Dissatisfied Americans
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With Iraq, it was just the US administration that saw an immediate perceived threat. The rest of the world (except for Blair; most people in the UK did not agree with him either) didn't, and many in the US also did not. The world security situation would not have been any worse without the war on Iraq. America was not under any *immediate* threat from Saddam. I believe that the purpose of Iraq occupation was to get a strategic foothold in the Middle East, with Iraq having boundaries with Iran and Syria. I believe that there was deception from the governments of US and UK to make its people believe that there was an immediate threat so that the war could be sanctioned. The real story will emerge only many years from now when the government records are declassified. Iraq have now become the forward post of the war between USA and the Islamic terrorists. I believe that Afghanistan might have served the same purpose, if Iraq war did not happen. It would have been a lot cheaper too. After WMD was not found, there was an extensive PR campaign that said that the the purpose of the war was the liberation of Iraq. I was referring to that argument. I did not bring up that argument -- the current US administration did. I was just pointing out that that argument is just a face saving exercise -- because there are many countries friendly with the US with similar human rights record as Saddam had.
There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
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That's because Indians as smart enough to recognize a good thing, while Pakis are too dumb to come here. Please press the switch soon.
and where was it discussed what do they do or what not? hey kid do you have any ability to read things in context or still you follow same apprach which you used to throw religion of your life but comprehending things out of the context?
Rob Graham wrote:
That's because Indians as smart enough to recognize
I think apart fro native Americans, everyone else in US doing good.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
obama or hillery will not become president I can almost garentee it.
If you had any money, I'd make you a bet.
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Put your money where your big fat mouth is --- I'll take your bet. If you think America is going to vote for a KNOWN liar (Hillary) or a RACIST (Obama), then you don't know Americans at all!
John P.
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Put your money where your big fat mouth is --- I'll take your bet. If you think America is going to vote for a KNOWN liar (Hillary) or a RACIST (Obama), then you don't know Americans at all!
John P.
Obama's a racist about as much as you're a thoughtful and eloquent speaker.
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There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
jparken wrote:
We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement.
Though, now that the color 'red' is being used to denote "conservative America," our leftists seem to have changed their tune ... oddly enough, echoing the earlier anti-Communist belief/slogan: "Better dead than red!" The times, they are a-changin' :laugh:
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Obama's a racist about as much as you're a thoughtful and eloquent speaker.
And you're about as intelligent as a mustard seed --- and who the hell are you to judge me, liberal Democrat? You'd vote for the donkey itself if it ran against a Republican. You don't spend a lot of thoughtful time in the voting booth do you? ---- just pull one lever and you're done, right? How come Democrats are the only ones who can't see through Obama's past? Sure, he speaks well. Maybe you should hear his book on audio CD. But then again, as he would say, I'm just another "typical white guy". JERK!
John P.
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Put your money where your big fat mouth is --- I'll take your bet. If you think America is going to vote for a KNOWN liar (Hillary) or a RACIST (Obama), then you don't know Americans at all!
John P.
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Read his book, or maybe better, listen to the audio CD of him reciting his book. Then see if you can ask the same question, OK?
John P.
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Read his book, or maybe better, listen to the audio CD of him reciting his book. Then see if you can ask the same question, OK?
John P.
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OK, Dopey. The fact that he spent twenty-some years listening to a bigot preacher spewing hatred for America and for whites --- do you think that maybe that's a good start?????
John P.
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Put your money where your big fat mouth is --- I'll take your bet. If you think America is going to vote for a KNOWN liar (Hillary) or a RACIST (Obama), then you don't know Americans at all!
John P.
I wouldn't call it a big fat mouth... But I'll bet you. Don't misunderstand, I have no desire to have either at the helm. Either one will do some serious damage to America. But I don't think McCain really has a shot. And sadly, I don't think he'd be much better than Hillary or Obama, but he'd likely do less damage. I admire your confidence in the intelligence of the American public, but I sadly don't share it. What would you like to bet? Are you a .Net developer?
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OK, Dopey. The fact that he spent twenty-some years listening to a bigot preacher spewing hatred for America and for whites --- do you think that maybe that's a good start?????
John P.
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I wouldn't call it a big fat mouth... But I'll bet you. Don't misunderstand, I have no desire to have either at the helm. Either one will do some serious damage to America. But I don't think McCain really has a shot. And sadly, I don't think he'd be much better than Hillary or Obama, but he'd likely do less damage. I admire your confidence in the intelligence of the American public, but I sadly don't share it. What would you like to bet? Are you a .Net developer?
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Well, I'm not a .Net developer. I work mostly rel-time software for flight simulation. Tell, you what --- let's be less of adversaries and just make an "I told you so bet" for bragging rights. I don't care for any of the candidates either, including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing. But if it comes to who I want answering the phone at 3 AM, I'll have to choose McCain. Hillary scares the living hell out of me. Obama's true colors are now being discovered. It's amazing to me how so many people can be drawn in by a very glib speaker --- not unlike the "Christians" who flock to the charlatans and give them all their money. A lot od smart, but naive, people.
John P.
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No, I don't. Why are you judging him on the actions of another man? If you have a gay friend that talks about gay topics, does that make you gay?
I can you are really smart --- comparing apples to oranges. Wake up and ask a coherent question. That is not even close to being a good analogy! All you are doing now is begging the question. Intelligent people don't do that.
John P.
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There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
Sure. Let us take China as another example. China also does not present an immediate threat. They claim Taiwan similar to Saddam claiming Kuwait. If Chinese invaded Taiwan, the USA will be saying "better red than dead" (of course with the routine calls for peace and restraint), and continue with trade as usual to facilitate the convenient cheap manufacturing base for its companies. Whatever you say, there were problems much more grave than Iraq. Pakistan had a nuclear capability that they proliferated to North Korea. No one is even sure how safe their nuclear arsenal is. ...and here you suggest that Saddam had a *desire* to acquire nuclear weapons making him the biggest threat than Pakistan, North Korea or Iran. Iraq was a soft target with its military capability eroded by years of sanctions. It gave USA a forward military post in the Middle East to exert its influence on the region. I believe that Saddam was not the real target; the war was intended to get US military close to Iran and Syria, and keep it there for ever like in many other countries like Korea, Philippines. I am merely saying that the reasons for the war have been convenient myths created to feed the fear of people worldwide. I believe that the world would not have been any worse with Iraq subjected to economic sanctions. The post war pursuit for WMD also proved that the sanctions were working well in curbing Iraq's military aspirations, as Russia, France, Germany, and the IAEA suggested.
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I can you are really smart --- comparing apples to oranges. Wake up and ask a coherent question. That is not even close to being a good analogy! All you are doing now is begging the question. Intelligent people don't do that.
John P.
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There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
and I forgot, Saddam had already been taken care of. Forced to go back from Kuwait, his military depleted, and economic sanctions preventing any further large scale build-up. After Hitler invaded many parts of Europe, no one intervened. The cases are not at all similar, in my perspective.
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And you're about as intelligent as a mustard seed --- and who the hell are you to judge me, liberal Democrat? You'd vote for the donkey itself if it ran against a Republican. You don't spend a lot of thoughtful time in the voting booth do you? ---- just pull one lever and you're done, right? How come Democrats are the only ones who can't see through Obama's past? Sure, he speaks well. Maybe you should hear his book on audio CD. But then again, as he would say, I'm just another "typical white guy". JERK!
John P.
I'm impressed, Parken. Looks like you have managed to capture Ilion's level of critical thinking and personal insight, without his pompous diction. Taking your spewage point by point... I'm most likely smarter than you, for what that's worth. I'm not judging you, I'm merely saying you're wrong about Obama, based on his history outside of church, everything he's said, written, and done over his career in public life, and the testimonials of friends of all ethnic backgrounds, all of which count more than a 10-second clip you saw on Fox News. I've voted Republican and Libertarian in past elections, but will certainly be voting Democrat in this one (worst case, I think Hillary is less unfit for the office than McCain). There seem to be quite a few Republicans that have a very different view of Obama than you. Finally, I would like to think that, like me, Obama would say that, thankfully and by the workings of a merciful creator, you are definitely not a "typical white guy". Unlike Obama, I would probably say that you're a miserable little ass-hamster. I do like your honest signature, though, you miserable little ass-hamster.
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Well, I'm not a .Net developer. I work mostly rel-time software for flight simulation. Tell, you what --- let's be less of adversaries and just make an "I told you so bet" for bragging rights. I don't care for any of the candidates either, including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing. But if it comes to who I want answering the phone at 3 AM, I'll have to choose McCain. Hillary scares the living hell out of me. Obama's true colors are now being discovered. It's amazing to me how so many people can be drawn in by a very glib speaker --- not unlike the "Christians" who flock to the charlatans and give them all their money. A lot od smart, but naive, people.
John P.
Fair enough.
jparken wrote:
including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing
I hear ya, I think he decided to be Republican a few seconds after he decided to run for President. What scares me the most about this election is that it seems more than usual that you can't tell anything from what these candidates say. I was all for Duncan Hunter till he dropped out. Then it was Thompson... Then Romney... I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I want to know how McCain came to be the only choice when NOBODY wants him. But at least with McCain, I don't think we need to worry about Communist Health Care. Though he doesn't want to fix immigration either. How people can hear "we're going to tax the crap out of you, and we refuse to fix Social Security" and think they're good ideas is beyond me. I suppose that's because Obama said "we're leaving the tax cuts in place, and starting Socialist Welfare Communist Health Care" and nobody questions were all that money's going to come from.
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It's the same principle, you're judging one man based on the actions of another man... that doesn't seem very intelligent.
If I went to KKK meetings for 20 years, what do you think that would make me??? And what do you think black people would think I am? And why should it be any different for me to think that a black man can be as racist as a white person? Or don't you believe that blacks can be racist? Do you think his pastor is racist? Do you think his pastor hates America? And if you listened to this garbage for 20 years, how would people classify you? Like I said, you're not thinking like you have any intelligence, or maybe you are just naive?
John P.