Allergys, dust mite or simular can block up the nose and make it hard to get air during the night. You have to get a allergy test... Philip

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            • K Kevnar

              I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I've been to doctors and had test after test after test, and for some reason every test I've had comes up perfectly normal. Now my doctor is starting to talk to me as though its all in my mind or something. How frustrating. So I spend everyday in an endless cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus on my work while the life is slowly strangled out of me until I pass out. At least that's how it feels. Getting more sleep doesn't help. Drinking more coffee doesn't help. Pills don't help. What's a boy to do? My head tingles like your foot when it has fallen asleep, my face feels numb, my back and ribs ache, my breathing is very shallow, and then I pass out. I don't have narcolepsy. I don't have diabetes. I don't have a thyroid or blood sugar problem. Everything keeps coming up normal. I don't know what the problem is. All I know is that sometimes I feel like being dead would be easier. Though I'm not suicidal. I enjoy life normally, when I'm not passing out from some strange strangulation. Life would be so much easier if I won the lottery and could just sleep all day everyday as much as I wanted, without having to worry about the bills getting paid, but since I'm wishing, I might as well wish for normal health. That way I could work without passing out and have a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. In the meantime I'll simply fight it out. The only thing that seems to help is thinking. Mental activity seems to wake me up. Anything passive, or boring and the deadness in my head takes over. Clunk.... X|

              "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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              Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I think that you will find that your sleep is not actually as deep or complete as you think. This is also happening to me over the past 5-6 years. I find that sometimes I hear every little thing goig on inside and outside of the house and invariably wake up feeling like shit. Other times when I hear nothing and don't remember waking up I fell great. I usually feel crap about 1-2:00PM. I spent 6 weeks a little while ago doing physical work for 8 to 10 hours a day. I found that I was so physically tired that I would get a great nights sleep. Up until about 6 years ago I would go to the gym 3-4 times a week and again I would get a great nights sleep even if it weas only 5-6 hours. Last week I saw an article on TV about imsomnia. It wasn't about people not being able to get to sleep at all but taking quite a while to get to sleep. They would also wake up quite often and take that same long period of time getting to sleep. This meant that at the end of the night they have actually only slept a couple of hours. The radical experimental treatment was to be woken up about 50 times a night for a few nights until you learned the ability to get to sleep quickly. This minimized the time spent getting to back to sleep after each awakening. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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                I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I've been to doctors and had test after test after test, and for some reason every test I've had comes up perfectly normal. Now my doctor is starting to talk to me as though its all in my mind or something. How frustrating. So I spend everyday in an endless cycle of trying to stay awake, trying to focus on my work while the life is slowly strangled out of me until I pass out. At least that's how it feels. Getting more sleep doesn't help. Drinking more coffee doesn't help. Pills don't help. What's a boy to do? My head tingles like your foot when it has fallen asleep, my face feels numb, my back and ribs ache, my breathing is very shallow, and then I pass out. I don't have narcolepsy. I don't have diabetes. I don't have a thyroid or blood sugar problem. Everything keeps coming up normal. I don't know what the problem is. All I know is that sometimes I feel like being dead would be easier. Though I'm not suicidal. I enjoy life normally, when I'm not passing out from some strange strangulation. Life would be so much easier if I won the lottery and could just sleep all day everyday as much as I wanted, without having to worry about the bills getting paid, but since I'm wishing, I might as well wish for normal health. That way I could work without passing out and have a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. In the meantime I'll simply fight it out. The only thing that seems to help is thinking. Mental activity seems to wake me up. Anything passive, or boring and the deadness in my head takes over. Clunk.... X|

                "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                Silver, I have some good news for you :) I had similar problems for several years due to severe stress. One of the difficult things is that the symptoms of long term stress vary a lot so you have to look at the pattern which matches up with what happened to me. The cure (not in one go, but a big improvement after one session) was Reiki healing. This might sound daft at first but as an engineer it works, not expensive and no side effects so worth trying. Reiki is about balancing the body's energy flow using chkra points etc.. I know it might sound odd without the high tech approach, but give it a try. At the time I could hardly walk for a month and within 2 days I can get round a large supermarket. Cost per session ? £15 or about $25 from the guy I went to. And one other thing - learn to let go a bit, thats what builds up the troubles Good luck Elaine :rose:

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                • C Chris Maunder

                  I assume doctors have ruled out sleep apnea? cheers, Chris Maunder "Sometimes everything is deep and philosophical and other times, well it's not so deep or philosophical" - Tom Archer, being philosophical.

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                  yup.

                  "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                  • R Reno Tiko

                    Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. I'm not familiar with that symptom -- does that mean you're able to stay up during nights but constantly fall asleep during the day? Or do you always feel sleepy regardless of the time?

