Level of Dross/Reputations
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
What us users can do: 1) Post more good articles. 2) Don't post rubbish articles. 3) Report/downvote bad ones, so they get removed. What CP could do: 1) Require more moderation before articles go public. (This could be a system of full moderation and approval required for your first 2 artciles, then a decresing amount for future articles etc, or something similer, it doesn't matter, just more moderation to get rid of the rubbish before it's live). 2) Remove articles that have been downvoted or reported faster. (Again, maybe more moderators who can remove articles, or maybe raise vote threshold required for automatic removal)
Simon
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
PeterTheGreat wrote:
we restore the reputation
Using the 'Report Article' button?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
PeterTheGreat wrote:
I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen.
I wholeheartedly agree. :sigh: <blockquote class="FQ"><div class="FQA">PeterTheGreat wrote:</div>How do we restore the reputation? </blockquote> Need to clamp down on membership, can't post articles unless you've been a member for 30 days. Act quickly on repeat offenders, ban them from submitting articles for 90 days, look at the dude who have posted the last recent articles, shameful. We need to report articles quickly not vote down, I do this alot sometimes they're slow to remove the articles.
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What us users can do: 1) Post more good articles. 2) Don't post rubbish articles. 3) Report/downvote bad ones, so they get removed. What CP could do: 1) Require more moderation before articles go public. (This could be a system of full moderation and approval required for your first 2 artciles, then a decresing amount for future articles etc, or something similer, it doesn't matter, just more moderation to get rid of the rubbish before it's live). 2) Remove articles that have been downvoted or reported faster. (Again, maybe more moderators who can remove articles, or maybe raise vote threshold required for automatic removal)
Simon
There are good articles being submitted, but they're being suffacated by the amount of dross articles, being a member since CP started over the last 5 years is got worse and worse and the majority of crap is I'm afraid coming from India.
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PeterTheGreat wrote:
we restore the reputation
Using the 'Report Article' button?
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
Tech Gossips
A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis LevinsonUse it all the time, still CP are sometimes slow to remove. We need other measure in place, the last idoit from India who has recently posted 3 empty articles actually needs a time ban.
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Use it all the time, still CP are sometimes slow to remove. We need other measure in place, the last idoit from India who has recently posted 3 empty articles actually needs a time ban.
I find one more weird thing. His profile shows '3 articles' and '1 messages'. But the messages loads blank and I doubt that he had 'asked code' and it got removed off. Now his articles are also in the slaughter queue.
Vasudevan Deepak Kumar Personal Homepage
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A pessimist sees only the dark side of the clouds, and mopes; a philosopher sees both sides, and shrugs; an optimist doesn't see the clouds at all - he's walking on them. --Leonard Louis Levinson -
There are good articles being submitted, but they're being suffacated by the amount of dross articles, being a member since CP started over the last 5 years is got worse and worse and the majority of crap is I'm afraid coming from India.
Unfortunately you are right, this is becoming a serious problem and I too am visiting less and less. I also feel less likely to post articles as they are soon knocked out of the "recent articles" list by utter crap and thus get noticed less than they might otherwise do.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
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Unfortunately you are right, this is becoming a serious problem and I too am visiting less and less. I also feel less likely to post articles as they are soon knocked out of the "recent articles" list by utter crap and thus get noticed less than they might otherwise do.
Jonathan Wilkes Darka[Xanya.net]
Jonathan [Darka] wrote:
I also feel less likely to post articles as they are soon knocked out of the "recent articles" list by utter crap and thus get noticed less than they might otherwise do.
Maybe just a minor change to the logic, that only edited/moderated articles appear in the recent artciles list. All bar one of the artciles currently in the recent list are unedited artciles.
Simon
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
The site has a voting system, you can use that to work out where the good articles are. I wonder if search allows you to specify a minimum rating you want matches to have ? That's a good idea.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
The only people I see complaining about the quality of articles are the CodeProject users themselves. Most of the crap articles are being posted by Indians (I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just stating a fact). It's really hard to fathom why these people post the empty articles, or as one guy did, posted an article that was a programming question. Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
The only people I see complaining about the quality of articles are the CodeProject users themselves. Most of the crap articles are being posted by Indians (I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just stating a fact). It's really hard to fathom why these people post the empty articles, or as one guy did, posted an article that was a programming question. Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001I think that a lot of Indians in particular, are looking for forms of certification, and are hoping to be able to say they have XX articles and/or hope to get the CP MVP award.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
Yeah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge. Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case. There's not much we can do, but shake our heads.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I think that a lot of Indians in particular, are looking for forms of certification, and are hoping to be able to say they have XX articles and/or hope to get the CP MVP award.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
Yeah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge. Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case. There's not much we can do, but shake our heads.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
There's not much we can do, but shake our heads.
Wring their necks?
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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I think that a lot of Indians in particular, are looking for forms of certification, and are hoping to be able to say they have XX articles and/or hope to get the CP MVP award.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
Yeah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge. Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case. There's not much we can do, but shake our heads.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
eah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge.
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English). Besides, I've always been a proponent of changing the interface here. Someone else suggested a 30-day delay in the ability to post articles, but that will just keep the better programmers from registering. Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Christian Graus wrote:
Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case.
