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    ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

    cheers, Chris Maunder

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      ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

      cheers, Chris Maunder

      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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      Chris Maunder wrote:

      It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

      Yeah. The way I figure it, Steve Balmer's boyfriend must ask him to wear two c.... for extra protection, and that sort of made its way into the Vista philosophy. ok, that was my sick and twisted comment for the week. Marc

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        ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

        cheers, Chris Maunder

        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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        Well, Agree 1000 % I would not be worried about Vista, My software has neither Use nor Need for it, if it were not for the fact that Microsoft has decided to forcefeed us all with Vista, seeing that people are reluctant to buy it voluntarily. One wonders why people shun it. Existing Applications Fail because newly introduced or newly enforced rules, and, maybe there is a case for it all in Corporate America. (I always look in disbelieve at the NewRiders Series, where they mention a Small subsidiary having only 15000 Computers). In Europe, bar a few Notable exceptions, a company having 50 computers would be very large indeed. The businesses I deal with have mostly only one, some have two, but five would be the maximum. Security Policies and all that sort of crap is something to us here that seems to have been written in cloud cooko land. All those complicated security systems are at best an overkill, and at worst a terrible nuisance that you may spend hours on to eradicate from a new system. Windows XP was ideal. It actually worked as Specified, and Recommended (but did not Enforce) the Build for XP Standard. I have been advised by my own legal team that the likely outcome could well be that Buying Vista Pre Installed, and overwriting it with a Counterfit Copy of XP may be quite accepable under European law, on the grounds that: 1. Microsoft does Not loose Out financially because Vista is Paid for, 2. Microsoft provided a Product,(XP) on a wide scale, many products provided by businesses not controlled by microsoft rely for its Marketabiliy On the availability of XP on New Machines) 3. The Alternative Provided by Microsoft does Not provide Full Compatibility (i.e. Code will Break) 4 Microsoft Stopped selling XP. 5. Given Microsoft's Market Dominance, the Stopping of Selling XP and replacing it with an incompatible product would be seen as an act of abusing their dominant position, and any act that smaller entities take to protect their position in the face of this, (such as passing on Counterfit Copies of Windows XP in order to keep Software going) would be seen by the courts as a fair response in the face of adversary practice by a Dominant Market Force

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          ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

          cheers, Chris Maunder

          CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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          Another reason is sucks is that the Vista Windows Explorer can't work with directories that have a couple of thousand files in them without crashing the whole system! :mad:

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            ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

            cheers, Chris Maunder

            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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            Hey What's wrong with an Option in Vista like 'Works Like XP' Even XP had a way of looking and feeling like Win98 If it had that option for most of us in Europe who have no need for the useless new security features, we might actually buy Vista voluntarily. I know No One who has Vista by choice. People have it because it is forced down their throat!

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              ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

              cheers, Chris Maunder

              CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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              Vista has a more professional business style UI. They did that to get rid of the cartoonish XP. However, there really has never been a user friendly OS for the under-educated. When you were a teenager learning to drive you took a class to help. There are tutorials for all new OS that come out to help with the change. Unless there is a profound change in the actual computer itself and how it operates then this will continue to be the case and people will rant and rave until the old OS goes away for good (as did win 95,98,ME, etc.)

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                Hey What's wrong with an Option in Vista like 'Works Like XP' Even XP had a way of looking and feeling like Win98 If it had that option for most of us in Europe who have no need for the useless new security features, we might actually buy Vista voluntarily. I know No One who has Vista by choice. People have it because it is forced down their throat!

                Bram van Kampen

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                I bought it by choice and it works 10 times better than XP.

                I may be Green, but at least I'm environmentally friendly.

