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How do you build your setups ???

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  • P peterchen

    If you just have to copy some files, go with somethign free like InnoSetup (+Extensions). At least, you should try if it fits your needs. (I'm still using Inno for one-DLL-patches, since they have much less overhead, and it#s easier to do, and easier to manage) If you need more, go with a "big" package (WISE seems to be an alternative, but the last time I checked you can't batch-script the builds. I needed this to create multiple media quickly) However, with the big packages, prepare to spend a *long* time to get used to it. And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years.

    To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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    Gavin Greig
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    peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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      Hi ! Looks like standard-Windows stuff, but: Is it able to handle bigger projects include serial-encryption and stuff like that ??? Did 'installing Fonts' work? (Coz in InstallShiel, it's an totally mess, coz there is no help on this topic, an so I had to try and try and try....)

      Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
      :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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      Jim Crafton
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      Hey, Ihave used it at work and for home project it works great ! Also installs fonts correctly without any hassle ! You can do pretty much anything with it, I highly reccomend it. By the way, he posts the source for it in ObjectPascal - would any CP'ers be interested in porting it to C++ for Win32 ?

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        Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

        Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
        :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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        Daniel Turini
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        For small projects (copy & register some files), I use InnoSetup, but for "macho" setups, I use hand-made setups statically linked to MFC and minimizing dependencies. Concussus surgo. When struck I rise.

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        • G Gavin Greig

          peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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          Gavin Greig wrote: take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer Why ? Whats the advantage ?

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            Hi there ! Just one question... I'm looking for a new enviroment to build my setups, coz I got absoloutly rid of InstallShield (yuck... X|) which comes with VS 6. The Windows Istaller which comes with VS 7.0 is not felxible enough for me... Waht do you use ???? Thanx, Olli!

            Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
            :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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            Lost User
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            It's free, it's open source, it's SuperPiMP! (from the same great folks that gave us WinAmp) It doesn't have some of the bells & whistles included in Wise or InstallShield but then again that is often a good thing. If you are looking for speed and flexibility in a truly tiny package, give it a try.

            Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard

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            • J JohnnyBoyC

              I'm amazed nobody's mentioned 'Setup Factory' yet - does pretty much everything, and it's easy to use. http://www.indigorose.com/products/setup\_factory1.php John Cousins

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              I'll second the recommendation for Indigo Rose Setup Factory. We use it and like it. Steven J. Ackerman, Consultant ACS, Sarasota, FL http://www.acscontrol.com steve@acscontrol.com sja@gte.net

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              • G Gavin Greig

                peterchen wrote: And go Windows Installer only if you REALLY need to, or can invest some time now that pays back in two years. On the other hand, I was chatting with a friend who works as a sysadmin in a big multinational recently, and his take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer. And when I say really, I mean they'll be putting pressure on users to find alternatives if Windows Installer isn't used. Obviously it depends on your app's needs and your customers', but be aware that you may come across this attitude. Gavin Greig

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                peterchen
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                Happily(?) My customers don't care as long as it "works".

                To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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                  Chris Maunder wrote: Ghost Installer Studio? Hi Chris, believe it or not, just finished download and I'm actually testing... It's not looking so bad.... in deed, it's looking very good... Do you use it?? Like it?? Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? Thanx, Olli

                  Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                  :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                  Olli wrote: Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? They've probably been mentioned here before, and they also appeared in the newsletter for this week. I (and I'm sure Ovanes, one of the guys behind gInstall) would be interested in your comments. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                    It's free, it's open source, it's SuperPiMP! (from the same great folks that gave us WinAmp) It doesn't have some of the bells & whistles included in Wise or InstallShield but then again that is often a good thing. If you are looking for speed and flexibility in a truly tiny package, give it a try.

                    Mike Mullikin - People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought which they seldom use. Soren Kierkegaard

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                    peterchen
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                    I could never convince my boss to use a package with *that* name ;)

                    To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
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                      Olli wrote: Isn't that (some) stuff I've seen here in CP before??? They've probably been mentioned here before, and they also appeared in the newsletter for this week. I (and I'm sure Ovanes, one of the guys behind gInstall) would be interested in your comments. cheers, Chris Maunder

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                      Olli
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                      Thanx for reply! I've tested it now and it looks really good, but for full tests I have to buy it obviously... cheers, Olli

                      Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                      :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                      • P peterchen

                        I could never convince my boss to use a package with *that* name ;)

                        To comply with a request by Mike Mullikin, the US will be given a break from all my statements for the duration of one week, up to and including July 17th, 2002, 19:05 MESZ
                        [sighist]

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                        Olli
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                        peterchen wrote: a package with *that* name YAP! Absoloutly.....

                        Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                        :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                        • J Jim Crafton

                          Gavin Greig wrote: take is that they really want us to use Windows Installer Why ? Whats the advantage ?

