AMD or not to AMD? That is the question...
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
I've had various different AMD cpus (including an x2 64bit 4200) and never had any problems with them. Whether they are faster/slower than other brands is debatable, and probably depends on the specific tests you run. What exactly did you co-worker have bad to say about them?
Simon
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
Your co-worker is performing a medical (and scientific) miracle - not everyone can speak clearly through their bunghole. There's not a thing wrong with AMD's 64-bit CPUs. It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs and DDR memory is TWICE the price of DDR2 RAM, so if I was going to build a new system, I'd go with the AM2 or AM2+ silicon. BTW, I just built my sister a complete system based on a single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400. I'm not sure you could build a comparable machine around a similarly spec'd Intel chip.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:04 AM
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Your co-worker is performing a medical (and scientific) miracle - not everyone can speak clearly through their bunghole. There's not a thing wrong with AMD's 64-bit CPUs. It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs and DDR memory is TWICE the price of DDR2 RAM, so if I was going to build a new system, I'd go with the AM2 or AM2+ silicon. BTW, I just built my sister a complete system based on a single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400. I'm not sure you could build a comparable machine around a similarly spec'd Intel chip.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:04 AM
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs
I still have a single core Opteron (I think 1.8GHz) around somewhere...
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Your co-worker is performing a medical (and scientific) miracle - not everyone can speak clearly through their bunghole. There's not a thing wrong with AMD's 64-bit CPUs. It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs and DDR memory is TWICE the price of DDR2 RAM, so if I was going to build a new system, I'd go with the AM2 or AM2+ silicon. BTW, I just built my sister a complete system based on a single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400. I'm not sure you could build a comparable machine around a similarly spec'd Intel chip.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:04 AM
Not sure, intel's basically eliminated single core on the desktop and they've got entry level dualcores for under $80, IIRC under $60 on sale with decent all in one mobos for about the same.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
My new (read: Within the last year) development and gaming boxes at home are Athlon 64 X2 (dual real cores, not hyperthreaded pseudo-cores :)), and I love 'em. I have been using AMD processors since the K5 (maybe it was the later K6, I am not certain), and have never had any problems that I could attribute to the CPUs themselves. I also have a recent (real) dual-core Intel box at home for my personal system and even though it is a lower-rated processor, it still "feels" a bit slower than it should be. YMMV. Peace!
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
Farrukh_5 wrote:
but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ...
I agree with John. When comparing apples to apples you rarely hear someone say, "The fuji apple is extremely good, which the gala is horrible" Oh sure it happens, but usually you define the differences and everyone has their flavors of favorite, or not. I personally like both, apples or processors. The two new laptops we recently purchased at home, one is an AMD Turion, the other an Intel Core2. They run the same software (deferent licences ;P ), and the same OS (at least until I upgraded mine to 64). They are functionally identical. I even hear my project leader saying, "will we run into compatibility problems with our software?" well, no! :doh: Each have differences in the instruction cache, and memory handling patterns, so the same code may function faster/slower than the other, though usually in different areas of the code each processor will have an advantage. The net result is often a balance of functionality to make them equivalent. You can optimise your code specifically for one processor or the other, such as the Imark benchmark from Intel which is designed to specifically impliment code in the natural design optimised for a Core2 product. How many even know what that is? hands raised? anyone? anyone? Bueller? If you buy the Intel compiler, you can attempt to optimise the code so that it will perform better on Intel only machines, I know few people who do this, even us, being mostly an Intel shop. Because we don't know what our customers will get. I was the one who did the first test on an AMD, because everyone listened to the old wives tale about how software won't run on an AMD? or you have to buy a specific version for AMD? :wtf: Yes, MS? I would like to order Microsoft Office Professional, make sure you give me the AMD compiled version! :rolleyes:
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb)
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
I had AMDs since 486. My only intel based computer was the 8086 in amstrad1512! Recently my father got a HD tv so those days i'am building a MediaCenter pc for him. :rolleyes: For processor I got the 3800 from a friend, gave him my 4200, and got a 5200 for my desktop. The MC PC with the 3800 play full 1080 HD without a problem. (although some early WMV demos i had around have some pauses, they play allright in MS mediaplayer but not in media portal :doh: ). By the way, i am an AMD sealot, therefor my opinion doesn't count!
