Is Windows Broken
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A nice read... Winsupersite[^]
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A nice read... Winsupersite[^]
Who'd've thought that I as primarily a Mac OS X user would so totally agree with Paul on this?. I do tho. Really, it doesn't matter what you say; XP is pretty usable but Vista so knocks the socks off of it usability wise.
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Who'd've thought that I as primarily a Mac OS X user would so totally agree with Paul on this?. I do tho. Really, it doesn't matter what you say; XP is pretty usable but Vista so knocks the socks off of it usability wise.
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A nice read... Winsupersite[^]
Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Good point, the same goes with Office, give me something less I only use 5% of the features.
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Good point, the same goes with Office, give me something less I only use 5% of the features.
The problem with that is I bet the 5% of features I use doesn't 100% overlap with your 5%... And there's more than two of us to sell to. Saying that, I used Word 6 for YEARS. I'd have used word 2 for longer, but I liked the coloured toolbar buttons. If it wasn't for other people's documents, I'd still be using word 6. Iain.
Iain Clarke appears because CPallini still cares.
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The problem with that is I bet the 5% of features I use doesn't 100% overlap with your 5%... And there's more than two of us to sell to. Saying that, I used Word 6 for YEARS. I'd have used word 2 for longer, but I liked the coloured toolbar buttons. If it wasn't for other people's documents, I'd still be using word 6. Iain.
Iain Clarke appears because CPallini still cares.
Iain Clarke wrote:
The problem with that is I bet the 5% of features I use doesn't 100% overlap with your 5%...
Thats exactly the problem, lots of different people want lots of different features and they don't all overlap. Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid :P
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OT: quick question for ya. Do you run either XP or Vista under bootcamp, VMWare or otherwise? If so which do you recommend?
He who makes a beast out of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man
Just Vista ultimate through bootcamp and i can easilly recommend it. haven't seen any virtualisation solution that can deal with graphics cards properly. And the ability to use 3d outweighs the discomfort of rebooting into a different OS every now and then.
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
I think they can have a video editing software, but I'll be glad if it is not installed on my OS by default. It could be installed on demand, when and *if* I ask for it.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Not sure how this is on the Windows or Linux side since I prefer full installs, but i know OS X won't mind a bit if you choose not to install stuff like iTunes and iMovie. If you don't want it, then don't install it, or even just trash it.
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
I totally agree. an OS should be an OS, and that's it. I don't want my OS to do video editing, picture editing, play music/dvds, read emails, send IMs blah blah blah. I've got 3rd party software that does all that far better than windows. Yeah, ok, some users want all that junk bundled up and ready with their OS, but on installation give the option for a totally clean installation that only does the basic OS stuff.
Simon
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
There are many "minimalist" Linux distributions (and BSD as well) that follow that philosphy, but frankly I did not find them too atractive for the desktop use. It is just easier to have "everything" preinstalled with the OS :)
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
although I partially agree in concept, I think this ignores the motion of technology around us. We forget, as professionals, that the average user is having technology overabundance, and enjoying it. Why is video editing and picture manipulation/slide shows now part of an OS? Go down to your cell phone shop and look around. Cameras are part of PDA's, cell phones, you can even get digital cameras for under $50. Cameras are as common as dirt, in some ways more common as cities have cemented over the fields and some people grow up seeing cameras from birth to death, but never an open field of green outside of a zoo. Someone recently asked me for what I use for digital photography, and I promptly told them they really don't want that. Why? I use a digital dark room, I need the 3rd party tool with advanced feature sets, and manipulations of the color spectrum from IR to UV and all points in between. The average user? they need the one-step color/contrast/brightness fix. The reason that these things are growing in complexity is because the world is growing in complexity. An OS reflecting the complexity of the common use environment is what an OS is all about. The rest of us, professionals especially, but also advanced amatures, will ignore or uninstall the basic version and buy our 3rd party tools. This is why there will always be a market for 3rd party tools of the same nature. We are what 1% of the market and less no matter how you classify us? The OS isn't made specifically for us, it reflects the general nature of the environment around us. 3D cards are cheaper than a tank of gas, so of course the OS should reflect that hardware. Cameras are found in common devices, so yes, the OS is going to reflect this environment, regardless of what we do with our <1% of the marketshare.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Gartner is FOS but one thing I disagree with Paul Thurrot on is:
That is, no one is asking for new versions of Windows that do less than previous versions.
I do. I also wish Mac OS X did less, and Ubuntu and every OS I have used in the past few years. Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
although I partially agree in concept, I think this ignores the motion of technology around us. We forget, as professionals, that the average user is having technology overabundance, and enjoying it. Why is video editing and picture manipulation/slide shows now part of an OS? Go down to your cell phone shop and look around. Cameras are part of PDA's, cell phones, you can even get digital cameras for under $50. Cameras are as common as dirt, in some ways more common as cities have cemented over the fields and some people grow up seeing cameras from birth to death, but never an open field of green outside of a zoo. Someone recently asked me for what I use for digital photography, and I promptly told them they really don't want that. Why? I use a digital dark room, I need the 3rd party tool with advanced feature sets, and manipulations of the color spectrum from IR to UV and all points in between. The average user? they need the one-step color/contrast/brightness fix. The reason that these things are growing in complexity is because the world is growing in complexity. An OS reflecting the complexity of the common use environment is what an OS is all about. The rest of us, professionals especially, but also advanced amatures, will ignore or uninstall the basic version and buy our 3rd party tools. This is why there will always be a market for 3rd party tools of the same nature. We are what 1% of the market and less no matter how you classify us? The OS isn't made specifically for us, it reflects the general nature of the environment around us. 3D cards are cheaper than a tank of gas, so of course the OS should reflect that hardware. Cameras are found in common devices, so yes, the OS is going to reflect this environment, regardless of what we do with our <1% of the marketshare.
