Inglewood Teen Sues Cops.
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Yeah, On that issue Police forces need to recruit and retain better quality of individuals and then train and retrain them better. As they say "If you pay peanuts you get monkeys", In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. Regardz Colin J Davies
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In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. There is an enherient problem with that. Why don't the pursue another line of work if they are not satisfied with the renumeration ? Is it because they enjoy the power trip, the rush . If so then you don't really want the as peace officers. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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Again I say- BULLSHIT!!! You are equating a situation where you and one other officer was apprehending a , by your very own description, 6'4" 240 lb individual in good physical shape. Of course you youself violated just about all the safety rules in the world when you took aut after him. What if, instead of turning to fight , he turned with a gun or a knife. Now you are in a no win situation you are either going to be killed or injured or have to kill or injure to get out of this little melee you have put youself in. Sentenced to death for suspected spousal abuse ? So in this case the liberals were right. However it worked in your case so alls well that ends well. You used sufficent force to obtain the arrest and maintain your safety. No more - no less. What a officer is supposed to do. What they are TRAINED to do. The police, and I use that word lightly, in the case in question had the so called bad guys outnumbered by about 3 to 1 and the suspect in question was a 16 year old kid that looks like he may weigh in at about 140 wet. And he was subdued. Not just handcuffed but under the physical control of two officers. And he was struck from behind with a closed fist by a third. This is just the work of an enraged punk and if we don't all quit trying to defend his actions we are simply setting the stage for it to happen to us or someone we love. He and the officers that let it happen all violated the trust placed on them when they became sworn officers with all the privilidges that that position provides - to serve and protect. They did not serve nor protect this unlucky person from their own. And now the big blue wall will form and try to protect them from punishment for their acts. Its crazy people. How does one protect themselves against bad cops ? Its impossible and the only rational solution is to get rid of bad cops - period. Cops like to use the words "Zero Tolerance". Here is a good place to apply it. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
At least wait until the vidoes from the store are processed prior to convicting! I would like to see the full story prior to sending someone up the creek. I'll eat my crow if I'm wrong...but I personally don't know any officer who would just walk up and start beating someone like these guy are reporting happened. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
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I can not believe that so many of you guys were there and saw all off this! Unbelievable! My perp was motionless for a few seconds before I tossed him too. Are you going to tell me I assulted him? I was mad and tired too! What I am trying to get across is that you seeing a small slice in time does not give you a clear enough picture to convict an officer. The vidoes from the store should give a clearer picture of what happened. At least give them time to get those processed before you convict. If they just walked up and started beating them like they are alledging, they need to go to the pen like anyone else would. If not...which I suspect, nothing will happen, no apology...nothing for the officers. Ditto on applying to Rodney! Never did get to see the officer get her nose broke. (I think it was a female??) Wonder why she couldn't sue....oh....it's part of the job. We aren't entitled to sue if we are injured. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
There's more then enough evidence to arrest the officer. A conviction might be something all together different, but there's no reason this officer should receive different treatment then anyone else would.* And, again, I think Rodney was a completely different case. I also don't agree with the cop not being able to sue (didn't actually know he wasn't). But in a civil case, if the cop did sue the chances are the judge would consider it a wash and both parties would get nothing. * Just to give you some personal background, I have an uncle who's an officer and I generally tend to side with the cops in cases like this. Not only have I heard the stories from someone I know personally, but I've also seen similar altercations in person on three different occasions. In fact, in those cases the "suspects" sustained much harsher treatment and sustained far worse injuries then this kid, and I'd say they deserved it and there certainly was no law broken. I understand the "time slice" theory and it often applies. If you've seen the video in this specific case, though, I'm not sure how you can still want to give this guy "the benefit of the doubt", at least to the point that you don't arrest him and let him wait for a fair trial. William E. Kempf
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Sure, but this kid was only handcuffed, that in my opinion does not render him harmless. So what about shooting him in the head a couple of times. then he'd be harmless. Right. Ok thats a bit drastic. So lets just knock him out with a billyclub and hope he doesn't get a subdural hematoma- of course if he does we can claim he was resisting arrest by ducking while we were trying to hit him. Stand up and take it boy !!!If you are innocent you will get out of the hospital in a week or so so whats the problem ? The ability of some to rationalize is a source of constant amazement to me. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. There is an enherient problem with that. Why don't the pursue another line of work if they are not satisfied with the renumeration ? Is it because they enjoy the power trip, the rush . If so then you don't really want the as peace officers. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
