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Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: We don't know all the facts. Sure it's wrong to hurt an innocent handcuffed person, but whose to say the kid was innocent? For all we know this kid could have pulled a knife or a gun on them. What would you do? Until I know all the facts, which may never happen, I'm not gonna say one side was wrong while the other was right. That kind of knee-jerk finger pointing is what causes problems like this in the first place. There's NOTHING the kid could have done that would warrant or excuse the abuse after the arrest and handcuffing. The cop shouldn't be fired, he should be arrested. He should have been arrested on the spot by every other police officer on the scene. I rarely buy into police abuse claims, because I fully understand the danger a cop is under and why he must sometimes "fight dirty" during an arrest. But, as you yourself just said, the kid was already under arrest and was handcuffed. No excuses are available to this officer. This is hardly "knee-jerk finger pointing". William E. Kempf
There's NOTHING the kid could have done that would warrant or excuse the abuse after the arrest and handcuffing. The cop shouldn't be fired, he should be arrested. He should have been arrested on the spot by every other police officer on the scene. What about grabbing the balls of the officer after he was handcuffed? This is "knee-jerk finger pointing" at its finest. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
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Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: We don't know all the facts. Sure it's wrong to hurt an innocent handcuffed person, but whose to say the kid was innocent? For all we know this kid could have pulled a knife or a gun on them. What would you do? Until I know all the facts, which may never happen, I'm not gonna say one side was wrong while the other was right. That kind of knee-jerk finger pointing is what causes problems like this in the first place. There's NOTHING the kid could have done that would warrant or excuse the abuse after the arrest and handcuffing. The cop shouldn't be fired, he should be arrested. He should have been arrested on the spot by every other police officer on the scene. I rarely buy into police abuse claims, because I fully understand the danger a cop is under and why he must sometimes "fight dirty" during an arrest. But, as you yourself just said, the kid was already under arrest and was handcuffed. No excuses are available to this officer. This is hardly "knee-jerk finger pointing". William E. Kempf
So you were there to see what happened before the tape started rolling? Please share.
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: We don't know all the facts. Sure it's wrong to hurt an innocent handcuffed person, but whose to say the kid was innocent? Umm.. it's wrong for the cops to hurt _anyone_ who is handcuffed and down. Did you see the damn video? Kid was on his stomach on the car; cop comes up, picks him up by the neck, and punches him hard in the face. There is no excuse, rationale, justification, anything for that. None at all. Zero. Zip. Silver. Member No. 11300 wrote: That kind of knee-jerk finger pointing is what causes problems like this in the first place. No; what causes problems like this is that cops live in their own little world. They only socialize with each other; they see everyone who's not a cop as a possible criminal; and they're always on a hair-trigeer, fealing everyone around them could pull a gun on them at any moment. (Yes, some of it's justified.)
Yeah I saw the video. I prefer to give the police the benefit of the doubt though, or at least a chance to voice their side of the story. I haven't heard anything yet. Just a lot of hot-heads crying "Rodney King! Rodney King!"
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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There's NOTHING the kid could have done that would warrant or excuse the abuse after the arrest and handcuffing. The cop shouldn't be fired, he should be arrested. He should have been arrested on the spot by every other police officer on the scene. What about grabbing the balls of the officer after he was handcuffed? This is "knee-jerk finger pointing" at its finest. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
Tim Smith wrote: What about grabbing the balls of the officer after he was handcuffed? Difficult to do when handcuffed (especially if the cop has had an ounce of training, as they learn how to avoid things like this). Regardless, this is not life threatening and would not warrant the response seen in the video. Tim Smith wrote: This is "knee-jerk finger pointing" at its finest. Well, you're entitled to that opinion, but I think it's wrong. It's a reasoned and logical conclusion reached despite having some knowledge of what a cop's life is like and a tendency to take the other side of the fence in most cases of claims of police brutality. Sorry, the cop really has no excuse for his actions. I may be pointing fingers, but it's not "knee jerk" and is more then warranted. William E. Kempf
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So you were there to see what happened before the tape started rolling? Please share.