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
My original answer was pretty short but people have responded beyond what I was anticipating. The issue is complex but I do believe current OSs are too complex and bogged down. Video editing should be optional and not part of the core system. I should be able to remove the bundled app and it should not leave behind a trace. Preferably when I get a new PC I should be asked what I want included, not have everything included and then have to uninstall. By "3rd party" I include apps made by the OS maker. 3rd party just means it isn't part of the core OS.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
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Paul Watson wrote:
Give me a clean OS that does the basics well and leaves video editing up to 3rd party applications.
I think they can have a video editing software, but I'll be glad if it is not installed on my OS by default. It could be installed on demand, when and *if* I ask for it.
Nobody can give you wiser advice than yourself. - Cicero .·´¯`·->Rajesh<-·´¯`·. Codeproject.com: Visual C++ MVP
Rajesh R Subramanian wrote:
I think they can have a video editing software, but I'll be glad if it is not installed on my OS by default. It could be installed on demand, when and *if* I ask for it.
having walked my wife through a "custom" install of an advanced product, I would disagree. I do want the custom install option, but I do think the default should reflect the mass consumer, but we (as the minority) should be given the option of a custom install. I think we are more likely to get our demands if we are reasonable in them, asking for the mass market to reflect our advanced needs isn't going to happen. If we are realistic in this, and demand what is reasonable, we are more likely to get what we ask for than be ignored completely. I agree that an OS should reflect the mass consumer needs, that is pure business sense, nothing against us per se, but we spend a lot of time complaining that we are not reflected when we demand something that is never going to happen. We need to be realistic as well. We're a minority, and as a minority, how can we fit in with the complexity of a growing digital environment without too much interference in our lives? If we make the right demands, such as the optional custom install, we are more likely to get it, than to demand that the default reflect us over the 99% market share majority of the rest of the world. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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My original answer was pretty short but people have responded beyond what I was anticipating. The issue is complex but I do believe current OSs are too complex and bogged down. Video editing should be optional and not part of the core system. I should be able to remove the bundled app and it should not leave behind a trace. Preferably when I get a new PC I should be asked what I want included, not have everything included and then have to uninstall. By "3rd party" I include apps made by the OS maker. 3rd party just means it isn't part of the core OS.
regards, Paul Watson Ireland & South Africa
Fernando A. Gomez F. wrote:
At least he achieved immortality for a few years.
Paul Watson wrote:
Preferably when I get a new PC I should be asked what I want included, not have everything included and then have to uninstall.
I believe this is not too much to ask for, as long as we remember that as a minority we are never going to get this as the default consumer product. Demanding a custom install option, with the ability to leave out products is not unreasonable, but asking for MS to force every user to do a custom install I believe is unreasonable... and part of the reason we find ourselves ignored in our demands. :-D
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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Iain Clarke wrote:
The problem with that is I bet the 5% of features I use doesn't 100% overlap with your 5%...
Thats exactly the problem, lots of different people want lots of different features and they don't all overlap. Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid :P
originSH wrote:
Then people say "give us only the features we want", so Microsoft do that by releasing different versions, thats followed by people saying "but this is all too confusing, we don't want lots of versions, we just want what we want". Which all just goes to show that end users (in general) are stupid
No, it means MS doesn't know how to offer the products the market actually wants. Lopping off an arbitrary set of features doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining features are going to match anyone's needs... Problem is, the last thing MS wants to do is roll out a single, consistent, base OS and then add on features for upscale versions - that would put those add-ons in almost the same marketplace as third-party add-ons. But if you leave out basic functionality like multi-processor support, filesystem enhancements, or a composite windowing system, then you've got your customers over a barrel - these aren't easy areas for 3rd-parties to replace, and it's even less likely that your customers would trust a third-party to essentially hack the OS anyway.
Citizen 20.1.01
'The question is,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'which is to be master - that's all.'
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I agree...and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out :)
David Lockwood wrote:
and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out
and they are.... when we double streaming processors every year... http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html[^] right now I can put 768 streaming processors on a motherboard... that means next year I will be well beyond 1024. :) ohhh.. you mean CPU cores.... ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."
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David Lockwood wrote:
and they should be concentrating their efforts on how they're going to exploit 1024 cores in a processor when it comes out
and they are.... when we double streaming processors every year... http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800gx2.html[^] right now I can put 768 streaming processors on a motherboard... that means next year I will be well beyond 1024. :) ohhh.. you mean CPU cores.... ;)
_________________________ Asu no koto o ieba, tenjo de nezumi ga warau. Talk about things of tomorrow and the mice in the ceiling laugh. (Japanese Proverb) John Andrew Holmes "It is well to remember that the entire universe, with one trifling exception, is composed of others."