DC Handgun Ban
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John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
How is the 2nd amendment not still a good idea?
It is only a good idea if it provides a net benefit to your society. As I stated before I'm an outsider but when I compare what I see in the US compared to elsewhere I'm struggling to see the benefits.
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
Psst... They're just embarrassed to admit that the reason that they need guns is because they gave them to everyone. Like chemotherapy for a self-induced terminal cancer.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
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Ah, i see... no jokes on that subject. So you want to know my opinion on guns? Can't stand them. Never had any interest in them, never wanted to hold one or shoot one... I hate it, when, being in a police control, coppers staying alert pull their guns already halfway out of their holsters. happened quite a few times to me already. Scares me pretty much. I know nobody who owns a gun, and also nobody who ever needed one. I leave the house without locking the door, never lock my car, have never knife nor pepper spray with me, when I am out for jogging. I fell as save as possible. There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Smithers-Jones wrote:
There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the fucking teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Where do you live?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
as you might have already guessed, it's not the dayton area
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Shoplifting to add to your growing list of things that you really should not be doing. Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it. And payment for your stolen stuff is through higher prices at the check-out till. Thus, in effect, you are indeed stealing from individuals.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
Shoplifting is a tax-of-sorts on those who are honest. By that I mean, every item you steal, somebody has to pay for it
Well most normal people don't buy cough medicine that only contains DXM. Its worthless for coughs anyways. Most people who buy it get high on it. People who genuinely use DXM for coughs buy it mixed with tylonal, and an antihistimine. Trust me, if I could find an easy way to buy pure DXM powder in bulk online, I would, its so much cheaper. The DEA doesn't like that though, fucking bastards.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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digital man wrote:
What, exactly, do you need a gun for?
We (human beings) need guns because there are always fools who imagine that *they* know better than us how to run our own lives. And, if as is apparent by the very question you ask, you simply can't understand that, then I am so happy that you are there and not here.
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cp9876 wrote:
It would seem beneficial if the courts interpreted this right in its historical context and allowed all citizens the right to carry muskets.
pretty silly. It isn't a context, it is the origin.
cp9876 wrote:
Can you carry rocket launchers
I don't know, but maybe. One element of the history is protection against an out of control government. If tommorrow my local government decided that all citizens who do not swear allegience to Allah be decapitated, they'd play hell coming into my home and attempting to enforce the new law. So in that context I want to be able to own anything up to and including what the government can own.
Mike Thomas Mann - "Tolerance becomes a crime when applied to evil." The NYT - my leftist brochure. Calling an illegal alien an “undocumented immigrant” is like calling a drug dealer an “unlicensed pharmacist”. God doesn't believe in atheists, therefore they don't exist.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
One element of the history is protection against an out of control government
Really, I would have thought it would have been for protection in times when life was somewhat cheaper. The usual protection against out of control government is by the ballot box - is that not in the constitution somewhere? Would it really be beneficial for the citizens to take up arms against hte government (they would seem to have enough).
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
modified on Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:46 AM
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Oakman wrote:
in case you are wondering
Err, I wasn't. Still, nice, very nice. I suppose. Except the cat. That bit is sad. The rest, not so much.
digital man wrote:
Except the cat. That bit is sad
Pixil doesn't know she's handicapped. So she is perfectly comfortable running across the floor and using radar in aid of leaping through the air onto my shoulders. (The bad news is that she can't tell when I am not wearing a shirt.) Her favorite perch is the top rung of a floor to ceiling cat tree, and she can find dropped food faster than most cocker spaniels. :-D
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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as you might have already guessed, it's not the dayton area
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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cp9876 wrote:
Why does anyone in a civilised society need to buy weapons that are designed specifically to kill as many people as possible in a short space of time?
To protect themselves as many times as possible in a short space of time...
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
it isn't an idea, it is a right.
What do you mean? Did this 'right' just materialise out of nowhere?
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
Ravel H. Joyce wrote:
What do you mean? Did this 'right' just materialise out of nowhere?
I guess guns must grow on tress in the US and man has had the right to use them ever since he used to live in them.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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Bu twhy do you need that right? What is th epurpose? I could understand if you were bemoaning the right to have children or to choose where you live or go to school. But the right to buy objects the sole purpose of which is to kill other people? Surely that is a right that is just plain wrong.
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Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
No, since I don't live in the US.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
One element of the history is protection against an out of control government
Really, I would have thought it would have been for protection in times when life was somewhat cheaper. The usual protection against out of control government is by the ballot box - is that not in the constitution somewhere? Would it really be beneficial for the citizens to take up arms against hte government (they would seem to have enough).
Peter "Until the invention of the computer, the machine gun was the device that enabled humans to make the most mistakes in the smallest amount of time."
modified on Thursday, March 20, 2008 12:46 AM
cp9876 wrote:
The usual protection against out of control government is by the ballot box
Boy are you naive. The first thing an out of control government takes is the ballot box, followed immediately by the right to bear arms.
