DC Handgun Ban
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It would seem beneficial if the courts interpreted this right in its historical context and allowed all citizens the right to carry muskets. Can you carry rocket launchers (you may be attacked by a tank), SAMs (attack from the air is commonplace these days), biological weapons (these could be your only defence if an army was forming on your doorstep), ballistic missiles (a preemptive strike capability is often the best defence - I went to school in the cold war) etc, and if not why not.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
cp9876 wrote:
It would seem beneficial if the courts interpreted this right in its historical context and allowed all citizens the right to carry muskets.
pretty silly. It isn't a context, it is the origin.
cp9876 wrote:
Can you carry rocket launchers
I don't know, but maybe. One element of the history is protection against an out of control government. If tommorrow my local government decided that all citizens who do not swear allegience to Allah be decapitated, they'd play hell coming into my home and attempting to enforce the new law. So in that context I want to be able to own anything up to and including what the government can own.
Mike Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
First, it is an historical right - US citizens have always had it and in today's world, simply because there are bureaucrats that would like to eliminate the right.
Saying you need the right simply because you have it isn't really an argument. Also, saying it's a good right simply because it's a historic one isn't really an argument either.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Saying you need the right simply because you have it isn't really an argument. Also, saying it's a good right simply because it's a historic one isn't really an argument either.
neither are arguments, both are facts.
Mike Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
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It doesn't look like he lives in the US. I know how that's a foreign concept for you.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
Well that just makes is so much easier for a thief. The thief wouldn't have to worry about getting shot. He should just put a sign on the door saying "Unlocked and unarmed".
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Smithers-Jones wrote:
I leave the house without locking the door, never lock my car
Thats extremely foolish! You may realize this someday when you are robbed blind.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Did you ever REALLY try to get into a house or flat? I did several times (used to be a firefighter). It takes exactly one second, locked door or not. So where is the difference. Robbed blind? There is nothing of that great value here. Nothing that can't be replaced.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Well that just makes is so much easier for a thief. The thief wouldn't have to worry about getting shot. He should just put a sign on the door saying "Unlocked and unarmed".
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Unlocked and unarmed... everybody here is. So?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
Saying you need the right simply because you have it isn't really an argument. Also, saying it's a good right simply because it's a historic one isn't really an argument either.
neither are arguments, both are facts.
Mike Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
He asked why you need the right. Not whatever you were attempting to answer.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
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Did you ever REALLY try to get into a house or flat? I did several times (used to be a firefighter). It takes exactly one second, locked door or not. So where is the difference. Robbed blind? There is nothing of that great value here. Nothing that can't be replaced.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Smithers-Jones wrote:
It takes exactly one second, locked door or not. So where is the difference.
I would assume most thiefs want to break in discreetly to avoid getting attention and getting caught. It just makes it that much easier. If you want to have to buy everything all over again, and clean up all the mess he made, then by all means go ahead. And when your idenetity is stolen because he found confidential information, and you are getting called from creditors, you will be locking your door.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Unlocked and unarmed... everybody here is. So?
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Where do you live?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Oakman wrote:
Remember we have Captain See Sharp running around on the streets stealing to get enough money to buy another bottle of cough syrup.
Hey, when I go grocery shopping, I pick up a box or a bottle, and stuck it in my pocket. I don't steal from individuals, I steal from the bastards who charge me 10 dollars for DXM.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
Shoplifting to add to your growing list of things that you really should not be doing. Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it. And payment for your stolen stuff is through higher prices at the check-out till. Thus, in effect, you are indeed stealing from individuals.
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digital man wrote:
Indeed it is.
digital man wrote:
I think it is a great pity that people feel the need to carry weapons.