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable. I know Chris et al have a lot of other crap to deal with, so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 -
Christian Graus wrote:
eah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge.
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English). Besides, I've always been a proponent of changing the interface here. Someone else suggested a 30-day delay in the ability to post articles, but that will just keep the better programmers from registering. Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Christian Graus wrote:
Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case.
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable. I know Chris et al have a lot of other crap to deal with, so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English).
I'm impressed.... However, I don't think we can make it much clearer. Some people (Indian or not) are just dumb.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Yeah, plenty of 'articles' contain the initial text, so that seems like a good idea.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable.
Well, we can't stop that they are stupid.... At what point is it too much to annoy everyone with ever bigger red 'please don't post programming questions' banners, for the sake of the few who don't read them anyhow ?
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
I've seen people make similar offers from time to time, but it's still certainly commendable. I suspect it's a lot of work for the site to accept that sort of help tho, in terms of integrating it, and legal issues. But, I've not worked for the site for months now, I'm just saying what I think. You should perhaps email Chris if you want to make a serious offer of help, and see what he says.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
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I think that a lot of Indians in particular, are looking for forms of certification, and are hoping to be able to say they have XX articles and/or hope to get the CP MVP award.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
Perhaps the UI presented on the site needs to be re-thought.
Yeah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge. Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case. There's not much we can do, but shake our heads.
Christian Graus Please read this if you don't understand the answer I've given you "also I don't think "TranslateOneToTwoBillion OneHundredAndFortySevenMillion FourHundredAndEightyThreeThousand SixHundredAndFortySeven()" is a very good choice for a function name" - SpacixOne ( offering help to someone who really needed it ) ( spaces added for the benefit of people running at < 1280x1024 )
Christian Graus wrote:
t shake our heads
Shake my head anymore and it will fall off:)
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Christian Graus wrote:
eah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge.
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English). Besides, I've always been a proponent of changing the interface here. Someone else suggested a 30-day delay in the ability to post articles, but that will just keep the better programmers from registering. Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Christian Graus wrote:
Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case.
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable. I know Chris et al have a lot of other crap to deal with, so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote:
and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that
I'll put my mooney where my mouth is and I write code that will trap duff articless. The first thing that needs to be done is put a classification on the duff artices. 1. Empty Article 2. Partial Empty Article 3. Bad Formatting 4. Too short? 5. etc. Then develop code analysis and parse the articles. Ain't rocket science.
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I am finding that I am visiting Code Project less and less due to the level of utter dross posted by some article writers. Due to the high amount of substandard articles I am starting to wonder what the point in visiting is? (Just look at 3 out of the "ten most recent changes" to see my point) I feel Code Project is starting to get a reputation for substandard articles and a repository for coders of a questionable ability to post their "Resume enhancing" articles. This is worrying as I feel the creators of Code Project never intended for this to happen. How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
I vote comments like yours a 1.
PeterTheGreat wrote:
How do we restore the reputation? Or Can we?
Stop complaining and write some quality articles yourself to raise the overall level of quality. You want to improve CP's reputation? Then start improving it. This is a site, afterall, where the quality of the site is 99% determined by the contributions of the people. The fact that I can contribute articles without going through a lengthy submittal process, and the fact that the members themselves moderate the articles is fantastic. Sure it has flaws, I get p.o'd like everyone else when I get a 1 vote, but overall, I think it's great. Marc
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Christian Graus wrote:
eah, and I'm sure that just the right UI will stop all programming questions to the lounge.
I'm trying to be "sensitive" toward the plight of the typical Indian programmer (whose first language isn't English). Besides, I've always been a proponent of changing the interface here. Someone else suggested a 30-day delay in the ability to post articles, but that will just keep the better programmers from registering. Maybe implementing some sort of rudimentary text checking to make sure the article a) contains text, and b) doesn't contain any of the text that is used in the boilerplate template presented in the article submission wizard, and c) contains MORE text than the boilerplate template (of course the stuff in the header tags would be omitted from this comparison).
Christian Graus wrote:
Face it, fact is that our industry has a lot more stupid people in it than used to be the case.
Yeah, I know, but just allowing it to happen without trying to address it is simply not acceptable. I know Chris et al have a lot of other crap to deal with, so I am willing to put my money where my mouth is, and volunteer to help develop code to keep the bad guys at bay. I haven't seen anyone else step up like that - it seems most people just want to complain, or just shake their heads.
"Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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"...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001Maybe just disable the article submission wizard for IP's that originate from India. They ought to use email to submit the article, ensuring that an admin definitely has to atleast scan through the article before it gets posted here. But doing that may be politically incorrect since it's outright discrimination. But I'll accept it since I've seen the rubbish that gets posted, not that my opinion has any weight around here. I used to get upset when you duffed Indians at every opportunity you got, but looking at the questions asked and even the messages in the lounge, I simply had to accept that what you were saying is true, even though it's put across in a very harsh manner. But it doesn't go to say that every Indian programmer is like that. Unfortunately, it's only the duffers who surface more often. Blame the hiring practices and general decline in eduation here. But believe me, I've interviewed worse candidates.
SG Cause is effect concealed. Effect is cause revealed.
