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  • L Lost User

    Are you using NTFS Alternate Data Streams? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/105763[^]

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    Pallab_GT
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    No i am not using NTFS alternate file streams.

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    • L Lost User

      Are you using NTFS Alternate Data Streams? http://support.microsoft.com/kb/105763[^]

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      Pallab_GT
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      Text file contains only character codes.What if i can hide data inside the text file without distorting/changing/replacing a single readable character.

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      • L Luc Pattyn

        possible hint: ASCII is a 7-bit code. :)

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        Pallab_GT
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        No...I am not assuming ASCII codes to be 7 bit.

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        • M mabo42

          If you have done it with techniques like Alternate Data Stream[^] , then it's not really data hiding. Please describe your idea. Matthias

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          Pallab_GT
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          No Sir,I have not used the alternate data stream technique.

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          • P Pallab_GT

            I know that a text file contains only character codes.And knowing that i am claiming that i can hide data in the text file without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable letters.

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            pmarfleet
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            Pallab_GT wrote:

            i am claiming that i can hide data in the text file without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable letters

            Then your claim is obviously false. Common sense dictates that data cannot be hidden in a file without requiring the file to be modified. If the file is modified, a diff tool will pick up the changes. If you still believe your claim is true, you are more deluded than I first thought. If you want to perform miracles, maybe you should consider changing careers and become a magician instead of a software developer.

            Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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              Pallab_GT wrote:

              i am claiming that i can hide data in the text file without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable letters

              Then your claim is obviously false. Common sense dictates that data cannot be hidden in a file without requiring the file to be modified. If the file is modified, a diff tool will pick up the changes. If you still believe your claim is true, you are more deluded than I first thought. If you want to perform miracles, maybe you should consider changing careers and become a magician instead of a software developer.

              Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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              You are missing one point again and again...i am insisting upon the fact that i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS. Before u pass comment u should know that it is not necessary that you will know each and every trick of software development.There might be things beyond ur knowing.One more thing...No body in this world knows everything.

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                You are missing one point again and again...i am insisting upon the fact that i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS. Before u pass comment u should know that it is not necessary that you will know each and every trick of software development.There might be things beyond ur knowing.One more thing...No body in this world knows everything.

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                pmarfleet
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                Pallab_GT wrote:

                i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS

                All characters in a text file are readable. That's the whole point; data is stored in text files so it can be read by humans as well as computers. Have a look at the ASCII table[^]. Notice anything? That's right, all the characters are human-readable. Now ask yourself this: if all ASCII characters are readable, what changes can your algorithm make that won't be easily noticed?

                Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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                • P Pallab_GT

                  You are missing one point again and again...i am insisting upon the fact that i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS. Before u pass comment u should know that it is not necessary that you will know each and every trick of software development.There might be things beyond ur knowing.One more thing...No body in this world knows everything.

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                  And what are the UNREADABLE CHARACTERS of a text file? I have to admit I know only a few tricks of software development :sigh: , but I'm striving to learn :rolleyes:

                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                  • M mabo42

                    If you have done it with techniques like Alternate Data Stream[^] , then it's not really data hiding. Please describe your idea. Matthias

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                    Pallab_GT
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                    Can you plse tell me...is it something new if i can hide data inside a text file without changing the fle size even by a single byte and without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable/printable letters of the file

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                      And what are the UNREADABLE CHARACTERS of a text file? I have to admit I know only a few tricks of software development :sigh: , but I'm striving to learn :rolleyes:

                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                      Sir,my knowledge of software development is very limited and you know a lot more than me. I will definitely share my idea...tell me...will it be something new if i can do what i claim? Aspects of my idea- 1.All readable/printable letters of the text file remains absolutely unchanged 2.The size of the file does not change even by a single byte after hiding the data.

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                        Pallab_GT wrote:

                        i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS

                        All characters in a text file are readable. That's the whole point; data is stored in text files so it can be read by humans as well as computers. Have a look at the ASCII table[^]. Notice anything? That's right, all the characters are human-readable. Now ask yourself this: if all ASCII characters are readable, what changes can your algorithm make that won't be easily noticed?

                        Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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                        Sir,my knowledge of software development is very limted.I am a novice in comparison with u.I know u know a lot more than me. Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?

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                          Sir,my knowledge of software development is very limted.I am a novice in comparison with u.I know u know a lot more than me. Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?

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                          Pallab_GT wrote:

                          Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?

                          Not only will it be new, it will be a miracle :rolleyes: Haven't you learned anything from this discussion? You want to hide data in a text file without making noticeable changes. I have demonstrated to you that any change you make to the file is noticeable. Therefore your objective is impossible.

                          Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush

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                            And what are the UNREADABLE CHARACTERS of a text file? I have to admit I know only a few tricks of software development :sigh: , but I'm striving to learn :rolleyes:

                            If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                            This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                            all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)

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                              all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)

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                              No Sir...i am not using that approach.I am usin a very simple but effective approach.And using this approach...i am being able to hide the data in a text file without any change/replacement/distortion whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the file and without changing the file size.

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                              • L Luc Pattyn

                                all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)

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                                CPallini
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                                OK, now put your text file on a floppy or perhaps transfer file content on a network. :)

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                                  OK, now put your text file on a floppy or perhaps transfer file content on a network. :)

                                  If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                  This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                  Pallab_GT
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                                  Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?

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                                    all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)

                                    Luc Pattyn [Forum Guidelines] [My Articles]


                                    This month's tips: - before you ask a question here, search CodeProject, then Google; - the quality and detail of your question reflects on the effectiveness of the help you are likely to get; - use PRE tags to preserve formatting when showing multi-line code snippets.


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                                    While you're listing a set of viable options (though in lost battle, IMHO), our friend keep talking about his occultism superpowers http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=326859&msg=2474129[^]. :-D

                                    If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                    This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                    • P Pallab_GT

                                      Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?

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                                      Pallab_GT wrote:

                                      Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?

                                      Do you need my approval?

                                      If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                      This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                      • P Pallab_GT

                                        Can you plse tell me...is it something new if i can hide data inside a text file without changing the fle size even by a single byte and without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable/printable letters of the file

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                                        mabo42
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                                        Ok, to make a long story short: I think, it's impossible. I think, all necessary was said by parmfleet. I think, it's a miracle (I don't believe in algorithm miracles). In this sense, yes it's new. Matthias

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                                          Pallab_GT wrote:

                                          Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?

                                          Do you need my approval?

                                          If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
                                          This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke

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                                          Pallab_GT
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                                          Sir,My knowledge is very limited in compared to you.So i want to know if i can do what i am claiming...will it be something new?

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