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                          Bear in mind that the following points are ideals, that Windows Installer may not invariably deliver on all of them (what software is perfect?), and that other solutions may deliver these in part, but it is viewed by those I've talked to as delivering on these ideals much better than any of the alternatives.

                          • It performs installs as a transaction, so the install succeeds or fails - partial installs should not occur.
                          • It plays nice with Windows permissions - for example, if your sysadmin gives you permission to use Application Y, you don't need Administrator privileges on your account to install it, because the installer is granted those privileges.
                          • It has built-in support for patching.
                          • Installs can be easily customised to company requirements by sysadmins.
                          • Installs can be examined in detail by sysadmins - the MSI database is an open format.
                          • It supports OS features such as file protection and advertisement (for just-in-time installation).
                          • Use of Windows Installer merge modules in installs avoids all the unpleasantness caused by people writing their own code to install (say) the MFC redistributables.
                          • Windows Installer installs can be easily managed using central software management tools.

                          You may not need your app to be Windows Logo certified, but the requirements and recommendations are often a good indicator of what will be expected behaviour for all applications in the near future; Windows Logo certification for your app currently requires that you use Windows Installer. Gavin Greig

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                            Thanx for reply! I've tested it now and it looks really good, but for full tests I have to buy it obviously... cheers, Olli

                            Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                            :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                            Hi! I am Ovanes. One from gInstall's staff. If you have any additional questions, it would be great to answer them here in this forum. Regards, Ovanes

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                              With serious I mean to expect as little problems as possible with deployment, have your package built quickly, have extensive support and knowledge base on the internet, etc... I agree with you - Install Shield sucks. When I was solving the "1911 : Unable to register typelib" problem (know to every author who created at least two installations for two different versions of VB app that had compatibility break...requires cleaning registry by hand, nedless to say - very annoying!) I did a little analysis of how the stupid software works. When you flag COM component for "extract at build" the damn thing does it by registering COM component on your machine. At least it should ask before doing it or remember, how to revert to the old state afterwards...Oh, well...Nedless to say, all 3rd party "weird licencing techniques" do not work with it. Tomaz

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                              Ovanes Markarian
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                              I do not agree with you. There really a lot of other installers which provide good support. I am one from gInstall's staff and we offer 7 days a week priority support including analysis of your installer project files and so on. You will get support within 1 day even on Sundays. We also feature website forums and Knowledge base online. I don't think that you can expect 7 days a week support from Wise or InstallShield. Regarding InstallShield: I am wondering how and why people use it. This is the most badly written installer ever. The only fact that it decompresses from single-file selfextracting archive installation files twice says a lot! And it adds about 1.2MB installer footprint to the setup package... Then why to use compression if some apps using InstallShield will anyway double their size. Ovanes.

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                                Hi! I am Ovanes. One from gInstall's staff. If you have any additional questions, it would be great to answer them here in this forum. Regards, Ovanes

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                                Hi Ovanes, cool to have you here :cool:. First of all, I like your program, it's very handy and it explains itself, good GUI! What I saw is that you have a kind of distributing-office in Germany, when I'm not wrong (Munich??).. Can you give me please an address (EMail) or something to contact them, coz I want to buy your GhostInstall.... Another Question: Can I add some features (like HTML) to my medium (CD-Rom) when I build it? e.g.: Here are my steps with InstallShield (X| X| ): 1. Build my language-specific Setup 2. Build my medium (like CD-Rom) 3. Add to the CD-Rom my HTML files (Autorun, HelpFiles and stuff...) 4. Finish! (And doing this, it cost's me nearly 2 weeks...) You can also send me a private Mail for contacting your office... P.S.: Sorry Chris, did not want to post some Code Related Toppics here ;)

                                Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                                :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                                  Hi Ovanes, cool to have you here :cool:. First of all, I like your program, it's very handy and it explains itself, good GUI! What I saw is that you have a kind of distributing-office in Germany, when I'm not wrong (Munich??).. Can you give me please an address (EMail) or something to contact them, coz I want to buy your GhostInstall.... Another Question: Can I add some features (like HTML) to my medium (CD-Rom) when I build it? e.g.: Here are my steps with InstallShield (X| X| ): 1. Build my language-specific Setup 2. Build my medium (like CD-Rom) 3. Add to the CD-Rom my HTML files (Autorun, HelpFiles and stuff...) 4. Finish! (And doing this, it cost's me nearly 2 weeks...) You can also send me a private Mail for contacting your office... P.S.: Sorry Chris, did not want to post some Code Related Toppics here ;)

                                  Olli I feel like I'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe.....
                                  :suss: :rolleyes: :suss:

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                                  I am in Munich. My email address is om@gisntall.com. I will contact you via email.

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