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Pallab_GT wrote:
i am not going to change/replace/distort any of the READBLE CHARACTERS
All characters in a text file are readable. That's the whole point; data is stored in text files so it can be read by humans as well as computers. Have a look at the ASCII table[^]. Notice anything? That's right, all the characters are human-readable. Now ask yourself this: if all ASCII characters are readable, what changes can your algorithm make that won't be easily noticed?
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Sir,my knowledge of software development is very limted.I am a novice in comparison with u.I know u know a lot more than me. Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?
Pallab_GT wrote:
Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?
Not only will it be new, it will be a miracle :rolleyes: Haven't you learned anything from this discussion? You want to hide data in a text file without making noticeable changes. I have demonstrated to you that any change you make to the file is noticeable. Therefore your objective is impossible.
Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush
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And what are the UNREADABLE CHARACTERS of a text file? I have to admit I know only a few tricks of software development :sigh: , but I'm striving to learn :rolleyes:
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This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarkeall the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)
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all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)
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No Sir...i am not using that approach.I am usin a very simple but effective approach.And using this approach...i am being able to hide the data in a text file without any change/replacement/distortion whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the file and without changing the file size.
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all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)
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OK, now put your text file on a floppy or perhaps transfer file content on a network. :)
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OK, now put your text file on a floppy or perhaps transfer file content on a network. :)
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all the bytes between the logical end-of-file and the physical end-of-file is unreadable to the normal application associated with the file type. It can range up to an entire disk cluster (that is several sectors) without being noticed. :)
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While you're listing a set of viable options (though in lost battle, IMHO), our friend keep talking about his occultism superpowers http://www.codeproject.com/script/Forums/View.aspx?fid=326859&msg=2474129[^]. :-D
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Pallab_GT wrote:
Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?
Do you need my approval?
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Can you plse tell me...is it something new if i can hide data inside a text file without changing the fle size even by a single byte and without replacing/changing/distorting any of the readable/printable letters of the file
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Pallab_GT wrote:
Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?
Do you need my approval?
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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Pallab_GT wrote:
Tell me will it be something new if i can prove what i am claiming?
Do you need my approval?
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
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Pallab_GT wrote:
Can you plse tell me will it be something new if i can do what i am claiming to do?
Not only will it be new, it will be a miracle :rolleyes: Haven't you learned anything from this discussion? You want to hide data in a text file without making noticeable changes. I have demonstrated to you that any change you make to the file is noticeable. Therefore your objective is impossible.
Paul Marfleet "No, his mind is not for rent To any God or government" Tom Sawyer - Rush
Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Will you still consider it a miracle?
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Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Will you still consider it a miracle?
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Ok, to make a long story short: I think, it's impossible. I think, all necessary was said by parmfleet. I think, it's a miracle (I don't believe in algorithm miracles). In this sense, yes it's new. Matthias
Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Considering the above...do u really think it's impossible?
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Why don't you just tell that this would be indeed a first application and algorithm that would be capable of data hiding in the way he claims it to do?
codito ergo sum
Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Considering the above...do u still think its impossible? Sir,does it really matter if somebody tells me something because of my persistance?The question is if i can honour what i am saying? I know very little about software development and i sincerely consider you people far more learned than me.That why i am just asking u people if this techniq has already been implemented the way i am claiming it.
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What do yo mean with. The file will change on a binary level.? And how wouldn't that have an impact on the readable Text portion of the file?
codito ergo sum
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Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Considering the above...do u still think its impossible? Sir,does it really matter if somebody tells me something because of my persistance?The question is if i can honour what i am saying? I know very little about software development and i sincerely consider you people far more learned than me.That why i am just asking u people if this techniq has already been implemented the way i am claiming it.
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Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Considering the above...do u really think it's impossible?
Ok, so you change the text file at bit-level, of cource you can use this to "hide data". But consinder, text files are interpreted by editors (programs). Any editor may / may not react to your changes, and EVERY hex-editor / binary compare tool will notice the differences. So the changes are not hidden, and the whole secret is based on your algorithm (of coding your data into bit-changes). Therefore it's not a secret at all. Matthias
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Why don't you just tell that this would be indeed a first application and algorithm that would be capable of data hiding in the way he claims it to do?
codito ergo sum
So, do you think he needs my approval?
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke -
Well Sir,if you comapare the text files(prior and post hiding data versions) bit by bit...there will be obviously some chages.But that change will have no impact whatsoever in any of the readable/printable letters of the file.Not even a single readable/printable letter will be changed/replaced or distorted.Plse note my emphasise on readable/printable letters.There will be some changes in the file in binary level.But,i say again that change in binary level will have no impact whatsoever in the readable/printable letters of the text file,the readable/printable letters will remain absolutely the same as they were before hiding the data.And the size of the file will also remain absolutely unchanged.The size will not change even by a single byte. Considering the above...do u still think its impossible? Sir,does it really matter if somebody tells me something because of my persistance?The question is if i can honour what i am saying? I know very little about software development and i sincerely consider you people far more learned than me.That why i am just asking u people if this techniq has already been implemented the way i am claiming it.
I think we're beating a dead horse. The purpose of this thread is becoming a useless increasing of the poor Mathematics and Algorithms forum. I don't bother if your technique is new or old. I'm just wondering if your algo is able to accomplish the task (the way you claimed) or not. Now, IMHO there are the following alternatives:
(1) You want to keep your algo secret.And you don't want to give any
evidence of its results.
(2) You want to keep your algo secret, But you want to give some evidence
of the results.
(3) You don't want to keep it secret.Under (1) hypothesys, we should stop to beat the horse. Under (2) one, you can provide us a text file with hidden info inside and the original file (without the hidden info inside). Under (3) hypothesys, you may tell us about you prodigious algo or even write an article on the argument. BTW I can't give you a prize for the innovative idea, It is not my role. :)
If the Lord God Almighty had consulted me before embarking upon the Creation, I would have recommended something simpler. -- Alfonso the Wise, 13th Century King of Castile.
This is going on my arrogant assumptions. You may have a superb reason why I'm completely wrong. -- Iain Clarke