I'm a WTL convert.
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At least, I've seen the light, thanks to Robert Edward Caldecott for guiding me to WTL. I've successfully converted a network client application with hi graphics presentation to WTL. Bliss utter bliss! :-D Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
I would like to be an WTL convert, as I believe it to be a superior technology. But here is what stops me: There is nothing in MSDN on WTL. Therefore, it is obviously unsupported. If I spend time developing software with MFC and run into a problem I can go to my boss and say "There is a problem with MFC, I will go to the documentation and figure it out". He will say "OK" If I spend time developing the same application with WTL and run into a problem I will go to my boss and say "There is a problem with WTL". He will say "So, go to MSDN and figure out how to fix it". I will say "Can't, it is not supported". He will say "You spent all this time developing with a systems that is not supported". I will say "Yes". He will say "Your fired". "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
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I would like to be an WTL convert, as I believe it to be a superior technology. But here is what stops me: There is nothing in MSDN on WTL. Therefore, it is obviously unsupported. If I spend time developing software with MFC and run into a problem I can go to my boss and say "There is a problem with MFC, I will go to the documentation and figure it out". He will say "OK" If I spend time developing the same application with WTL and run into a problem I will go to my boss and say "There is a problem with WTL". He will say "So, go to MSDN and figure out how to fix it". I will say "Can't, it is not supported". He will say "You spent all this time developing with a systems that is not supported". I will say "Yes". He will say "Your fired". "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
The Rev. I too was concerned about the *unsupported* issue. Looking at WTL7.0 now, it's come along way since Version 3.0. There are plenty of net articles/sites covering WTL. I think the main qualifications are good C++ and Base windows programming. I can see WTL actually replacing MFC in the long term. WTL is definitely clear and concise. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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At least, I've seen the light, thanks to Robert Edward Caldecott for guiding me to WTL. I've successfully converted a network client application with hi graphics presentation to WTL. Bliss utter bliss! :-D Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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I would like to be an WTL convert, as I believe it to be a superior technology. But here is what stops me: There is nothing in MSDN on WTL. Therefore, it is obviously unsupported. If I spend time developing software with MFC and run into a problem I can go to my boss and say "There is a problem with MFC, I will go to the documentation and figure it out". He will say "OK" If I spend time developing the same application with WTL and run into a problem I will go to my boss and say "There is a problem with WTL". He will say "So, go to MSDN and figure out how to fix it". I will say "Can't, it is not supported". He will say "You spent all this time developing with a systems that is not supported". I will say "Yes". He will say "Your fired". "Humans: The final chapter in the evolution of rats"
Don't forget that it is only a collection of header files - any bugs can be easily fixed. I keep a copy of WTL7 in our main CVS repository so I can easily apply any fixes and have all dependent products updated immediately. I tried fixing some problems in MFC7 recently - HA! Compiling a new version of MFC (yes, I was that desperate :() is no fun. MFC is on its last legs - v7 has been a nightmare for me so far and has made me realise how much easier WTL is once you have gained some experience (I started by converting some small dialog-based MFC apps of mine - an excellent way to get started). BTW, The Yahoo group is an excellent source for support - if you convert, you will not be alone!
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
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Don't forget that it is only a collection of header files - any bugs can be easily fixed. I keep a copy of WTL7 in our main CVS repository so I can easily apply any fixes and have all dependent products updated immediately. I tried fixing some problems in MFC7 recently - HA! Compiling a new version of MFC (yes, I was that desperate :() is no fun. MFC is on its last legs - v7 has been a nightmare for me so far and has made me realise how much easier WTL is once you have gained some experience (I started by converting some small dialog-based MFC apps of mine - an excellent way to get started). BTW, The Yahoo group is an excellent source for support - if you convert, you will not be alone!
