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Bogdan Rechi wrote: The same kind of incidents took place during the american anti-taliban war in Afghanistan. Yep, and it's a war crime as well, as defined by the Geneva convention of 1949. Bogdan Rechi wrote: These are usual facts of war. There's no high-scale military operation not to involve some collateral civil casualties and acts of revenge This is not an acceptable argument, or it would justify also the horrors nazis have made during WWII. Bogdan Rechi wrote: The difference is made by the goals: terrorism from the arabs and anti-terrorism from israelis. This definition is subjective, as the word "terrorist" is. With the same example of WWII, nazis called resistants "terrorists". Were they right to kill them ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
We cannot judge the situation strictly by the international legislation. This is simply not efficient. Do you think you can bring Israel or US to justice, in some court room? And, supposing you can achieve such task, do you have any idea about how long it could take? What about the real situation in the field, during the trial? People are not machines, they make mistakes. It's common sense to accept it, even when you talking about bloody incidents. ...horrors nazis have made... Always blame the loosers... Everybody committed horrors during WW2. Take the russians, for example, who killed almost all the polish officers and took revenge in every late western offensive. And you remember Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill all together in the same picture, aren't you? This definition is subjective... The palestinian radicals have deliberately killed innocents for months. Also the ordinary civilians carry great respect for the so-called "marthyrs". This is terrorism. Israel responded by military force, as every attacked state has the right to do. This is anti-terrorism. Were they right to kill them ? Yes, they were right. Have you been in the army? If so, you should already know that when you carry a gun, you should also be prepared to renounce to your life. Otherwise you could become - no offense - pathetic. rechi
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We cannot judge the situation strictly by the international legislation. This is simply not efficient. Do you think you can bring Israel or US to justice, in some court room? And, supposing you can achieve such task, do you have any idea about how long it could take? What about the real situation in the field, during the trial? People are not machines, they make mistakes. It's common sense to accept it, even when you talking about bloody incidents. ...horrors nazis have made... Always blame the loosers... Everybody committed horrors during WW2. Take the russians, for example, who killed almost all the polish officers and took revenge in every late western offensive. And you remember Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill all together in the same picture, aren't you? This definition is subjective... The palestinian radicals have deliberately killed innocents for months. Also the ordinary civilians carry great respect for the so-called "marthyrs". This is terrorism. Israel responded by military force, as every attacked state has the right to do. This is anti-terrorism. Were they right to kill them ? Yes, they were right. Have you been in the army? If so, you should already know that when you carry a gun, you should also be prepared to renounce to your life. Otherwise you could become - no offense - pathetic. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: It's common sense to accept it, even when you talking about bloody incidents. Sorry, I disagree. What you're saying is that every trial against war criminal is unfair, from Nürnberg to The Hague, because, "you know, it was war, so it's not my fault if I killed, tortured and raped children women and elders, it was just an incident !" Bogdan Rechi wrote: And you remember Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill all together in the same picture, aren't you? Oh no, I don't. Stalin should have been trialed for Katyn, but also for the deportation of Germans of the Volga, Cossacks and other folks, for the gulags, and a lot of others war crimes and crimes against humanity. (IMHO it was a shame USSR was a prosecutor in Nürnberg) We could also have some questions about the role of the English Bomber Command and USAF in the destruction of german cities, and the death of hundred thousands of civilians. Bogdan Rechi wrote: The palestinian radicals have deliberately killed innocents for months. Also the ordinary civilians carry great respect for the so-called "marthyrs". Replace "palestianian radicals" by "tsahal" and "marthyrs" by "antiterrorist soldiers" and you have the official speech of palestinians. Don't you see rejecting all the faults on the others it a dead end, for both side ? Bogdan Rechi wrote: Yes, they were right. So they were right to do this ? :wtf: ! What you wrote is an apology for war crimes. In France it would be an offence and you could be trialed for this. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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"Like it or not, I'm right!"If he had survived, he would have been judged during Nürnberg trial, and (probably) condemned. Generally, in democraty, condemned people loose their civil rights, as to vote and to be elected (at least in my country). So he could not have been re-elected ;P I don't believe GW Bush or A. Sharon are the judicial power, aren't they ? If they think Arafat is a war criminal, a solution could have been to use the new International Court. Oops, I forgot USA didn't recognize it :rolleyes: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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If he had survived, he would have been judged during Nürnberg trial, and (probably) condemned. Generally, in democraty, condemned people loose their civil rights, as to vote and to be elected (at least in my country). So he could not have been re-elected ;P I don't believe GW Bush or A. Sharon are the judicial power, aren't they ? If they think Arafat is a war criminal, a solution could have been to use the new International Court. Oops, I forgot USA didn't recognize it :rolleyes: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
Karl, your ignorance makes me want to vomit.