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                  Well, Agree 1000 % I would not be worried about Vista, My software has neither Use nor Need for it, if it were not for the fact that Microsoft has decided to forcefeed us all with Vista, seeing that people are reluctant to buy it voluntarily. One wonders why people shun it. Existing Applications Fail because newly introduced or newly enforced rules, and, maybe there is a case for it all in Corporate America. (I always look in disbelieve at the NewRiders Series, where they mention a Small subsidiary having only 15000 Computers). In Europe, bar a few Notable exceptions, a company having 50 computers would be very large indeed. The businesses I deal with have mostly only one, some have two, but five would be the maximum. Security Policies and all that sort of crap is something to us here that seems to have been written in cloud cooko land. All those complicated security systems are at best an overkill, and at worst a terrible nuisance that you may spend hours on to eradicate from a new system. Windows XP was ideal. It actually worked as Specified, and Recommended (but did not Enforce) the Build for XP Standard. I have been advised by my own legal team that the likely outcome could well be that Buying Vista Pre Installed, and overwriting it with a Counterfit Copy of XP may be quite accepable under European law, on the grounds that: 1. Microsoft does Not loose Out financially because Vista is Paid for, 2. Microsoft provided a Product,(XP) on a wide scale, many products provided by businesses not controlled by microsoft rely for its Marketabiliy On the availability of XP on New Machines) 3. The Alternative Provided by Microsoft does Not provide Full Compatibility (i.e. Code will Break) 4 Microsoft Stopped selling XP. 5. Given Microsoft's Market Dominance, the Stopping of Selling XP and replacing it with an incompatible product would be seen as an act of abusing their dominant position, and any act that smaller entities take to protect their position in the face of this, (such as passing on Counterfit Copies of Windows XP in order to keep Software going) would be seen by the courts as a fair response in the face of adversary practice by a Dominant Market Force

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                  Dirk Higbee
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                  Vista was built to run with Longhorn.(originally they were one program) It was also built to run with Forefront Security Client. The three together set up in a business environment properly works like it's supposed to, but you've got companies cutting corners, not upgrading machines or servers(so you have a mixed system), and trying to run a bunch of Vista machines with Windows 2003 Server.(Hello people, new OS and old technology never work well, you must constantly update and upgrade and patch etc, etc until we construct a self-thinking upgrading computer that will do it for us) :-D

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                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                    It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                    Yeah. The way I figure it, Steve Balmer's boyfriend must ask him to wear two c.... for extra protection, and that sort of made its way into the Vista philosophy. ok, that was my sick and twisted comment for the week. Marc

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                    That's sick and twisted? I expected worse, Grizzly, and you disappointed.

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                      ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                      cheers, Chris Maunder

                      CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                      So why are your parents not posting on CodeProject? Hmmm? Hmmm?

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                        ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                        cheers, Chris Maunder

                        CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                        Ravi Bhavnani
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                        Chris Maunder wrote:

                        "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP".

                        Aye!  That's the first thing I did when I bought my new laptop a couple of months ago. :) /ravi

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                          I bought it by choice and it works 10 times better than XP.

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                          As did i, and agree...its much more responsive and faster than XP was/is.

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                            ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                            cheers, Chris Maunder

                            CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                            The only reason for me to install service pack would be to see if they have fixed teh issue with explorer and File Open/Save dialog box.

                            Chris Maunder wrote:

                            My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed.

                            Trust me, the best OS for parents in MacOSX. You should have bought them a MacBook. Not only it is very easy to learn but it is very simple to set up most things such as backups, VPN and wireless connections.

                            You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                              So why are your parents not posting on CodeProject? Hmmm? Hmmm?

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                              Wait a minute! :~

                              cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                The only reason for me to install service pack would be to see if they have fixed teh issue with explorer and File Open/Save dialog box.

                                Chris Maunder wrote:

                                My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed.

                                Trust me, the best OS for parents in MacOSX. You should have bought them a MacBook. Not only it is very easy to learn but it is very simple to set up most things such as backups, VPN and wireless connections.

                                You have, what I would term, a very formal turn of phrase not seen in these isles since the old King passed from this world to the next. martin_hughes on VDK

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                                Chris Maunder
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                                Yeah, but Dad's a big video game addict. Like son, like Father...

