Northern Ireland and Near East
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IMHo an excellent article from The Guardian [new Window] We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
It has taken the IRA 30 years to apologise. Let us hope it does not take the Israelis and Palestinians so long This is stupid. IRA can only be compared with the palestinian radicals. As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group. I have doubts on that article. rechi
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It has taken the IRA 30 years to apologise. Let us hope it does not take the Israelis and Palestinians so long This is stupid. IRA can only be compared with the palestinian radicals. As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group. I have doubts on that article. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group Being provocative I could answer "Tsahal", but it would be unfair. But what about the past, and for example Irgoun ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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People are being *very* naive if they believe any of that about the IRA...
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IMHo an excellent article from The Guardian [new Window] We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
In order for peace to be achieved, the Palestinian leaders will have to want peace (like the IRA*). Arafat never has wanted peace and he never will. He must go. * if you believe it
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Bogdan Rechi wrote: As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group Being provocative I could answer "Tsahal", but it would be unfair. But what about the past, and for example Irgoun ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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Do you think the same about UVF ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Yes, they are as bad as the IRA. I'm from Northern Ireland and am very aware of the both sides...
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IMHo an excellent article from The Guardian [new Window] We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
::cough:: ::cough:: I don't believe in Santa Claus ... Believing IRA it's the same that believing in your worst enemy ... Since when terrorists are meant to be believed ???? The author is trully a blind optimist ... Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.
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In order for peace to be achieved, the Palestinian leaders will have to want peace (like the IRA*). Arafat never has wanted peace and he never will. He must go. * if you believe it
Jason Henderson
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"Like it or not, I'm right!"Peace hasn't been achieved. The IRA, and the same type of people on the other side still terrorise their communities. People wonder why there are few Catholics in the Northern Ireland police - it's because any person considering it as a career risks their life, and their family and friends' lives too...
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Yes, they are as bad as the IRA. I'm from Northern Ireland and am very aware of the both sides...
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Brian Lyttle wrote: I'm from Northern Ireland and am very aware of the both sides... Do you think there's a chance peace process succeeds ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Probably not. 95% of people in Northern Ireland are at peace. It's just a few on both sides who cause trouble. The people who are supposedly 'making peace' are not concerned about anyone other than themselves. The Irish Republic is interested in having possession of Northern Ireland. Any country would try and nab it's neighbours land if it thinks it has an opportunity to. Compare with the Spain/Morocco situation...
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People are being *very* naive if they believe any of that about the IRA...
Brian Lyttle wrote: People are being *very* naive if they believe any of that about the IRA... I don't agree with you there. The IRA haven't performed any attacks for a long time now. Groups going in the guise of the IRA have. The socaclled "Real IRA" and "Provisional IRA" are still doing what they can to mess everything up but these are simple offshoots and not the actual IRA. Don't get me wrong. I in no way agree with any form of terroist activity but to date the IRA are the only group to actually begin disarming and fully agree with the peace process.. Lets just all hope they stick too it.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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Probably not. 95% of people in Northern Ireland are at peace. It's just a few on both sides who cause trouble. The people who are supposedly 'making peace' are not concerned about anyone other than themselves. The Irish Republic is interested in having possession of Northern Ireland. Any country would try and nab it's neighbours land if it thinks it has an opportunity to. Compare with the Spain/Morocco situation...
Brian Lyttle wrote: The Irish Republic is interested in having possession of Northern Ireland. Any country would try and nab it's neighbours land if it thinks it has an opportunity to. lol... no offence but the English "nabed" [as you so nicely put it] the land a few hundred years ago. The Irish Government don't necessarily want it back. They just want a united Ireland. Different thing. Anyway. I'm not going to turn this into a flame war. Chris wouldn't like it.
"When a friend hurts us, we should write it down in the sand, where the winds of forgiveness get in charge of erasing it away, and when something great happens, we should engrave it in the stone of the memory of the heart, where no wind can erase it" Nish on life [methinks] "It's The Soapbox; topics are optional" Shog 9
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::cough:: ::cough:: I don't believe in Santa Claus ... Believing IRA it's the same that believing in your worst enemy ... Since when terrorists are meant to be believed ???? The author is trully a blind optimist ... Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.