Most officers stay on the job because it is a calling. Same reason I went into it. The reason I left is I'm white/male. Looked like I was going to have to work 80+ hours a week just to afford living in an apartment since I couldn't get a promotion. Otherwise, I'd probably stayed. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
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In my own country I know officers who leave to go to other countries police forces because the pay and conditions are better. There is an enherient problem with that. Why don't the pursue another line of work if they are not satisfied with the renumeration ? Is it because they enjoy the power trip, the rush . If so then you don't really want the as peace officers. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
Actually being a Policeman pays quite well in comparison to other professions here. But other countries particularly UK, Australia, HK, have recruiting campaigns to get our officers. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Most officers stay on the job because it is a calling. Same reason I went into it. The reason I left is I'm white/male. Looked like I was going to have to work 80+ hours a week just to afford living in an apartment since I couldn't get a promotion. Otherwise, I'd probably stayed. ed The nice thing about egotists is that they don't talk about other people. Lucille Harper
I can understand that. But when one enters the profession one does know that salary scale. same thing with teachers. I can't understand why people moan about their salary unless a promise was made to you that you would make more. And I will even admit that police officers and firefighters are grossly underpaid and would vote to increase their salary provided that they would in turn increase the professionality of their occupation. get rid of the bad cops, the eager beavers, the fat, out of shape firemen. Get rid of the unnecessary glitz things like SWAT and GPS equipped squad cars. Put the officers back on the street where the people they protect can get to know them. This however is not going to happen and until it does the percived seperation between the public and those who protect us will continue. Richard Monarchies, aristocracies, and religions....there was never a country where the majority of the people were in their secret hearts loyal to any of these institutions. Mark Twain - The Mysterious Stranger
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The key words above are: Richard Stringer wrote: is renderd harmless Being in law-enforcement I can tell you that a handcuffed prisoner is a little less dangerous than one that isn't. He can still kick :omg:, grab :wtf:, bite :eek: among other things assuming he isn't an experienced fighter. War stories follow....:-O I answered a call one night where a guy (6'5", 240+ mostly muscle) had just finished beating his girlfriend to a pulp. (An ex-Nebraska football player.) It was a serious beating she took. He had locked himself into their apartment. While my partner was getting information from her, I was trying to talk to him through the door to try and come to a nice quiet solution...or call tac if he was determined to stay in there. After a lull in the dialog I heard him jumping out the back patio. I called for my partner and chased him around the corner. He turned to fight....and the fight was on! Now, you know that according to liberals I should have let him go and picked him up later rather than risk hurting him!! ;P It was a very short fight since I was a little better at it than he. I didn't take any extra enforcement out on him although looking at his girlfriend...:mad:. So he was in cuffs. When I took him out to the car to searched him, he still tried kicking and bitting, and I, similar to what we saw on TV, had to force him back onto the trunk before he could hurt me. Then when we tried to get him into the car I was kicked in a very private place :eek:. He wouldn't get in the car and he continued to fight. So, I took him down to the ground. I didn't have too many options and for my safety, that was about all I could do with him. Going down to the ground with someone with their hands cuffed who is fighting you is going to hurt him. It did. We tied his legs so he couldn't kick and pulled his t-shirt up over his head so he couldn't really see to spit or bite. Now...if the only part of that you saw was me tossing this poor misguided soul to the ground with his hands cuffed you'd be saying the same thing about me you are about this kid. I know beyond a shadow of a doubt, given the situation I was in, I had to do what I did. A good shot to the groin can kill. I really wanted to go home that night...not in a bag though. I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. ed 'The
Ed K wrote: I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. Not a fucking chance. It is not even close to your personal account with the ex-football player. This guy was 140 lb soaking wet, the officer picked him up like a rag doll and slammed him into the car. He wasn't in a position to do anything as the officer who outweighed him by heaps was leaning on him. He couldn't move let alone hurt anyone. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002
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The award will obviously be much less when and if the final judgement is made. Most cities have insurance policies for this and only a small percentage of the payment will be actual public funds. I don't like to see police brutality like this and think the officer should be fired regardless of court findings. I also feel that the other officers present should be disciplined for not pulling him away. From the video I saw I believe there were 3-4 others holding the person and several in the background. All it would have taken was for one of them to pull the officer away.
