Dissatisfied Americans
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Read his book, or maybe better, listen to the audio CD of him reciting his book. Then see if you can ask the same question, OK?
John P.
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Read his book, or maybe better, listen to the audio CD of him reciting his book. Then see if you can ask the same question, OK?
John P.
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OK, Dopey. The fact that he spent twenty-some years listening to a bigot preacher spewing hatred for America and for whites --- do you think that maybe that's a good start?????
John P.
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Put your money where your big fat mouth is --- I'll take your bet. If you think America is going to vote for a KNOWN liar (Hillary) or a RACIST (Obama), then you don't know Americans at all!
John P.
I wouldn't call it a big fat mouth... But I'll bet you. Don't misunderstand, I have no desire to have either at the helm. Either one will do some serious damage to America. But I don't think McCain really has a shot. And sadly, I don't think he'd be much better than Hillary or Obama, but he'd likely do less damage. I admire your confidence in the intelligence of the American public, but I sadly don't share it. What would you like to bet? Are you a .Net developer?
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OK, Dopey. The fact that he spent twenty-some years listening to a bigot preacher spewing hatred for America and for whites --- do you think that maybe that's a good start?????
John P.
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I wouldn't call it a big fat mouth... But I'll bet you. Don't misunderstand, I have no desire to have either at the helm. Either one will do some serious damage to America. But I don't think McCain really has a shot. And sadly, I don't think he'd be much better than Hillary or Obama, but he'd likely do less damage. I admire your confidence in the intelligence of the American public, but I sadly don't share it. What would you like to bet? Are you a .Net developer?
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Well, I'm not a .Net developer. I work mostly rel-time software for flight simulation. Tell, you what --- let's be less of adversaries and just make an "I told you so bet" for bragging rights. I don't care for any of the candidates either, including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing. But if it comes to who I want answering the phone at 3 AM, I'll have to choose McCain. Hillary scares the living hell out of me. Obama's true colors are now being discovered. It's amazing to me how so many people can be drawn in by a very glib speaker --- not unlike the "Christians" who flock to the charlatans and give them all their money. A lot od smart, but naive, people.
John P.
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No, I don't. Why are you judging him on the actions of another man? If you have a gay friend that talks about gay topics, does that make you gay?
I can you are really smart --- comparing apples to oranges. Wake up and ask a coherent question. That is not even close to being a good analogy! All you are doing now is begging the question. Intelligent people don't do that.
John P.
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There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
Sure. Let us take China as another example. China also does not present an immediate threat. They claim Taiwan similar to Saddam claiming Kuwait. If Chinese invaded Taiwan, the USA will be saying "better red than dead" (of course with the routine calls for peace and restraint), and continue with trade as usual to facilitate the convenient cheap manufacturing base for its companies. Whatever you say, there were problems much more grave than Iraq. Pakistan had a nuclear capability that they proliferated to North Korea. No one is even sure how safe their nuclear arsenal is. ...and here you suggest that Saddam had a *desire* to acquire nuclear weapons making him the biggest threat than Pakistan, North Korea or Iran. Iraq was a soft target with its military capability eroded by years of sanctions. It gave USA a forward military post in the Middle East to exert its influence on the region. I believe that Saddam was not the real target; the war was intended to get US military close to Iran and Syria, and keep it there for ever like in many other countries like Korea, Philippines. I am merely saying that the reasons for the war have been convenient myths created to feed the fear of people worldwide. I believe that the world would not have been any worse with Iraq subjected to economic sanctions. The post war pursuit for WMD also proved that the sanctions were working well in curbing Iraq's military aspirations, as Russia, France, Germany, and the IAEA suggested.
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I can you are really smart --- comparing apples to oranges. Wake up and ask a coherent question. That is not even close to being a good analogy! All you are doing now is begging the question. Intelligent people don't do that.
John P.