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                    It means you're still tired during the day inspite of getting a seemingly good night's rest.

                    "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                    • M Mr Morden

                      Someone else has mentioned this, but it could be sleep apnea. I've got it, this is my checklist. 1. Do you wake up feeling more tired than when you went to bed? The longer the nights sleep, the worse I felt. 2. Are you Overweight? 3. Do you snore? 4. Do you cough a lot in the morning, especially after a steamy shower? I found out when I asked my doctor after a bit of a scare one morning when I fell asleep at the wheel on the way to work. I was at the docs on a unrelated matter, but was scared enough to ask. She suggested sleep apnea and sent me to a specialist. I spend one night in hospital, and they prescribed treatment in the form of a CPAP machine. I was feeling 30000% better within a week.

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                      1. Sometimes 2. Somewhat 3. Only for about 2 seconds. Then I wake up from it. I often wonder if I'm ever really asleep to begin with, or just knocked out for a bit. 4. no

                      "I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm

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                      • P philip andrew

                        Oh great... lots of people have this problem. Here's two things that could be causing the problem (there are others!!!) Sleep Apenia - Do you snore at night, if so maybe you stop breathing as well and this can make you tierd as you are suffercating at night. The only way to find out is to have a test... SERIOUSLY LOOK AT THIS, its hard to tell if you have it. A lot of people have it. http://www.sleepnet.com/disorder.htm Allergys, dust mite or simular can block up the nose and make it hard to get air during the night. You have to get a allergy test... Philip

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                        philip andrew wrote: You have to get a allergy test... There's one thing I haven't tried.

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                        • L Lost User

                          Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: I suffer from excessive daytime fatigue. Even after a full night's sleep I still find myself passing out at my desk. It's hell. On one hand you have the overwhelming desire to just lay down on the floor and die, and on the other hand you have the need to feed your family. I think that you will find that your sleep is not actually as deep or complete as you think. This is also happening to me over the past 5-6 years. I find that sometimes I hear every little thing goig on inside and outside of the house and invariably wake up feeling like shit. Other times when I hear nothing and don't remember waking up I fell great. I usually feel crap about 1-2:00PM. I spent 6 weeks a little while ago doing physical work for 8 to 10 hours a day. I found that I was so physically tired that I would get a great nights sleep. Up until about 6 years ago I would go to the gym 3-4 times a week and again I would get a great nights sleep even if it weas only 5-6 hours. Last week I saw an article on TV about imsomnia. It wasn't about people not being able to get to sleep at all but taking quite a while to get to sleep. They would also wake up quite often and take that same long period of time getting to sleep. This meant that at the end of the night they have actually only slept a couple of hours. The radical experimental treatment was to be woken up about 50 times a night for a few nights until you learned the ability to get to sleep quickly. This minimized the time spent getting to back to sleep after each awakening. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002

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                          Michael Martin wrote: The radical experimental treatment was to be woken up about 50 times a night for a few nights until you learned the ability to get to sleep quickly. Unless I drink any form of caffine in the evening (which I avoid like death) I usually have no problem falling asleep immeditately.

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                          • T Trollslayer at work

                            Silver, I have some good news for you :) I had similar problems for several years due to severe stress. One of the difficult things is that the symptoms of long term stress vary a lot so you have to look at the pattern which matches up with what happened to me. The cure (not in one go, but a big improvement after one session) was Reiki healing. This might sound daft at first but as an engineer it works, not expensive and no side effects so worth trying. Reiki is about balancing the body's energy flow using chkra points etc.. I know it might sound odd without the high tech approach, but give it a try. At the time I could hardly walk for a month and within 2 days I can get round a large supermarket. Cost per session ? £15 or about $25 from the guy I went to. And one other thing - learn to let go a bit, thats what builds up the troubles Good luck Elaine :rose:

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                            I recommend that too. Good luck. Andres Manggini. Buenos Aires - Argentina.

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                              1. Sometimes 2. Somewhat 3. Only for about 2 seconds. Then I wake up from it. I often wonder if I'm ever really asleep to begin with, or just knocked out for a bit. 4. no

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                              Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: 3. Only for about 2 seconds. Then I wake up from it. I often wonder if I'm ever really asleep to begin with, or just knocked out for a bit. Then I suggest that you get checked for apnea. What actually happens is that the soft tissue of the throat closes over, you cant breath, and you wake up. The snoring is symptomatic of trying to breath through a collapsed throat. The reason I woke up feeling worse than I went to bed, was that my body was under the stress of oxygen deprivation for the time I was sleeping. The longer I was in bed, the more stress I was under. It's actually quite a dangerous disease. Apart from the tiredness, depression, and possibility of accident, there is the risk of heart attack or stroke cause by hypertension.

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