Mark Nischalke wrote: Most cities have insurance policies for this and only a small percentage of the payment will be actual public funds. When next time you have to pay more for your health, house or/and car insurance, you will discover that it has come back to bite your a... "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Yes, but members of the public must learn to respect offices of the law, and if thumping him into the car and giving him a few smacks in the head is the way of doing it, so be it. We have become to politically correct and give in to stupid liberal desires these days. I'm unsure of California law but most places now give youths too much ability to break the law and not been punished severly. And it appears that officer was just passing out some summary justice. Regardz Colin J Davies
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Oh ok, so it is illegal to beat the crap out of someone, unless off course your'e really pissed and the f... deserved it?. Not very civilized is it?... "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!" -Rincewind
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Ed K wrote: I'm sorry...you were not there, you don't have a clue about what the real story is and until you do....please give the officers every amount of reasonable doubt liberals love to give their beloved criminals. Not a fucking chance. It is not even close to your personal account with the ex-football player. This guy was 140 lb soaking wet, the officer picked him up like a rag doll and slammed him into the car. He wasn't in a position to do anything as the officer who outweighed him by heaps was leaning on him. He couldn't move let alone hurt anyone. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually about midnight). But the neighbors have lately taken up the habit of staying up late. And looking up, at times, from their dreary, pointless lives..." - Roger Wright 15/05/2002
I'm 6'3" 225#. I've had to try to arrest kids that were smaller than this kid. It's not an easy task. Course I'm sure you've done that and been there so I'll just shut up and acknowledge that you know better than I so you go ahead and tell me how to do it. Maybe I should just do it like they do on TV? Politely ask the kid to stop hitting me on the nose so I can apply the handcuffs? Yea, that works. "Please sir, hold still while I frisk you." Yep, that alway workeded on every punk I detained. I'm sure you've seen it done on cop shows. I'm betting you think we shoot to wound or knock the gun out of their hand from the hip too!!! :laugh: Get Real! I suggest going to a police station in the roughest part of town and riding a few times with the officers who have the worst beat during the hottest part of the year. After you've taken your reality pill we will talk...unless you spend the whole time in the floorboard! ed
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Did you read my post? What happened before the tape started rolling is irrelevant in this particular case. The kid was apprehended, HANDCUFFED, and sprawled against the cruiser for several seconds before the cop started to beat on him. Self defense doesn't apply, and anger is never an excuse for breaking the law. William E. Kempf
In an ideal world yes. Until we get robo-cops who feel no emotion and simply go along with procedure no matter what the circumstances we're gonna keep seeing things like this every once in a while.
"I'm not saying there should be a capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" -xterm
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I'm 6'3" 225#. I've had to try to arrest kids that were smaller than this kid. It's not an easy task. Course I'm sure you've done that and been there so I'll just shut up and acknowledge that you know better than I so you go ahead and tell me how to do it. Maybe I should just do it like they do on TV? Politely ask the kid to stop hitting me on the nose so I can apply the handcuffs? Yea, that works. "Please sir, hold still while I frisk you." Yep, that alway workeded on every punk I detained. I'm sure you've seen it done on cop shows. I'm betting you think we shoot to wound or knock the gun out of their hand from the hip too!!! :laugh: Get Real! I suggest going to a police station in the roughest part of town and riding a few times with the officers who have the worst beat during the hottest part of the year. After you've taken your reality pill we will talk...unless you spend the whole time in the floorboard! ed
Ed K wrote: I'm 6'3" 225#. I've had to try to arrest kids that were smaller than this kid. It's not an easy task. Course I'm sure you've done that and been there so I'll just shut up and acknowledge that you know better than I so you go ahead and tell me how to do it. Maybe I should just do it like they do on TV? Politely ask the kid to stop hitting me on the nose so I can apply the handcuffs? Yea, that works. "Please sir, hold still while I frisk you." Yep, that alway workeded on every punk I detained. I'm sure you've seen it done on cop shows. I'm betting you think we shoot to wound or knock the gun out of their hand from the hip too!!! Great response, did you smoke, pop or inject first? The kid was already detained, rag dolled and contained. So your arguement is sounding hollower and hollower. I have at no stage claimed a law enforcement or military background, but this still doesn't nullify the fact the kid in question in this particular case (not any you have been involved in) was well an truly contained. We must get different American TV shows than they show over there. Here guns are drawn in almost all shows for a speeding ticket or jay walking. I know that the accuracy of pistols and the officers themselves would leave no chance of wounding hand/shoulder etc. even if they had time to brace and aim. Ed K wrote: Get Real! I suggest going to a police station in the roughest part of town and riding a few times with the officers who have the worst beat during the hottest part of the year. After you've taken your reality pill we will talk...unless you spend the whole time in the floorboard! Come on over to Mount Druitt and look around, I live here. 6' 2", 210 lbs and I am one of the smaller ones. We have Moari, Tongan, Somoan and shitloads of other nationalities that make your ex-football player look small. Most of them run around in gangs and the police are running around the streets every night after them. I walk amongst and through them every day and we don't have guns to make us feel brave. Otherwise if you fell the need you can come over, I will handcuff you and have 2 of my big mates hold you while I beat you about American Police Officer style. I'll just sit around and wait for the brutality apologist to come out of the woodwork in my defence. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "In Summer, I like to dance naked on the roof to celebrate the event of the temperature finally falling below 40C (usually abo