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Your co-worker is performing a medical (and scientific) miracle - not everyone can speak clearly through their bunghole. There's not a thing wrong with AMD's 64-bit CPUs. It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs and DDR memory is TWICE the price of DDR2 RAM, so if I was going to build a new system, I'd go with the AM2 or AM2+ silicon. BTW, I just built my sister a complete system based on a single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400. I'm not sure you could build a comparable machine around a similarly spec'd Intel chip.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:04 AM
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400
Way to go! I'm planning to build a system for my daughter as well and AMD is my choice. Keep it simple.
God bless, Ernest Laurentin
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Your co-worker is performing a medical (and scientific) miracle - not everyone can speak clearly through their bunghole. There's not a thing wrong with AMD's 64-bit CPUs. It's increasingly difficult to find replacement motherboards (and CPUs) for my 939-pin CPUs and DDR memory is TWICE the price of DDR2 RAM, so if I was going to build a new system, I'd go with the AM2 or AM2+ silicon. BTW, I just built my sister a complete system based on a single-core AM2 CPU with 2gb RAM *and* a OEM copy of XP for less than $400. I'm not sure you could build a comparable machine around a similarly spec'd Intel chip.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 11:04 AM
It's definitely possible if you're willing to wait for sales and don't mind rebates. For example I just got top notch Antec NeoHE 380W PSU for only $20 after MIR, and 5GB or DDR2 Crucial RAM for $30 after MIR. TigerDirect is selling e2180 for $50 after MIR, I'm still debating if I should buy that one or not, I will need a new CPU couple of months from now, I just don't know if e2180 will be enough for me or if I should go with more expensive but otherwise better e7300 which should go on sale by that time. Fry's had e2180 + cheap ECS mobo for $80 no rebates involved. Couple of weeks ago FRY's also had nVidia 6200LE card for free after mail in rebate... If you are cheap, don't mind waiting for deals and OK with rebates you can build computer for next to nothing really, intel including. PS it's sort of freaky how closely I follow all the pc hardware deals... It's probably not healthy.
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
I have over 100 AMD cpus at work (and around 10 at home) and they work great. Between 2003 and 2006 they were a better bang for the buck than intel chips and they also used significantly less power. Now with core2 vs K10 the situation is reversed. However at the low end AMD still is very competitive. I would never go as low as a 3800 now though unless I could pick it up for less than $20 for the cpu. Look for the 65nm AMD X2 cpus if you want to buy an AMD processor.
John
modified on Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:45 PM
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My new (read: Within the last year) development and gaming boxes at home are Athlon 64 X2 (dual real cores, not hyperthreaded pseudo-cores :)), and I love 'em. I have been using AMD processors since the K5 (maybe it was the later K6, I am not certain), and have never had any problems that I could attribute to the CPUs themselves. I also have a recent (real) dual-core Intel box at home for my personal system and even though it is a lower-rated processor, it still "feels" a bit slower than it should be. YMMV. Peace!
-=- James
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See DeleteFXPFilesThe k5 was effectively a pentium integer unit with a 487 FPU, and was largely sold as pin compatable upgrades for 486 systems. The k6 was the just as good as a pentium chip.
Otherwise [Microsoft is] toast in the long term no matter how much money they've got. They would be already if the Linux community didn't have it's head so firmly up it's own command line buffer that it looks like taking 15 years to find the desktop. -- Matthew Faithfull
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
Farrukh_5 wrote:
co-worker bad comments ...
They are likely talking about the Phenom quad-core chip problem. http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/03/18/amd_phenom/[^] The new B3 stepping version is to be released soon (already ?), this is supposed to fix the bug in the previous version. As far as i know this core is the only one with problems. My system has been running 2 dual-core opterons for years without problem.
...cmk The idea that I can be presented with a problem, set out to logically solve it with the tools at hand, and wind up with a program that could not be legally used because someone else followed the same logical steps some years ago and filed for a patent on it is horrifying. - John Carmack
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I am in peruse to purchase a new AMD 64bit processor but got little confuse due to co-worker bad comments ... Does any body have a good or bad story to share about AMD Athlon x2 64 3800+ ???
All benchmarks and tests I've checked - including my own "how fast does it build" - show that the AMD AM2+ architecture can deliver, and the Intel Core2 Duo does. I am a hardcore fan of the AMD Opteron line, and for a while they did provide better memory throughput. The new Intel stuff kicks AMD's current ass, though, and there is a reason many PC tuning geeks abandoned AMD. ´ I still hope for AMD that they can reap the investments into their new architecture, time will tell. For now, AMD might be the economic choice (still better than everything Celeron), but if you can afford it I have to say - sadly - go for Intel.
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