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
Did you read my post? What happened before the tape started rolling is irrelevant in this particular case. The kid was apprehended, HANDCUFFED, and sprawled against the cruiser for several seconds before the cop started to beat on him. Self defense doesn't apply, and anger is never an excuse for breaking the law. William E. Kempf
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Did you read my post? What happened before the tape started rolling is irrelevant in this particular case. The kid was apprehended, HANDCUFFED, and sprawled against the cruiser for several seconds before the cop started to beat on him. Self defense doesn't apply, and anger is never an excuse for breaking the law. William E. Kempf
Yes, but members of the public must learn to respect offices of the law, and if thumping him into the car and giving him a few smacks in the head is the way of doing it, so be it. We have become to politically correct and give in to stupid liberal desires these days. I'm unsure of California law but most places now give youths too much ability to break the law and not been punished severly. And it appears that officer was just passing out some summary justice. Regardz Colin J Davies
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I have to strongly disagree with these statements. I would like to point out that I am as much a law and order republican as anyone and am a gun owner and a fierce defender of our conatitution. In other words I am anything but a beeding liberal. However when one is in the custody of law enforcement and is renderd harmless he/she should not be mistreated in any sense by anyone. that is, in itself , a crime and must be trated as such. Not only would I fire all officers involved I would hold them up to criminal charges and prosecute them to the max. I don't care what the person did before he was in custody. There is no excuse except cowardance and inbred brutality for what I saw on that video. If getting rid of that type of action in America means firing cops right and left then lets begin. We are safer with criminals we can defend against than we are crooked cops that we can't defiend against. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
Richard Stringer wrote: However when one is in the custody of law enforcement and is renderd harmless he/she should not be mistreated in any sense by anyone. Sure, but this kid was only handcuffed, that in my opinion does not render him harmless. I disagree the soft cops have now given the good hard cops a bad name. Crooked cops on the take should be imprisoned, but decent hard cops fighting for law and order every day should be given more resources and better remunerated. Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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I have to strongly disagree with these statements. I would like to point out that I am as much a law and order republican as anyone and am a gun owner and a fierce defender of our conatitution. In other words I am anything but a beeding liberal. However when one is in the custody of law enforcement and is renderd harmless he/she should not be mistreated in any sense by anyone. that is, in itself , a crime and must be trated as such. Not only would I fire all officers involved I would hold them up to criminal charges and prosecute them to the max. I don't care what the person did before he was in custody. There is no excuse except cowardance and inbred brutality for what I saw on that video. If getting rid of that type of action in America means firing cops right and left then lets begin. We are safer with criminals we can defend against than we are crooked cops that we can't defiend against. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
The key words above are: Richard Stringer wrote: is renderd harmless Being in law-enforcement I can tell you that a handcuffed prisoner is a little less dangerous than one that isn't. He can still kick :omg:, grab :wtf:, bite :eek: among other things assuming he isn't an experienced fighter. War stories follow....:-O I answered a call one night where a guy (6'5", 240+ mostly muscle) had just finished beating his girlfriend to a pulp. (An ex-Nebraska football player.) It was a serious beating she took. He had locked himself into their apartment. While my partner was getting information from her, I was trying to talk to him through the door to try and come to a nice quiet solution...or call tac if he was determined to stay in there. After a lull in the dialog I heard him jumping out the back patio. I called for my partner and chased him around the corner. He turned to fight....and the fight was on! Now, you know that according to liberals I should have let him go and picked him up later rather than risk hurting him!! ;P It was a very short fight since I was a little better at it than he. I didn't take any extra enforcement out on him although looking at his girlfriend...:mad:. So he was in cuffs. When I took him out to the car to searched him, he still tried kicking and bitting, and I, similar to what we saw on TV, had to force him back onto the trunk before he could hurt me. Then when we tried to get him into the car I was kicked in a very private place :eek:. He wouldn't get in the car and he continued to fight. So, I took him down to the ground. I didn't have too many options and for my safety, that was about all I could do with him. Going down to the ground with someone with their hands cuffed who is fighting you is going to hurt him. It did. We tied his legs so he couldn't kick and pulled his t-shirt up over his head so he couldn't really see to spit or bite. Now...if the only part of that you saw was me tossing this poor misguided soul to the ground with his hands cuffed you'd be saying the same thing about me you are about this kid. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, given the situation I was in, I had to do what I did. A good shot to the groin can kill. I really wanted to go home that night...not in a bag though. I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. ed 'The
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Richard Stringer wrote: However when one is in the custody of law enforcement and is renderd harmless he/she should not be mistreated in any sense by anyone. Sure, but this kid was only handcuffed, that in my opinion does not render him harmless. I disagree the soft cops have now given the good hard cops a bad name. Crooked cops on the take should be imprisoned, but decent hard cops fighting for law and order every day should be given more resources and better remunerated. Regardz Colin J Davies
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The key words above are: Richard Stringer wrote: is renderd harmless Being in law-enforcement I can tell you that a handcuffed prisoner is a little less dangerous than one that isn't. He can still kick :omg:, grab :wtf:, bite :eek: among other things assuming he isn't an experienced fighter. War stories follow....:-O I answered a call one night where a guy (6'5", 240+ mostly muscle) had just finished beating his girlfriend to a pulp. (An ex-Nebraska football player.) It was a serious beating she took. He had locked himself into their apartment. While my partner was getting information from her, I was trying to talk to him through the door to try and come to a nice quiet solution...or call tac if he was determined to stay in there. After a lull in the dialog I heard him jumping out the back patio. I called for my partner and chased him around the corner. He turned to fight....and the fight was on! Now, you know that according to liberals I should have let him go and picked him up later rather than risk hurting him!! ;P It was a very short fight since I was a little better at it than he. I didn't take any extra enforcement out on him although looking at his girlfriend...:mad:. So he was in cuffs. When I took him out to the car to searched him, he still tried kicking and bitting, and I, similar to what we saw on TV, had to force him back onto the trunk before he could hurt me. Then when we tried to get him into the car I was kicked in a very private place :eek:. He wouldn't get in the car and he continued to fight. So, I took him down to the ground. I didn't have too many options and for my safety, that was about all I could do with him. Going down to the ground with someone with their hands cuffed who is fighting you is going to hurt him. It did. We tied his legs so he couldn't kick and pulled his t-shirt up over his head so he couldn't really see to spit or bite. Now...if the only part of that you saw was me tossing this poor misguided soul to the ground with his hands cuffed you'd be saying the same thing about me you are about this kid. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, given the situation I was in, I had to do what I did. A good shot to the groin can kill. I really wanted to go home that night...not in a bag though. I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. ed 'The
Exactly !! I have seen a handcuffed guy knock one officer unconscious and give another officer a bit of a beating. How it happened, as he was "being placed in the back seat of a squad car he turned fell with his back onto the rear seat and double kicked one of the officers flying, bounced out and roundhoused booted the other officer. It happened extrely fast. The injuried officer drew his batton and beat the guy a few times well, (our cops are unarmed). Some other cops ran over and threw the guy into the car, where from the inside he proceeded to kick out most of the windows etc. ( B_Hadcuffed != B_rendered_harmless ) Regardz Colin J Davies
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The key words above are: Richard Stringer wrote: is renderd harmless Being in law-enforcement I can tell you that a handcuffed prisoner is a little less dangerous than one that isn't. He can still kick :omg:, grab :wtf:, bite :eek: among other things assuming he isn't an experienced fighter. War stories follow....:-O I answered a call one night where a guy (6'5", 240+ mostly muscle) had just finished beating his girlfriend to a pulp. (An ex-Nebraska football player.) It was a serious beating she took. He had locked himself into their apartment. While my partner was getting information from her, I was trying to talk to him through the door to try and come to a nice quiet solution...or call tac if he was determined to stay in there. After a lull in the dialog I heard