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There was a time when Adolf Hitler and Nazi germany did not pose an *immediate* threat to anyone either. Because everyone tried to placate Hitler instead of standing up to him and crushing his evil ass when they had the cahnce, the world was thrust into the darkest of times for more than 5 years. How many had to die in that 5+ years that wouldn't have died if SOMEONE had taken care of Hitler before he got so powerful?? Answer that one, peacenik! We've (those over 50) have heard the drones of "better Red than dead" from the 60's 'peace' movement. I think I would rather fight than "be Red".
John P.
and I forgot, Saddam had already been taken care of. Forced to go back from Kuwait, his military depleted, and economic sanctions preventing any further large scale build-up. After Hitler invaded many parts of Europe, no one intervened. The cases are not at all similar, in my perspective.
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And you're about as intelligent as a mustard seed --- and who the hell are you to judge me, liberal Democrat? You'd vote for the donkey itself if it ran against a Republican. You don't spend a lot of thoughtful time in the voting booth do you? ---- just pull one lever and you're done, right? How come Democrats are the only ones who can't see through Obama's past? Sure, he speaks well. Maybe you should hear his book on audio CD. But then again, as he would say, I'm just another "typical white guy". JERK!
John P.
I'm impressed, Parken. Looks like you have managed to capture Ilion's level of critical thinking and personal insight, without his pompous diction. Taking your spewage point by point... I'm most likely smarter than you, for what that's worth. I'm not judging you, I'm merely saying you're wrong about Obama, based on his history outside of church, everything he's said, written, and done over his career in public life, and the testimonials of friends of all ethnic backgrounds, all of which count more than a 10-second clip you saw on Fox News. I've voted Republican and Libertarian in past elections, but will certainly be voting Democrat in this one (worst case, I think Hillary is less unfit for the office than McCain). There seem to be quite a few Republicans that have a very different view of Obama than you. Finally, I would like to think that, like me, Obama would say that, thankfully and by the workings of a merciful creator, you are definitely not a "typical white guy". Unlike Obama, I would probably say that you're a miserable little ass-hamster. I do like your honest signature, though, you miserable little ass-hamster.
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Well, I'm not a .Net developer. I work mostly rel-time software for flight simulation. Tell, you what --- let's be less of adversaries and just make an "I told you so bet" for bragging rights. I don't care for any of the candidates either, including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing. But if it comes to who I want answering the phone at 3 AM, I'll have to choose McCain. Hillary scares the living hell out of me. Obama's true colors are now being discovered. It's amazing to me how so many people can be drawn in by a very glib speaker --- not unlike the "Christians" who flock to the charlatans and give them all their money. A lot od smart, but naive, people.
John P.
Fair enough.
jparken wrote:
including McCain. To me he's just a liberal Democrat in Republican clothing
I hear ya, I think he decided to be Republican a few seconds after he decided to run for President. What scares me the most about this election is that it seems more than usual that you can't tell anything from what these candidates say. I was all for Duncan Hunter till he dropped out. Then it was Thompson... Then Romney... I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but I want to know how McCain came to be the only choice when NOBODY wants him. But at least with McCain, I don't think we need to worry about Communist Health Care. Though he doesn't want to fix immigration either. How people can hear "we're going to tax the crap out of you, and we refuse to fix Social Security" and think they're good ideas is beyond me. I suppose that's because Obama said "we're leaving the tax cuts in place, and starting Socialist Welfare Communist Health Care" and nobody questions were all that money's going to come from.
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It's the same principle, you're judging one man based on the actions of another man... that doesn't seem very intelligent.
If I went to KKK meetings for 20 years, what do you think that would make me??? And what do you think black people would think I am? And why should it be any different for me to think that a black man can be as racist as a white person? Or don't you believe that blacks can be racist? Do you think his pastor is racist? Do you think his pastor hates America? And if you listened to this garbage for 20 years, how would people classify you? Like I said, you're not thinking like you have any intelligence, or maybe you are just naive?
John P.
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I'm impressed, Parken. Looks like you have managed to capture Ilion's level of critical thinking and personal insight, without his pompous diction. Taking your spewage point by point... I'm most likely smarter than you, for what that's worth. I'm not judging you, I'm merely saying you're wrong about Obama, based on his history outside of church, everything he's said, written, and done over his career in public life, and the testimonials of friends of all ethnic backgrounds, all of which count more than a 10-second clip you saw on Fox News. I've voted Republican and Libertarian in past elections, but will certainly be voting Democrat in this one (worst case, I think Hillary is less unfit for the office than McCain). There seem to be quite a few Republicans that have a very different view of Obama than you. Finally, I would like to think that, like me, Obama would say that, thankfully and by the workings of a merciful creator, you are definitely not a "typical white guy". Unlike Obama, I would probably say that you're a miserable little ass-hamster. I do like your honest signature, though, you miserable little ass-hamster.
Now I'm offended, you hate-mongering little piece of pond scum. Maybe you should reach up under yourself and pull what brains you have left out of your ass. Smarter than me? You aren't smarter than a 5th grader, you pompous asshole. I don't watch Fox News by the way (guess you do though, since you obviously know what they are talking about). And I'm done responding to a puke like you! ;P
John P.
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If I went to KKK meetings for 20 years, what do you think that would make me??? And what do you think black people would think I am? And why should it be any different for me to think that a black man can be as racist as a white person? Or don't you believe that blacks can be racist? Do you think his pastor is racist? Do you think his pastor hates America? And if you listened to this garbage for 20 years, how would people classify you? Like I said, you're not thinking like you have any intelligence, or maybe you are just naive?
John P.
No I don't believe his pastor is racist, and I wouldn't compare is sermons to KKK meetings. Now who's comparing apples to oranges? I would consider myself naive if I listened to a 10 second clip of a man ranting and assumed anyone who attended his church completely agrees with every single word he says.
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CataclysmicQuantum wrote:
obama or hillery will not become president I can almost garentee it.
You may well have a future disappointment then.
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Now I'm offended, you hate-mongering little piece of pond scum. Maybe you should reach up under yourself and pull what brains you have left out of your ass. Smarter than me? You aren't smarter than a 5th grader, you pompous asshole. I don't watch Fox News by the way (guess you do though, since you obviously know what they are talking about). And I'm done responding to a puke like you! ;P
John P.
You are taking a man who is respected by his constituents, respected by his party, respected by most of his country, and about whom few who have actually had contact with him have had a single unkind word, and trashing him based on a handful of 10-second sound bites on YouTube and a handful of right-wing editorials. Do you think that's smart? You use words like "LIAR" and "RACIST" (caps are yours). Do you think that's not hate-mongering? Maybe I'm not smarter than you, Parken. Maybe you are just preternaturally adept at hiding a 165 IQ. That wouldn't change the fact that you come across in practically every post as an angry, bitter, judgmental, ill-read, bigoted old jackass who spends his time between posts yelling at those damn kids to get off his lawn. I first insulted your post, you responded with a meandering, anti-liberal rant, and ended by calling me a jerk -- excuse me, that would be a JERK! Do you think that's not offensive? And I'm done responding to an ass-hamster like you.
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And you're about as intelligent as a mustard seed --- and who the hell are you to judge me, liberal Democrat? You'd vote for the donkey itself if it ran against a Republican. You don't spend a lot of thoughtful time in the voting booth do you? ---- just pull one lever and you're done, right? How come Democrats are the only ones who can't see through Obama's past? Sure, he speaks well. Maybe you should hear his book on audio CD. But then again, as he would say, I'm just another "typical white guy". JERK!
John P.
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But I bet, no matter how pissed off they get, they still won't strap a bomb on and blow someone up.
Hrm.. some of them have. Didn't some redneck blow up half of Oklahoma 10-15 years ago?
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No I don't believe his pastor is racist, and I wouldn't compare is sermons to KKK meetings. Now who's comparing apples to oranges? I would consider myself naive if I listened to a 10 second clip of a man ranting and assumed anyone who attended his church completely agrees with every single word he says.
Ro0ke wrote:
and I wouldn't compare is sermons to KKK meetings.
Aren't KKK meetings sermons? IIRC, KKK is a christian organization. They've just added a twist to their theology...
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