How much do you know about *nix?
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
The local Uni teaches many classes using Java on Mac OS/X. I messed around a fair bit with Linux at one point; 'twas nice. But for some odd reason i suddenly thought it'd be fun to make money programming, and so gave it up. If i get hired somewhere to write code for a Unix system, i'm sure i'd be able to pick it up. It'd make a nice hobby if i ever get huge amounts of free time again. But...
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
I've worked with CTix, SunOS, Solaris, AIX, HP/UX, Linux, SCO Unix and Xenix, and Ultrix. That covers the past 20 years or so. I'm still waiting for Unix to go "mainstream" and become a competitor to Windows.
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The local Uni teaches many classes using Java on Mac OS/X. I messed around a fair bit with Linux at one point; 'twas nice. But for some odd reason i suddenly thought it'd be fun to make money programming, and so gave it up. If i get hired somewhere to write code for a Unix system, i'm sure i'd be able to pick it up. It'd make a nice hobby if i ever get huge amounts of free time again. But...
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
Shog9 wrote: Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java! I've been quoted! ;)
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Shog9 wrote: Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java! I've been quoted! ;)
Ryan Johnston wrote: I've been quoted! Ya lucky bastard :D
Shog9 --
Maybe Java is kind of like God, it "works in mysterious ways". It seems like your apps are running slowly, because in the backgroud Java is solving world hunger, or finding the cure to cancer. - Ryan Johnston, Don't die java!
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
In college (4-8 years ago), we used some Macs (just for the basic stuff), SGIs, and DECs. We focused mostly on standard C++ stuff (not STL, though, becuase it either hadn't been invented or had just recently been invented.) I did take a class on programming languages in geneneral, where we had to learn Scheme and Prolog, in addition to using C++. Nowadays, I believe most of those aging Unix boxes have been replaced by PC's running Linux. I think some of the intro classes now use Java, but I'm not for sure on that. Linux works very well in academic environments, not just becuase the development tools are free. With any type of Unix, it is relatively easy to set up a whole lab of machines so that they all appear identical,and you can log on (locally or remotely) to any one that happens to be free and get your work done. If you have a good understanding of C++ and object-oriented design in general, it is pretty easy to pick up on the specifics (like MFC). Even if you win the rat race, you're still a rat.
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I have used Solaris and will use it on a home system that will only be a server and doc store, to save on buying Windows ( I own Solaris as well ). Beyond that, I could care less about *nix. I know more than enough std C++ to be able to program in that environment if I ever need to, but I don't see that as likely. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
Hello Christian, Are you using the Solaris on Intel box? If yes, how much does it cost to buy one? I am moving to multi-platform stuff soon, with my GIS stuff. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Hello Christian, Are you using the Solaris on Intel box? If yes, how much does it cost to buy one? I am moving to multi-platform stuff soon, with my GIS stuff. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: If yes, how much does it cost to buy one? About 75 USD, from the sun store. They are not going to support it any longer. Solaris 9 is sparc only.
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Hello Christian, Are you using the Solaris on Intel box? If yes, how much does it cost to buy one? I am moving to multi-platform stuff soon, with my GIS stuff. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
I got my copy from a friend, as an employee he was given several. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
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Paul Selormey wrote: If yes, how much does it cost to buy one? About 75 USD, from the sun store. They are not going to support it any longer. Solaris 9 is sparc only.
Sun is now selling Linux, so I guess that will be enough for their Intel support. Which Unix distribution are you using? and on what CPU? Mac OS X is Unix based, making the cross-platform programming a reality these days. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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I got my copy from a friend, as an employee he was given several. Christian come on all you MS suckups, defend your sugar-daddy now. - Chris Losinger - 11/07/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I got my copy from a friend, as an employee he was given several. Thanks, can a copy gets to me too? ;P Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
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Sun is now selling Linux, so I guess that will be enough for their Intel support. Which Unix distribution are you using? and on what CPU? Mac OS X is Unix based, making the cross-platform programming a reality these days. Best regards, Paul. Jesus Christ is LOVE! Please tell somebody.
Paul Selormey wrote: Which Unix distribution are you using? and on what CPU? I have a couple of Linux boxes and a Sun workstation.
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I am currently in college, and we have primarily focused on programming in C/C++. Most classes use Linux because it is free. MFC/Win32 has never been covered.
i am SO glad to hear that. i hear about a lot of schools in the US who are teaching Win/MFC only these days. back when i was in school (cool, i'm old!), we used various *nixes plus VMS, and we learned a lot about a lot of things: many languages, many styles of apps, consoles, X-Windows/Motif/Sunview, Curses, PHIGS, a few other front end systems, many SQL environments, etc.. i learned a lot about a lot of different things. i didn't learn Win/MFC till i was out of school. i think if i was forced to learn Doc/View in college, i would've missed out on a lot. -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
I've tinkered with Linux a bit, and set it up for my firewall. I also have a Linux machine that was supposed to be for learning Linux programming, but I have never quite got round to it. Instead I have ordered an SGI Octane box with Irix to play around with. I'm not going to use it, just take photographs to prove me as the geek I am. I started my Career on MFC, and for the first few months thought that MFC WAS C++. I soon saw the light though. Steve. if(E_NOINTERFACE == pThat->QueryInterface(IID_IUnknown,(void**)&pUnk)) { // I aint no pUnk bitch! }
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
When I was at uni (2 years ago now) the main campus computer labs were all PCs running Win2k, but the comp.sci labs had machines that dualbooted between linux and 2k. There were also a few Sun and Irix machines that you could telnet into to do various stuff. Most of our programming stuff (shell scripting, c++, haskell, prolog, among others) was done on Linux. The only non-linux stuff we did was a programming starter course in the 1st year, which was done in Turbo Pascal -- Help me! I'm turning into a grapefruit!
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i am SO glad to hear that. i hear about a lot of schools in the US who are teaching Win/MFC only these days. back when i was in school (cool, i'm old!), we used various *nixes plus VMS, and we learned a lot about a lot of things: many languages, many styles of apps, consoles, X-Windows/Motif/Sunview, Curses, PHIGS, a few other front end systems, many SQL environments, etc.. i learned a lot about a lot of different things. i didn't learn Win/MFC till i was out of school. i think if i was forced to learn Doc/View in college, i would've missed out on a lot. -c
To explain Donald Knuth's relevance to computing is like explaining Paul's relevance to the Catholic Church. He isn't God, he isn't the Son of God, but he was sent by God to explain God to the masses.
/. #3848917I'm quite suprised - here in the UK almost all universities are anti-MS. I've got a lot of friends studying computer science and engineering here and none of them are allowed to build their projects for Windows. Seems silly to me - universities don't seem to realise that studying Windows programming will make them much more 'employable' candidates for jobs. I'm not saying Universities should be MS-only, but the total hatred of MS in the UK academic system is really getting irritating. Anyone else experienced this in the UK? Cheers, Paul
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I am as familiar with Unix as I am with Windows because Unix was what I used back in college( I originally learned to program on it). How are the students of today being trained? Is it just Windows(MFC, Win32) or do they do Java and Linux now? I've always tried to make sure that I stay current on both Windows and Unix. Are any of you like me, or are just now starting to hedge and are learning both?
Martin Marvinski wrote: How much do you know about *nix? Aren't they the guys who have their balls cut off? Pretty handy if you need someone to look after your hareem, but otherwise... ;p :-D