                                cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                  Chris Maunder wrote:

                                  It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                                  Yeah. The way I figure it, Steve Balmer's boyfriend must ask him to wear two c.... for extra protection, and that sort of made its way into the Vista philosophy. ok, that was my sick and twisted comment for the week. Marc

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                                  Marc goes where angels fear to tread... I'm just going to close that message and move on. Nothing to see...

                                  cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                    ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                                    cheers, Chris Maunder

                                    CodeProject.com : C++ MVP

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                                    Rajesh R Subramanian
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                                    Chris Maunder wrote:

                                    Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI.

                                    M$ basically re-invented the wheel, and now this means for us that we need to "learn" how to use the wheel. :rolleyes: Not to add the bloat and the sci-fi glassy user interface. I'd be happy if they could put half the time into making the OS more usable and faster than trying to make it pretty. There is just absolutely *NO REASON* why I should use Vista (other than that my client is using it, for no reason and my program has to run on it and so I'll have to test it on Vista). [ADD] Haha. Low votes... I'll be happy if the down voters care to explain a thing or two on why they disagree with me. :rolleyes: [/ADD]

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                                      ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

                                      cheers, Chris Maunder

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                                      I've seen that before in some office applications. Letting a usability blunder like that (offering options that make no sense) that affects ALL users infect a standard system component is not a typical microsoft fuckup. I've groaned and screamed at the pampering that is uspposed to help your parents, and makes my job harder. At least it was "with a plan".

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                                      • C Chris Maunder

                                        ...for my parents. My parents got a new laptop which has Vista installed. The want to download a sidebar gadget because they want to play with the cool new Vista stuff. (Does someone at the Live.com gadget gallery think that maybe, just maybe, a "Search" option would help in that gallery?) So they eventually find a gadget, hit download, and the Save As dialog appears. Up the top is "> Username > Downloads". They aren't familiar with downloads and just want to save it to Desktop. So they click that address box (by clicking on the 'Downloads' part) and nothing happens. so they click the down-arrow at the end and the address changes to "C:\Users\Username\Downloads" plus other options below it, such as http://www.codeproject.com, nytimes and skype. This is the 'Save As' dialog. They are trying to save a download to the desktop. They are, as far as they can tell, being offered a chance to save the download to CodeProject.com. Eventually it's worked out that the 'Browse Folders' button at the bottom will show them the desktop folder and they can save. I don't even bother making excuses or trying to explain this kind of behaviour any more. I just say "Let me know if you want me to wipe it and get you a copy of XP". Vista is meant to be easier and it's not. It's not a matter of getting used to a new UI. It's a matter of old UI behaviour being wrapped and hidden by extra layers of superfluous UI.

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                                        Maybe something is wrong with me. But I really like Vista. ( I might be the only one ) For example. My dad got Vista on his new computer he got last year and it have saved ME a lot of work trying to fix the system. Since he is a click on everything guy. So when he is trying to delete\move files that he should not delete or change something he should not. He will now be presented with a UAC dialog but since he is running a standard user he can't just click "Okey". He needs to enter a password and he know that if he needs to enter that, Then he done something bad. And the "Previous Version" feature have saved him a lot of times because he often opens an old document and use it as a template when writing a new one and often he forget to do "save as" and he overwrites his old document. But now he can retrieve it fast with doing "previous version" on the folder. But I have to admit that It took me a day to show him how all the new stuff worked, And now when he been using it for some month and got used to it, I get less support calls from him then when he was running XP. But not everything is good with Vista. For example the new explorer was not my friend for a while. It took some time to get used to. ------ A satisfied Vista user.

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                                          I bought it by choice and it works 10 times better than XP.

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                                          It is obvious from other responses that not all feel that way. Not offering XP is just a way to ensure wider Vista adoption. I have a feeling that users may latch on to the any available alternative if MS continues with this policy. If a software that is critical to my business runs on XP, I want to buy a new machine with XP. Just being unsure whether the software will run on Vista gives me enough reason not to buy it. MS should have offered XP for at least a couple of more years until users became comfortable with Vista.

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