Joao Vaz wrote: Believing IRA it's the same that believing in your worst enemy ... So the only way the conflict can be resolved is by the annihilation of the enemy. After all , if you cannot believe him you can never make peace with him. Joao Vaz wrote: Since when terrorists are meant to be believed ???? Terrorist are not human? As in not able to see the error of their ways and changing them ? Joao Vaz wrote: The author is trully a blind optimist ... Quite possibly. However, the apology is a small step in the right direction and if they follow it up with deeds it could bring an end to violence. Likewise Palestinians and Isrealis will have to kill each other or learn to live with/near each other.
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It has taken the IRA 30 years to apologise. Let us hope it does not take the Israelis and Palestinians so long This is stupid. IRA can only be compared with the palestinian radicals. As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group. I have doubts on that article. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group They're called the Israelli army. They may not go under the name of terrorists but as we speak they are occupying towns and enforcing curfews with guns and tanks. The effect is the same. They will drum hatred into the occupied territories and then as soon as people find a way too, they will strike back. This is not an attempt to justify the actions of the Pallistinians or the Israellis. It is a simple truth. www.TonysOpensource.pwp.BlueYonder.co.uk
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Joao Vaz wrote: Believing IRA it's the same that believing in your worst enemy ... So the only way the conflict can be resolved is by the annihilation of the enemy. After all , if you cannot believe him you can never make peace with him. Joao Vaz wrote: Since when terrorists are meant to be believed ???? Terrorist are not human? As in not able to see the error of their ways and changing them ? Joao Vaz wrote: The author is trully a blind optimist ... Quite possibly. However, the apology is a small step in the right direction and if they follow it up with deeds it could bring an end to violence. Likewise Palestinians and Isrealis will have to kill each other or learn to live with/near each other.
William De Prêtre wrote: So the only way the conflict can be resolved is by the annihilation of the enemy. After all , if you cannot believe him you can never make peace with him. Hey, no need to be so drastic :-) William De Prêtre wrote: As in not able to see the error of their ways and changing them ? They are humans , but believing in blood killers ... William De Prêtre wrote: Quite possibly. However, the apology is a small step in the right direction and if they follow it up with deeds it could bring an end to violence. Quite true, quite true. :-) William De Prêtre wrote: Likewise Palestinians and Isrealis will have to kill each other or learn to live with/near each other. Unfortunately is a much worser case than Northen Ireland :-( Cheers, Joao Vaz The loved ones never really leave us , they are always alive on our hearts and minds.
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In order for peace to be achieved, the Palestinian leaders will have to want peace (like the IRA*). Arafat never has wanted peace and he never will. He must go. * if you believe it
Jason Henderson
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"Like it or not, I'm right!"Jason Henderson wrote: He must go. How is it possible to ask for democratic elections and at the same time say that one candidate must not be elected ? Isn't it a paradox ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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Bogdan Rechi wrote: As far as i know, the israelis have no active terrorist group They're called the Israelli army. They may not go under the name of terrorists but as we speak they are occupying towns and enforcing curfews with guns and tanks. The effect is the same. They will drum hatred into the occupied territories and then as soon as people find a way too, they will strike back. This is not an attempt to justify the actions of the Pallistinians or the Israellis. It is a simple truth. www.TonysOpensource.pwp.BlueYonder.co.uk
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...they are occupying towns and enforcing curfews with guns and tanks These are defencing measures. You cannot stay and do nothing when your mothers and children are blowed up in markets and buses. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: You cannot stay and do nothing when your mothers and children are blowed up in markets and buses You're right. But is blowing other children and mothers really a solution ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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Bogdan Rechi wrote: You cannot stay and do nothing when your mothers and children are blowed up in markets and buses You're right. But is blowing other children and mothers really a solution ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
No way! The same kind of incidents took place during the american anti-taliban war in Afghanistan. These are usual facts of war. There's no high-scale military operation not to involve some collateral civil casualties and acts of revenge. The difference is made by the goals: terrorism from the arabs and anti-terrorism from israelis. rechi
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No way! The same kind of incidents took place during the american anti-taliban war in Afghanistan. These are usual facts of war. There's no high-scale military operation not to involve some collateral civil casualties and acts of revenge. The difference is made by the goals: terrorism from the arabs and anti-terrorism from israelis. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: The same kind of incidents took place during the american anti-taliban war in Afghanistan And in Ireland and to a certain extent in Vietnam, War or Military repression against a civilian population is always an untenable position and always leads to the kind of activities that the occupations are trying to prevent. Bogdan Rechi wrote: terrorism from the arabs and anti-terrorism from israelis. Strangely enough the arabs consider the military occupation of their lands an act of terrorism. Anthony www.TonysOpensource.pwp.BlueYonder.co.uk