him jumping out the back patio. I called for my partner and chased him around the corner. He turned to fight....and the fight was on! Now, you know that according to liberals I should have let him go and picked him up later rather than risk hurting him!! ;P It was a very short fight since I was a little better at it than he. I didn't take any extra enforcement out on him although looking at his girlfriend...:mad:. So he was in cuffs. When I took him out to the car to searched him, he still tried kicking and bitting, and I, similar to what we saw on TV, had to force him back onto the trunk before he could hurt me. Then when we tried to get him into the car I was kicked in a very private place :eek:. He wouldn't get in the car and he continued to fight. So, I took him down to the ground. I didn't have too many options and for my safety, that was about all I could do with him. Going down to the ground with someone with their hands cuffed who is fighting you is going to hurt him. It did. We tied his legs so he couldn't kick and pulled his t-shirt up over his head so he couldn't really see to spit or bite. Now...if the only part of that you saw was me tossing this poor misguided soul to the ground with his hands cuffed you'd be saying the same thing about me you are about this kid. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, given the situation I was in, I had to do what I did. A good shot to the groin can kill. I really wanted to go home that night...not in a bag though. I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. ed 'The
The video clearly shows the perp (yes, I believe he broke a few laws himself) not only handcuffed, but sprawled across the car, and unmoving for several seconds before the officer attacked him. Your story does not jibe with the video evidence in this case, so you can't compare the two. Rodney King, now there was a case where your arguments apply. Sorry, but this isn't the same. The cop was mad and committed asault, plain and simple. William E. Kempf
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Colin Davies wrote: given more resources and better remunerated AMEN! ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
I'll second this. But the sentiment doesn't apply to the evidence in this specific case. The cop commited assault. William E. Kempf
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Colin Davies wrote: given more resources and better remunerated AMEN! ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
Yeah, On that issue Police forces need to recruit and retain better quality of individuals and then train and retrain them better. As they say "If you pay peanuts you get monkeys", In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Yes, but members of the public must learn to respect offices of the law, and if thumping him into the car and giving him a few smacks in the head is the way of doing it, so be it. We have become to politically correct and give in to stupid liberal desires these days. I'm unsure of California law but most places now give youths too much ability to break the law and not been punished severly. And it appears that officer was just passing out some summary justice. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Colin Davies wrote: Yes, but members of the public must learn to respect offices of the law, and if thumping him into the car and giving him a few smacks in the head is the way of doing it, so be it. Ahh... so cops are above the law then. This attitude is scarier then the attitude exhibited by the bleading heart liberals who scream foul at everything and have pushed PC to the point that you're gauranteed to offend someone know matter what you do. William E. Kempf
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The problem is this becomes a he said/he said case. Unfortunately for the officer the video only shows his actions. But how often on the news do you hear about the following: 1. There is video evidence that the officer was injured. How does the office get injured by a 'cooperating' person. 2. The officer claims that the person was still resisting even after he was handcuffed. He specifically mentions that the person grabbed his balls. (Which is doable when handcuffed from behind while the officer is still behind you.) But, alas. All that has to be done is to have RACISM and police brutality screamed. Then it becomes a witch-hunt. I don't know who is at fault. I do thing the officer probably went too far. But I also wonder about "kicking the crap out of the officer" and then giving up. Officer can't touch you. (Which is the right thing) But what happens to these twits. They still should get sent up the river. We have enough bad cops. We just tosses an ex-Sheriff in jail for murder. We don't have to go on witch-hunts looking for more. If the cop did wrong, he should be punished for it. However, the witch-hunt is making hard for him to get fair treatment. Tim Smith I know what you're thinking punk, you're thinking did he spell check this document? Well, to tell you the truth I kinda forgot myself in all this excitement. But being this here's CodeProject, the most powerful forums in the world and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question, Do I feel lucky? Well do ya punk?