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Bogdan Rechi wrote: It's common sense to accept it, even when you talking about bloody incidents. Sorry, I disagree. What you're saying is that every trial against war criminal is unfair, from Nürnberg to The Hague, because, "you know, it was war, so it's not my fault if I killed, tortured and raped children women and elders, it was just an incident !" Bogdan Rechi wrote: And you remember Stalin, Roosevelt and Churchill all together in the same picture, aren't you? Oh no, I don't. Stalin should have been trialed for Katyn, but also for the deportation of Germans of the Volga, Cossacks and other folks, for the gulags, and a lot of others war crimes and crimes against humanity. (IMHO it was a shame USSR was a prosecutor in Nürnberg) We could also have some questions about the role of the English Bomber Command and USAF in the destruction of german cities, and the death of hundred thousands of civilians. Bogdan Rechi wrote: The palestinian radicals have deliberately killed innocents for months. Also the ordinary civilians carry great respect for the so-called "marthyrs". Replace "palestianian radicals" by "tsahal" and "marthyrs" by "antiterrorist soldiers" and you have the official speech of palestinians. Don't you see rejecting all the faults on the others it a dead end, for both side ? Bogdan Rechi wrote: Yes, they were right. So they were right to do this ? :wtf: ! What you wrote is an apology for war crimes. In France it would be an offence and you could be trialed for this. We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
...the official speech of palestinians. That's the heart of the problem: they don't have real representatives to take place to the negociations table. Hamas is uncontrolable. You said "rejecting all the faults" but is not true. Rabin-Arafat accord had accepted all the faults; thus we must discuss only the recent history where Tsahal is, as i said before, just a legend and a new born baby comparative to Hamas. What you wrote is an apology for war crimes. In France it would be an offence and you could be trialed for this.:laugh: I'm not Le Pen, you know. All i've tried to say: the law is just a measure unit for the power. Take US as a brilliant example. About that picture: it could be worst. Once again - no offense, i saw your page and i think you're a nice and respectable citizen - the war is nasty and criminal bussiness, you have to accept this as part of your growing-up process. It's a million years old "tradition", you cannot succeed to change it in a century. rechi
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Karl, your ignorance makes me want to vomit.
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Oh, poor boy ! Do you want some pills to stop that ? We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
No, I think I'll just ignore you.
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...the official speech of palestinians. That's the heart of the problem: they don't have real representatives to take place to the negociations table. Hamas is uncontrolable. You said "rejecting all the faults" but is not true. Rabin-Arafat accord had accepted all the faults; thus we must discuss only the recent history where Tsahal is, as i said before, just a legend and a new born baby comparative to Hamas. What you wrote is an apology for war crimes. In France it would be an offence and you could be trialed for this.:laugh: I'm not Le Pen, you know. All i've tried to say: the law is just a measure unit for the power. Take US as a brilliant example. About that picture: it could be worst. Once again - no offense, i saw your page and i think you're a nice and respectable citizen - the war is nasty and criminal bussiness, you have to accept this as part of your growing-up process. It's a million years old "tradition", you cannot succeed to change it in a century. rechi
Bogdan Rechi wrote: Tsahal is, as i said before, just a legend and a new born baby comparative to Hamas I don't even think to compare Tsahal to Hamas.It's clear for me that Hamas or Islamic Djihad are bloody b*stards,. I don't even understand their strategy. IMHO Palestinians would have had a state for a long if they had chosen a pacific way, as Gandhi did. It's the easiest way to defeat a democracy, to attack it on a moral ground. Bogdan Rechi wrote: I'm not Le Pen, you know Thanks God ! :) Bogdan Rechi wrote: About that picture: it could be worst Hardly. This small village was totally destroyed the 10th June 1944, by a bataillion of the "Das Reich" SS Division, officially as retaliatory for the murder of a German Officer in the neighborhood. All the men were shot down, and the women and children were burned alive, locked up in the Church. 642 deads. Bogdan Rechi wrote: It's a million years old "tradition", you cannot succeed to change it in a century. I know that, but hope makes live :rose: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
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No, I think I'll just ignore you.
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Bogdan Rechi wrote: Tsahal is, as i said before, just a legend and a new born baby comparative to Hamas I don't even think to compare Tsahal to Hamas.It's clear for me that Hamas or Islamic Djihad are bloody b*stards,. I don't even understand their strategy. IMHO Palestinians would have had a state for a long if they had chosen a pacific way, as Gandhi did. It's the easiest way to defeat a democracy, to attack it on a moral ground. Bogdan Rechi wrote: I'm not Le Pen, you know Thanks God ! :) Bogdan Rechi wrote: About that picture: it could be worst Hardly. This small village was totally destroyed the 10th June 1944, by a bataillion of the "Das Reich" SS Division, officially as retaliatory for the murder of a German Officer in the neighborhood. All the men were shot down, and the women and children were burned alive, locked up in the Church. 642 deads. Bogdan Rechi wrote: It's a million years old "tradition", you cannot succeed to change it in a century. I know that, but hope makes live :rose: We do not inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children. Antoine de Saint Exupéry (1900-1944)
IMHO Palestinians would have had a state for a long if they had chosen a pacific way, as Gandhi did I agree 100%. This should be the spirit. ...hope makes live If i correctly understood, the man will never be perfect but he allways have to guide himself towards perfection. Again, i agree 100%. rechi