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
Compiling MFC, jeez that's bad - real bad. I would love to see full WTL support for MFC classes, eg. CMutex etc. maybe the next release of WTL will have classes that mirror MFC so that MFC->WTL migration is simple. Oh and BTW Robert cheers *showing me the light* I need to move away from MFC, I been using it for far too long and know far too much, I need to focus my energies on more ATL/WTL. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Woohoo! Well done Normski. You won't be disappointed. Another convert to the Church of the Holy Template Library. :cool:
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
and praise the lord, I'll be attending the Church on a daily baises. I Need to port a whole lot of MFC stuff over to WTL, that should keep me busy for a while. :) On another note; Why don't M$ host a WTL newsgroup it would be better than hosting it in yahoo groups :~ Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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At least, I've seen the light, thanks to Robert Edward Caldecott for guiding me to WTL. I've successfully converted a network client application with hi graphics presentation to WTL. Bliss utter bliss! :-D Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Welcome!!!! Hehe, I was there when you posted that you were a newbie to the WTL user group. I remember one guy mocking you. Imagine, Norm Almond a newbie at anything C++ related! :-) I'm also just finishing up a WTL app that looks like it will be responsible for saving me my job. How's that for WTL bliss? I'm just glad another CP regular is joining the club!! ;P ;P ;P Senkwe And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories, decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.
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Woohoo! Well done Normski. You won't be disappointed. Another convert to the Church of the Holy Template Library. :cool:
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote: Another convert to the Church of the Holy Template Library It's been almost a year and a half since I sinned against the church :-) And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories, decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.
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Welcome!!!! Hehe, I was there when you posted that you were a newbie to the WTL user group. I remember one guy mocking you. Imagine, Norm Almond a newbie at anything C++ related! :-) I'm also just finishing up a WTL app that looks like it will be responsible for saving me my job. How's that for WTL bliss? I'm just glad another CP regular is joining the club!! ;P ;P ;P Senkwe And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories, decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.
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Compiling MFC, jeez that's bad - real bad. I would love to see full WTL support for MFC classes, eg. CMutex etc. maybe the next release of WTL will have classes that mirror MFC so that MFC->WTL migration is simple. Oh and BTW Robert cheers *showing me the light* I need to move away from MFC, I been using it for far too long and know far too much, I need to focus my energies on more ATL/WTL. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: I been using it for far too long and know far too much, I need to focus my energies on more ATL/WTL. That is exactly what I was thinking back in January when I decided to learn WTL!
Faith. Believing in something you *know* isn't true.
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Welcome!!!! Hehe, I was there when you posted that you were a newbie to the WTL user group. I remember one guy mocking you. Imagine, Norm Almond a newbie at anything C++ related! :-) I'm also just finishing up a WTL app that looks like it will be responsible for saving me my job. How's that for WTL bliss? I'm just glad another CP regular is joining the club!! ;P ;P ;P Senkwe And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories, decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.
Senkwe My only fustration with WTL is all the MFC utility classes are missing such as CFile etc. I might start porting these classes over to WTL as and when needed. The WTL could do with a repository for such classes maybe in a open source repository. It might be a good idea to put it to the WTL forum? Norm Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
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Compiling MFC, jeez that's bad - real bad. I would love to see full WTL support for MFC classes, eg. CMutex etc. maybe the next release of WTL will have classes that mirror MFC so that MFC->WTL migration is simple. Oh and BTW Robert cheers *showing me the light* I need to move away from MFC, I been using it for far too long and know far too much, I need to focus my energies on more ATL/WTL. Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Geez.. why not write your own using the MFC classes as a.. ahem... template? :) It's not like they're rocket science or anything... very simple at their core. -- Where are we going? And why am I in this handbasket?
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Senkwe My only fustration with WTL is all the MFC utility classes are missing such as CFile etc. I might start porting these classes over to WTL as and when needed. The WTL could do with a repository for such classes maybe in a open source repository. It might be a good idea to put it to the WTL forum? Norm Normski. - Professional Windows Programmer
Norm Almond wrote: The WTL could do with a repository for such classes maybe in a open source repository Yes, the usual procedure is to post it to Nenad and the newsgroup. When Nenad has the time, he usually accepts suggestions and implements them (or at least incorporates someones implementation into the next WTL release). When you say "open source" I hope you don't mean GPL, hehe, since he works for MS and all :rolleyes: But I'm sure your contributions will be greatly accepted. And when God, who created the entire universe with all of its glories, decides to deliver a message to humanity, He WILL NOT use, as His messenger, a person on cable TV with a bad hairstyle.