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Psst... They're just embarrassed to admit that the reason that they need guns is because they gave them to everyone. Like chemotherapy for a self-induced terminal cancer.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
- Being just 13 and largely unaware of even your immediate surroundings, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 2) Living in Europe, it's understandable that you don't have the same outlook on life as Americans do, so once again, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 3) Just so you know, it was your government's actions that inspired the creation of the Bill of Rights. Since this indicates that you would have a dramatic conflict of interest in *anything* we do over here, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 4) Technically speaking, "we" didn't "give" anyone guns. "We" have the right to own them if we so choose. Your statement not only indicates a severe lack of understanding of historical events as well as society in this country as a whole, but a lack of respect for the United States in particular, so your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 5) There's not one thing I'm embarrassed about regarding my country's origins. Just because some Europeans don't agree with our constitution or understand why it exists doesn't mean it's invalid.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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digital man wrote:
Except the cat. That bit is sad
Pixil doesn't know she's handicapped. So she is perfectly comfortable running across the floor and using radar in aid of leaping through the air onto my shoulders. (The bad news is that she can't tell when I am not wearing a shirt.) Her favorite perch is the top rung of a floor to ceiling cat tree, and she can find dropped food faster than most cocker spaniels. :-D
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Cats, eh? Just had to put down our 2nd cat. Archie got hit by a car (probably) last year and Hoady just got REALLY old: he was about 18 and dribbling from both ends. He'd stopped cleaning himself and really wasn't eating. Sad. Still, no more pets. At least not for a while...
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Psst... They're just embarrassed to admit that the reason that they need guns is because they gave them to everyone. Like chemotherapy for a self-induced terminal cancer.
Richard of York gave battle in vain.
Psst... You're an idiot.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
Are there a lot of blacks and mexicans in your area?
No, since I don't live in the US.
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by." (DNA)
I have learned from experience, most young blacks and mexicans are barbaric, gang oriented, and just fucking scummy. They are the reason Americans need guns. I'm not being racist, its just the way it is. I would love to give you a tour of eastside Dayton. Even if you do lock your car doors you will get your battery, radio, and anything inside stolen. The only cars that are fairly safe are the ghetto looking cars, the old rust buckets with windows that are already broken. I used to live in the heart of Dayton, and you will surely get your shit jacked. My dad had is car windows broken, batteries stolen, tools stolen from his garage. My little brother was knocked off his bike and his bike was stolen by a black person. Lots of crack sales are taking place in Dayton, almost all by blacks.
The Digital World. It is an amazing place in which we primitive humans interact. Our flesh made this synthetic machine. You see, we are so smart, we know a lot of stuff. We were grown from cells that came from the universe, which the matter and physics I'm typing in it is amazing how the universe is working. Human life is very amazing. How I experience this sh*t its like wow.
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One does not justify one's rights; one asserts them, one exercises them. It doesn't matter whether you Euroweenie sheeple "understand" or agree: these are our *rights*
One should probably be not be so shortsighted to not reevaluate ones rights as times change. I hope they bring back the right to accuse and burn witches with no evidence. I've heard that was good for a laugh.
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Smithers-Jones wrote:
There is simply no need for a gun in my opinion.
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the fucking teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Oakman wrote:
In Liechtenstein? Your entire Principality is the size of the District of Columbia. Your foreign relations and defense are entrusted to Switzerland - which is armed to the f***ing teeth and has universal military service with every able bodied male conscripted to the army until the age of 30. What the hell would anyone in Liechtenstein know about defending himself?
Don't know much about the Swiss, do you? They certainly aren't "armed to the teeth". Just in 2004 they cut their military personnel in half. I know, I've lived here for 5 years. Their army consists of regular guys (non-professionals, basically a militia) who aren't particularly interested in fighting and most find some way to get excused from military service. They are actually conscripted beyond 30, but the "conscription" consists of weekends spent camping in the woods and shooting at still targets. Their military infrastructure is also dated and falling apart. They just shut down their nuclear bunker in the Gotthard tunnel because it is structurally unstable and got severely reprimanded for an incursion into Liechtenstein: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2007/mar/02/markoliver The only plus is that the local government reserves a spot in the town nuclear shelter for you even if you're a foreigner. Contrary to popular belief, it's also not very expensive. They also have a nasty habit of recording everything you do and intercept and keep all electronic communications and emails entering or exiting the country for a period of 1-3 years.
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- Being just 13 and largely unaware of even your immediate surroundings, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 2) Living in Europe, it's understandable that you don't have the same outlook on life as Americans do, so once again, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 3) Just so you know, it was your government's actions that inspired the creation of the Bill of Rights. Since this indicates that you would have a dramatic conflict of interest in *anything* we do over here, your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 4) Technically speaking, "we" didn't "give" anyone guns. "We" have the right to own them if we so choose. Your statement not only indicates a severe lack of understanding of historical events as well as society in this country as a whole, but a lack of respect for the United States in particular, so your opinions and statements in this conversation are severely discounted. 5) There's not one thing I'm embarrassed about regarding my country's origins. Just because some Europeans don't agree with our constitution or understand why it exists doesn't mean it's invalid.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Ahem: what, exactly, do you need a gun for? I have lived in 'your' country and I maintain very close ties and am an ardent admirer and dedicated Yankophile. However, your obsession with weaponry has always perplexed me. It's not whether or not the constitution allows it or confers ownership as a right it is why you need them at all? I never felt the need to arm myself when there nor do I now nor does my family that are still there. So why do you? What is so important about carrying a weapon for which there is only one use?