I know some folks do. However, most of the people I know support the right to carry a weapon if they chose to, which is not the same thing at all. By the way, in case you are wondering, I own four guns: an 1860's Springfield muzzle-loading rifled musket; a pepper-box revolver also from the American Civil War; a Colt Peacemaker from the 1870's and a 1-shot gambler's derringer from the 1880's. None of them are street legal. None of them have been fired for quite some time and the derringer has had the barrel plugged. For defense at home, I have an attack cat named Pixilated. Unfortunately she was born without eyes, so she's not street legal either. But I would react quite negatively to the idea that South Carolina might start telling me I couldn't have a weapon if I wanted one.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
in case you are wondering
Err, I wasn't. Still, nice, very nice. I suppose. Except the cat. That bit is sad. The rest, not so much.
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
How is the 2nd amendment not still a good idea?
It is only a good idea if it provides a net benefit to your society. As I stated before I'm an outsider but when I compare what I see in the US compared to elsewhere I'm struggling to see the benefits.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
Psst... They're just embarrassed to admit that the reason that they need guns is because they gave them to everyone. Like chemotherapy for a self-induced terminal cancer.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
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Ah, i see... no jokes on that subject. So you want to know my opinion on guns? Can't stand them. Never had any interest in them, never wanted to hold one or shoot one... I hate it, when, being in a police control, coppers staying alert pull their guns already halfway out of their holsters. happened quite a few times to me already. Scares me pretty much. I know nobody who owns a gun, and also nobody who ever needed one. I leave the house without locking the door, never lock my car, have never knife nor pepper spray with me, when I am out for jogging. I fell as save as possible. There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Smithers-Jones wrote:
There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the fucking teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Where do you live?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
as you might have already guessed, it's not the dayton area
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Shoplifting to add to your growing list of things that you really should not be doing. Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it. And payment for your stolen stuff is through higher prices at the check-out till. Thus, in effect, you are indeed stealing from individuals.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it
Well most normal people don't buy cough medicine that only contains DXM. Its worthless for coughs anyways. Most people who buy it get high on it. People who genuinely use DXM for coughs buy it mixed with tylonal, and an antihistimine. Trust me, if I could find an easy way to buy pure DXM powder in bulk online, I would, its so much cheaper. The DEA doesn't like that though, fucking bastards.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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digital man wrote:
What, exactly, do you need a gun for?
We (human beings) need guns because there are always fools who imagine that *they* know better than us how to run our own lives. And, if as is apparent by the very question you ask, you simply can't understand that, then I am so happy that you are there and not here.
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cp9876 wrote:
It would seem beneficial if the courts interpreted this right in its historical context and allowed all citizens the right to carry muskets.
pretty silly. It isn't a context, it is the origin.
cp9876 wrote:
Can you carry rocket launchers
I don't know, but maybe. One element of the history is protection against an out of control government. If tommorrow my local government decided that all citizens who do not swear allegience to Allah be decapitated, they'd play hell coming into my home and attempting to enforce the new law. So in that context I want to be able to own anything up to and including what the government can own.
Mike Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
One element of the history is protection against an out of control government
Really, I would have thought it would have been for protection in times when life was somewhat cheaper. The usual protection against out of control government is by the ballot box - is that not in the constitution somewhere? Would it really be beneficial for the citizens to take up arms against hte government (they would seem to have enough).
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
modified on Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:46 AM
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as you might have already guessed, it's not the dayton area
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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Oakman wrote:
in case you are wondering
Err, I wasn't. Still, nice, very nice. I suppose. Except the cat. That bit is sad. The rest, not so much.
digital man wrote:
Except the cat. That bit is sad
Pixil doesn't know she's handicapped. So she is perfectly comfortable running across the floor and using radar in aid of leaping through the air onto my shoulders. (The bad news is that she can't tell when I am not wearing a shirt.) Her favorite perch is the top rung of a floor to ceiling cat tree, and she can find dropped food faster than most cocker spaniels. :-D
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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cp9876 wrote:
Why does anyone in a civilised society need to buy weapons that are designed specifically to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time?
To protect themselves as many times as possible in a short space of time...
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
it isn't an idea, it is a right.
What do you mean? Did this 'right' just materialise out of nowhere?
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
What do you mean? Did this 'right' just materialise out of nowhere?
I guess guns must grow on tress in the US and man has had the right to use them ever since he used to live in them.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