Tim Smith wrote: 1. There is video evidence that the officer was injured. How does the office get injured by a 'cooperating' person. Who claimed he was a "cooperating person"? Tim Smith wrote: 2. The officer claims that the person was still resisting even after he was handcuffed. He specifically mentions that the person grabbed his balls. (Which is doable when handcuffed from behind while the officer is still behind you.) The cop needs more training then. Given the position the kid was in, the cop put himself in harms way if the kid managed to grab his balls. In any event, it's evident from the video that this isn't the case any way. Tim Smith wrote: But, alas. All that has to be done is to have RACISM and police brutality screamed. Then it becomes a witch-hunt. I don't believe the race card here. That's one that would need proof. But I've got enough proof that this cop overstepped his authority and committed a crime. Tim Smith wrote: I don't know who is at fault. I do thing the officer probably went too far. But I also wonder about "kicking the crap out of the officer" and then giving up. Officer can't touch you. (Which is the right thing) But what happens to these twits. They still should get sent up the river. Different argument. No one here's argued that the kid was in the right, or even that he doesn't deserve jail time himself. (Though there's little evidence that we've seen of this beyond the cirumstantial evidence of the cut the officer sustained, which is, unfortunately, called into at least some doubt because of the officer's actions.) William E. Kempf
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The key words above are: Richard Stringer wrote: is renderd harmless Being in law-enforcement I can tell you that a handcuffed prisoner is a little less dangerous than one that isn't. He can still kick :omg:, grab :wtf:, bite :eek: among other things assuming he isn't an experienced fighter. War stories follow....:-O I answered a call one night where a guy (6'5", 240+ mostly muscle) had just finished beating his girlfriend to a pulp. (An ex-Nebraska football player.) It was a serious beating she took. He had locked himself into their apartment. While my partner was getting information from her, I was trying to talk to him through the door to try and come to a nice quiet solution...or call tac if he was determined to stay in there. After a lull in the dialog I heard him jumping out the back patio. I called for my partner and chased him around the corner. He turned to fight....and the fight was on! Now, you know that according to liberals I should have let him go and picked him up later rather than risk hurting him!! ;P It was a very short fight since I was a little better at it than he. I didn't take any extra enforcement out on him although looking at his girlfriend...:mad:. So he was in cuffs. When I took him out to the car to searched him, he still tried kicking and bitting, and I, similar to what we saw on TV, had to force him back onto the trunk before he could hurt me. Then when we tried to get him into the car I was kicked in a very private place :eek:. He wouldn't get in the car and he continued to fight. So, I took him down to the ground. I didn't have too many options and for my safety, that was about all I could do with him. Going down to the ground with someone with their hands cuffed who is fighting you is going to hurt him. It did. We tied his legs so he couldn't kick and pulled his t-shirt up over his head so he couldn't really see to spit or bite. Now...if the only part of that you saw was me tossing this poor misguided soul to the ground with his hands cuffed you'd be saying the same thing about me you are about this kid. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, given the situation I was in, I had to do what I did. A good shot to the groin can kill. I really wanted to go home that night...not in a bag though. I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. ed 'The
Again I say- BULLSHIT!!! You are equating a situation where you and one other officer was apprehending a , by your very own description, 6'4" 240 lb individual in good physical shape. Of course you youself violated just about all the safety rules in the world when you took aut after him. What if, instead of turning to fight , he turned with a gun or a knife. Now you are in a no win situation you are either going to be killed or injured or have to kill or injure to get out of this little melee you have put youself in. Sentenced to death for suspected spousal abuse ? So in this case the liberals were right. However it worked in your case so alls well that ends well. You used sufficent force to obtain the arrest and maintain your safety. No more - no less. What a officer is supposed to do. What they are TRAINED to do. The police, and I use that word lightly, in the case in question had the so called bad guys outnumbered by about 3 to 1 and the suspect in question was a 16 year old kid that looks like he may weigh in at about 140 wet. And he was subdued. Not just handcuffed but under the physical control of two officers. And he was struck from behind with a closed fist by a third. This is just the work of an enraged punk and if we don't all quit trying to defend his actions we are simply setting the stage for it to happen to us or someone we love. He and the officers that let it happen all violated the trust placed on them when they became sworn officers with all the privilidges that that position provides - to serve and protect. They did not serve nor protect this unlucky person from their own. And now the big blue wall will form and try to protect them from punishment for their acts. Its crazy people. How does one protect themselves against bad cops ? Its impossible and the only rational solution is to get rid of bad cops - period. Cops like to use the words "Zero Tolerance". Here is a good place to apply it. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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Richard Stringer wrote: However when one is in the custody of law enforcement and is renderd harmless he/she should not be mistreated in any sense by anyone. Sure, but this kid was only handcuffed, that in my opinion does not render him harmless. I disagree the soft cops have now given the good hard cops a bad name. Crooked cops on the take should be imprisoned, but decent hard cops fighting for law and order every day should be given more resources and better remunerated. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Sure, but this kid was only handcuffed, that in my opinion does not render him harmless. So what about shooting him in the head a couple of times. then he'd be harmless. Right. Ok thats a bit drastic. So lets just knock him out with a billyclub and hope he doesn't get a subdural hematoma- of course if he does we can claim he was resisting arrest by ducking while we were trying to hit him. Stand up and take it boy !!!If you are innocent you will get out of the hospital in a week or so so whats the problem ? The ability of some to rationalize is a source of constant amazement to me. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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The video clearly shows the perp (yes, I believe he broke a few laws himself) not only handcuffed, but sprawled across the car, and unmoving for several seconds before the officer attacked him. Your story does not jibe with the video evidence in this case, so you can't compare the two. Rodney King, now there was a case where your arguments apply. Sorry, but this isn't the same. The cop was mad and committed asault, plain and simple. William E. Kempf
I can not believe that so many of you guys were there and saw all off this! Unbelievable! My perp was motionless for a few seconds before I tossed him too. Are you going to tell me I assulted him? I was mad and tired too! What I am trying to get across is that you seeing a small slice in time does not give you a clear enough picture to convict an officer. The vidoes from the store should give a clearer picture of what happened. At least give them time to get those processed before you convict. If they just walked up and started beating them like they are alledging, they need to go to the pen like anyone else would. If not...which I suspect, nothing will happen, no apology...nothing for the officers. Ditto on applying to Rodney! Never did get to see the officer get her nose broke. (I think it was a female??) Wonder why she couldn't sue....oh....it's part of the job. We aren't entitled to sue if we are injured. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
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Yeah, On that issue Police forces need to recruit and retain better quality of individuals and then train and retrain them better. As they say "If you pay peanuts you get monkeys", In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. Regardz Colin J Davies
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In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. There is an enherient problem with that. Why don't the pursue another line of work if they are not satisfied with the renumeration ? Is it because they enjoy the power trip, the rush . If so then you don't really want the as peace officers. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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Again I say- BULLSHIT!!! You are equating a situation where you and one other officer was apprehending a , by your very own description, 6'4" 240 lb individual in good physical shape. Of course you youself violated just about all the safety rules in the world when you took aut after him. What if, instead of turning to fight , he turned with a gun or a knife. Now you are in a no win situation you are either going to be killed or injured or have to kill or injure to get out of this little melee you have put youself in. Sentenced to death for suspected spousal abuse ? So in this case the liberals were right. However it worked in your case so alls well that ends well. You used sufficent force to obtain the arrest and maintain your safety. No more - no less. What a officer is supposed to do. What they are TRAINED to do. The police, and I use that word lightly, in the case in question had the so called bad guys outnumbered by about 3 to 1 and the suspect in question was a 16 year old kid that looks like he may weigh in at about 140 wet. And he was subdued. Not just handcuffed but under the physical control of two officers. And he was struck from behind with a closed fist by a third. This is just the work of an enraged punk and if we don't all quit trying to defend his actions we are simply setting the stage for it to happen to us or someone we love. He and the officers that let it happen all violated the trust placed on them when they became sworn officers with all the privilidges that that position provides - to serve and protect. They did not serve nor protect this unlucky person from their own. And now the big blue wall will form and try to protect them from punishment for their acts. Its crazy people. How does one protect themselves against bad cops ? Its impossible and the only rational solution is to get rid of bad cops - period. Cops like to use the words "Zero Tolerance". Here is a good place to apply it. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
At least wait until the vidoes from the store are processed prior to convicting! I would like to see the full story prior to sending someone up the creek. I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong...but I personally don't know any officer who would just walk up and start beating someone like these guy are reporting happened. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper