Recruiting Horror
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Interesting story, but shouldn't it be in the lounge for all to pour scorn on said recruiter? Coz I iz no' interested in your summary[sic]. At least she didn't say "Itz Urgnt. Plz email me codez."
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Pete O'Hanlon wrote:
Interesting story, but shouldn't it be in the lounge for all to pour scorn on said recruiter? Coz I iz no' interested in your summary[sic]. At least she didn't say "Itz Urgnt. Plz email me codez."
Good point, and so noted.
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
Just curious, what's her race? Jumper is everywhere in Singapore, we call it job hopper here. They are everywhere here because one reason: the companies are not bothered that they are job hop and still hire them. By the way, it's the way to do if you want your salary increase faster than GST. ;) Some job agents here, yeah, they aren't professional at any level, at all. Some of them, when they got a position, just goes to their company's database and mass mail to everyone, without even look at your resume.
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Just curious, what's her race? Jumper is everywhere in Singapore, we call it job hopper here. They are everywhere here because one reason: the companies are not bothered that they are job hop and still hire them. By the way, it's the way to do if you want your salary increase faster than GST. ;) Some job agents here, yeah, they aren't professional at any level, at all. Some of them, when they got a position, just goes to their company's database and mass mail to everyone, without even look at your resume.
darkelv wrote:
Just curious, what's her race? Jumper is everywhere in Singapore, we call it job hopper here. They are everywhere here because one reason: the companies are not bothered that they are job hop and still hire them. By the way, it's the way to do if you want your salary increase faster than GST. Some job agents here, yeah, they aren't professional at any level, at all. Some of them, when they got a position, just goes to their company's database and mass mail to everyone, without even look at your resume.
This particular recruiter is a Filipino by blood, much like myself (except that I'm heavily Americanized). Btw, What's GST? And what's it like living in Singapore? Are they really that strict? And how's the competition in the developer job market?
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darkelv wrote:
Just curious, what's her race? Jumper is everywhere in Singapore, we call it job hopper here. They are everywhere here because one reason: the companies are not bothered that they are job hop and still hire them. By the way, it's the way to do if you want your salary increase faster than GST. Some job agents here, yeah, they aren't professional at any level, at all. Some of them, when they got a position, just goes to their company's database and mass mail to everyone, without even look at your resume.
This particular recruiter is a Filipino by blood, much like myself (except that I'm heavily Americanized). Btw, What's GST? And what's it like living in Singapore? Are they really that strict? And how's the competition in the developer job market?
Do you know...LinFu?
Goods & Service Tax, or VAT in some country. Well, living standard in Singapore is rather high, though not as high as Tokyo and Hong Kong. The pace is slight behind Tokyo and HK too, and it's not as dense as those 2 cities. The island is small, so it's convenient to go anywhere, the con side is not a lot of places to go ;). The government agencies are highly digitized and so very efficient. Not sure in which area do you mean by strict. Right now it's still employee's market, looks like the demand for developer/system analyst/team lead levels is still very strong, I still get a lot of queries on those jobs.
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
The problem is that you are not responsible for paying the consultants fee. The employer is. Therefore, they won't piss off the employer, but may irritate the hell out of any potential candidates.
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The problem is that you are not responsible for paying the consultants fee. The employer is. Therefore, they won't piss off the employer, but may irritate the hell out of any potential candidates.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Developer Day Scotland Recent blog posts: * Mixins in C#3.0 My website | Blog
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The problem is that you are not responsible for paying the consultants fee. The employer is. Therefore, they won't piss off the employer, but may irritate the hell out of any potential candidates.
The employer might be responsible for the consultant's fee, but since the job market in Singapore is an employee's market, the competition for finding employees among recruiters is going to be very high, and it won't make it easier on this firm if they've got recruiters irritating the relatively low supply of qualified employees they're trying to hire. They have no legal obligations to be "nice" to prospective hires, but if they keep offending each one that comes along, there won't be any employers to pay them the consultant fee for finding good talent since no employee would want to be recruited through them. Some people call it the "golden rule", but I call it the karma of business: the better you treat people, the higher your profits will be in the long run.
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modified on Saturday, April 5, 2008 6:30 PM
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
The problem is that you are not responsible for paying the consultants fee. The employer is. Therefore, they won't piss off the employer, but may irritate the hell out of any potential candidates.
The employer might be responsible for the consultant's fee, but since the job market in Singapore is an employee's market, the competition for finding employees among recruiters is going to be very high, and it won't make it easier on this firm if they've got recruiters irritating the relatively low supply of qualified employees they're trying to hire. They have no legal obligations to be "nice" to prospective hires, but if they keep offending each one that comes along, there won't be any employers to pay them the consultant fee for finding good talent since no employee would want to be recruited through them. Some people call it the "golden rule", but I call it the karma of business: the better you treat people, the higher your profits will be in the long run.
Do you know...LinFu?
modified on Saturday, April 5, 2008 6:30 PM
Philip Laureano wrote:
but if they keep offending each one that comes along, there won't be any employers to pay them the consultant fee for finding good talent since no employee would want to be recruited through them.
True, but it will take longer for the employer to figure out that they need to ditch a certain recruitment agency and they probably won't know why.
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The problem is that you are not responsible for paying the consultants fee. The employer is. Therefore, they won't piss off the employer, but may irritate the hell out of any potential candidates.
Upcoming FREE developer events: * Developer Day Scotland Recent blog posts: * Mixins in C#3.0 My website | Blog
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
:D. Love it, thanks for posting.
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
"And remember, its "their", not thier" Actually, it's "they're"
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"And remember, its "their", not thier" Actually, it's "they're"
Whoops. I was too busy correcting her spelling to notice. Touche. :)
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Just curious, what's her race? Jumper is everywhere in Singapore, we call it job hopper here. They are everywhere here because one reason: the companies are not bothered that they are job hop and still hire them. By the way, it's the way to do if you want your salary increase faster than GST. ;) Some job agents here, yeah, they aren't professional at any level, at all. Some of them, when they got a position, just goes to their company's database and mass mail to everyone, without even look at your resume.
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
Grammar Nazis such as you are so annoying. While I agree, to an extend, that spelling is quite important if you are to be making a living as a recruiter, you forget that not everyone is native English speaker. Even you, who obviously fancy yourself a speller, write : Now run a long, little "associate" consultant, before you get yourself into trouble for your "charming" recruiting skills. Maybe you meant to write: Now run along, little "associate" consultant, before you get yourself in trouble for your "charming" recruitment skills. That being said, I do share your frustration with this particular headhunter. You did a fine thing, emailing headquarters.
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Grammar Nazis such as you are so annoying. While I agree, to an extend, that spelling is quite important if you are to be making a living as a recruiter, you forget that not everyone is native English speaker. Even you, who obviously fancy yourself a speller, write : Now run a long, little "associate" consultant, before you get yourself into trouble for your "charming" recruiting skills. Maybe you meant to write: Now run along, little "associate" consultant, before you get yourself in trouble for your "charming" recruitment skills. That being said, I do share your frustration with this particular headhunter. You did a fine thing, emailing headquarters.
VentsyV wrote:
Grammar Nazis such as you are so annoying. While I agree, to an extend, that spelling is quite important if you are to be making a living as a recruiter, you forget that not everyone is native English speaker.
I merely became a "Grammar Nazi" since I knew it would annoy the recruiter, and I'm also well aware that not everyone is a native English speaker. If it were any other circumstance, I probably wouldn't care how she wrote or spoke English. Since she crossed the line, however, the least she deserved was a good verbal bashing.
VentsyV wrote:
That being said, I do share your frustration with this particular headhunter. You did a fine thing, emailing headquarters.
Thanks :)
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Today, some headhunter for a firm in Singapore asked me if I wanted to apply for some C# developer position that called for at least five years of experience. The initial email went something like this: Hi, Good morning this is ----- of [company removed], we are currently looking for an IT Professionals who is open for the opportunity to work in Singapore for permanent posting and your friend 'J' had forwarded me your resume but it looks like its only a summary, can you email me again a detailed resume of yours? Also attached is a reference form, kindly fill it up and email it also to me coz I need to attach it to your resume before forwarding to my supervisor. Thank you and hope to hear from you soon. [Edit: The copy of the resume I sent her was *three* pages long and it listed every programmer job I had since 1999, in addition to the all the open source projects that I worked on, the articles I had done for CodeProject, and the certifications and awards that I had. Despite that, she still called it a "summary"] To make things worse, she couldn't even properly remember (or even spell) J's full name. The attachment she mentioned wasn't even attached to the email she sent me, and it was all downhill from there. Here was my initial reply: Hi -------, Sorry, I'm not currently interested in working in Singapore, but you can give J [edit: I corrected the spelling for his name] my thanks for referring me. At first, things were cordial. Her response was the typical head hunter speak that we've all come to know: Hi, Thank you for your reply. If Im may ask do you know any friend or colleague who have the same qualification as yours, or who is JAVA, C#, ORACLE DBA or whose experience using a ACTUATE REPORT, kindly email their names and contact # to me so I can call and talk to them. Your help is highly apreciated. -----[Name deleted]---- The bad English was starting to get on my nerves. I don't know what got in to me, but I had to reply: Me:Nope, sorry. There's not very many programmers here in ------ with more than eight years of experience like myself. Now, out of curiosity, what made you think my resume was a 'summary'? She didn't answer my second question. Instead, all I got was a simple "Thanx". Maybe my own judgment got the best of me, but the combination of the LOLCode speak and the fact that she just insulted my life's work experience made me snap. Me: You're welcome. Maybe when you learn how to properly
I would have done the same. When I read the first few lines I thought it was some kind of joke and then it got worse.