Waivers for felons
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The propaganda comes from both sides: "the Iraqi's love the Americans", "the Iraqi's hate the Americans". The truth obviously lies somewhere in between these two extremes. What is disturbing though is that for the military to begin using waivers for felons this is a sign that there is trouble in the ranks. Quite possibly, the current troops are getting fatigued and need to be relieved and/or the U.S. military is finding it increasingly difficult to find willing volunteers to go over to Iraq. The lack of (troop) supply is probably highly correlated with knowledge of what is going on in Iraq and stories of veterans that return in less than one piece; mentally or physically. I think the real issue is that the American government lacks a clear plan. Almost daily we hear the same routine: "we need to stay" "no, we need to leave" It's a tough choice - kind of akin to: "you started it, are you going to finish it?". I think if the U.S. stays they'll be criticised and if the U.S leaves they'll be criticised. It's really a no-win situation and stories like the above do nothing to improve matters. This, of course, all comes back to Bush's foreign and economic policies - both rather dismal.
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73Zeppelin wrote:
What is disturbing though is that for the military to begin using waivers for felons this is a sign that there is trouble in the ranks.
Usually that phrase means bad morale or active dissension. I don't believe that is the case.
73Zeppelin wrote:
Quite possibly, the current troops are getting fatigued and need to be relieved
Many of these guys, part of the National Guard or Ready Reserve have spent more time in Iraq than they have spent at home in the last 5 years. In Vietnam, we did one non-volunteer tour (12-13 months) and did not go back unless we were career soldiers on new enlistments (These guys often volunteered even before reenlistment.)
73Zeppelin wrote:
U.S. military is finding it increasingly difficult to find willing volunteers to go over to Iraq.
There are career soldiers who volunteer for a second or even third deployment. But the rate of reenlistment is down for both junior officers and NCOs. And no matter how many PFCs and Spec4s you have, if you don't have your company cadre, you haven't got an army.
73Zeppelin wrote:
stories of veterans that return in less than one piece; mentally or physically
Had the present administration provided the material support needed to occupy Iraq rather than trying to do it on the cheap with second rate equipment and second hand equipment originally earmarked for the National Guard, there would have been a hellovalot fewer casualties. By the way, Bush doesn't shoulder the blame alone. He inherited the decimated armed forces of the Clinton years. He'd cut the size our our army to the bone in order to save money.
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Oakman wrote:
thanks to a government ... for the multinationals,
If that is true than the people killing our troops are the good guys. Sounds like treason to me. Treason isn't always a bad thing you know. Sometimes its the right thing. I mean, I'm a traitor to the Marxist democrats and I'm proud of it. You should be proud of your treason also.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
people killing our troops are the good guys
The people responsible for the death of many of our troops are named Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheny. is that who you are talking about?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sounds like treason to me.
Just like Ol' Faithful. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Stan Shannon wrote:
people killing our troops are the good guys
The people responsible for the death of many of our troops are named Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheny. is that who you are talking about?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Sounds like treason to me.
Just like Ol' Faithful. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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Oakman wrote:
The people responsible for the death of many of our troops are named Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheny. is that who you are talking about?
How many troop deaths was Lincoln responsible for? Wilson? FDR? Truman? Still, loyal Americans did not accuse them of purposefully killing them for some kind of nefarious reason just because they disagreed with them politically.
Oakman wrote:
Just like Ol' Faithful
Thank you.
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Oakman wrote:
The people responsible for the death of many of our troops are named Bush, Rumsfeld and Cheny. is that who you are talking about?
How many troop deaths was Lincoln responsible for? Wilson? FDR? Truman? Still, loyal Americans did not accuse them of purposefully killing them for some kind of nefarious reason just because they disagreed with them politically.
Oakman wrote:
Just like Ol' Faithful
Thank you.
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Here's another one to call a traitor, Stanley: "In my view we can do and we should do more to meet the needs of men and women fighting in the current conflicts while their outcome may still be in doubt," he said. "My concern is that our services are still not moving aggressively in wartime to provide resources needed now on the battlefield." Can you imagine someone making such an accusation? And this isn't even ancient history. It's just happened! Clickety^
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Here's another one to call a traitor, Stanley: "In my view we can do and we should do more to meet the needs of men and women fighting in the current conflicts while their outcome may still be in doubt," he said. "My concern is that our services are still not moving aggressively in wartime to provide resources needed now on the battlefield." Can you imagine someone making such an accusation? And this isn't even ancient history. It's just happened! Clickety^
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Why would anyone consider that treason? There is nothing there that justifies why our troops should be killed as your statements frequently do. You don't seem to be intellectually capable of distinquishing between criticism of the president's actions and criticisms of his motives for those actions.
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Link[^] The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show. art.army.jpg A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad. Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats. Well, that's just excellent!
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
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The propaganda comes from both sides: "the Iraqi's love the Americans", "the Iraqi's hate the Americans". The truth obviously lies somewhere in between these two extremes. What is disturbing though is that for the military to begin using waivers for felons this is a sign that there is trouble in the ranks. Quite possibly, the current troops are getting fatigued and need to be relieved and/or the U.S. military is finding it increasingly difficult to find willing volunteers to go over to Iraq. The lack of (troop) supply is probably highly correlated with knowledge of what is going on in Iraq and stories of veterans that return in less than one piece; mentally or physically. I think the real issue is that the American government lacks a clear plan. Almost daily we hear the same routine: "we need to stay" "no, we need to leave" It's a tough choice - kind of akin to: "you started it, are you going to finish it?". I think if the U.S. stays they'll be criticised and if the U.S leaves they'll be criticised. It's really a no-win situation and stories like the above do nothing to improve matters. This, of course, all comes back to Bush's foreign and economic policies - both rather dismal.
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
This illustrates one point - no matter what I think of policy I would never blame the folks on the ground for it. Without armed forces that follow orders things would get a lot worse. Imagine a country the size and wealth of the USA with a junta :wtf:
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Why would anyone consider that treason? There is nothing there that justifies why our troops should be killed as your statements frequently do. You don't seem to be intellectually capable of distinquishing between criticism of the president's actions and criticisms of his motives for those actions.
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Awww, you cheated and found out who said it before drooling spittle over your chin. Had I claimed that statement for myself, you would have done your usual trash talk. At any rate you're boring me again. Take your usual silly last attempt to make sense. I shan't be notified about or reading it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
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Awww, you cheated and found out who said it before drooling spittle over your chin. Had I claimed that statement for myself, you would have done your usual trash talk. At any rate you're boring me again. Take your usual silly last attempt to make sense. I shan't be notified about or reading it.
Jon Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface
Nonsense, I've made the same criticisms of the president myself. There is no comparision at all between saying the president has not conducted the war well, or even saying we should not have invaded in the first place, and saying that the reason we invaded was out of some nefarious conspiracy with multinationals to control the planet's resources and wealth. If the latter is true than our troops are fighting for an evil cause and should be killed.
Oakman wrote:
I shan't be notified about or reading it.
Your loss.
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Link[^] The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show. art.army.jpg A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad. Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats. Well, that's just excellent!
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
I can see in small convictions--maybe as a teen or young adult they were caught with a small amount of drugs. If they stay clean and appear to be on the right track, I have no qualms about that. But if someone was convicted of assault or burglary...I can just see another military prison scandal if former inmates become the guards.
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Link[^] The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show. art.army.jpg A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad. Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats. Well, that's just excellent!
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
Look at the definition of a terrorist: "Terrorist: One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. [^] Put him an uniform and he's not a terrorist anymore, he is a soldier. What is an army outside its country if not a violent tool to achieve political objectives?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Look at the definition of a terrorist: "Terrorist: One who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. [^] Put him an uniform and he's not a terrorist anymore, he is a soldier. What is an army outside its country if not a violent tool to achieve political objectives?
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
K. wrote:
What is an army outside its country if not a violent tool to achieve political objectives?
Such as the liberation of France, for example?
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K. wrote:
What is an army outside its country if not a violent tool to achieve political objectives?
Such as the liberation of France, for example?
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Absolutely - in that case the political objective was to defeat Germany - At that time already the term 'terrorist' was used: -the Germans named the Allied aviators 'Alliierten Terrorfliegern'.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
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Link[^] The Army and Marine Corps are allowing convicted felons to serve in increasing numbers, newly released Department of Defense statistics show. art.army.jpg A U.S Marine keeps a watchful eye in downtown Baghdad. Recruits were allowed to enlist after having been convicted of crimes including assault, burglary, drug possession and making terrorist threats. Well, that's just excellent!
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
Think of it as Affirmative Action for felons. We have racial/ethnic/quota's for every other profession, why not soldering. One could spin this as you hating people who are rules-following-challenged. The rules-following-challenged have families too. You are trying to take food out of the mouths of children of the rules-following-challenged. You beast! Change your position, for the love of the children.
MrPlankton
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Think of it as Affirmative Action for felons. We have racial/ethnic/quota's for every other profession, why not soldering. One could spin this as you hating people who are rules-following-challenged. The rules-following-challenged have families too. You are trying to take food out of the mouths of children of the rules-following-challenged. You beast! Change your position, for the love of the children.
MrPlankton
MrPlankton wrote:
We have racial/ethnic/quota's for every other profession, why not soldering. One could spin this as you hating people who are rules-following-challenged. The rules-following-challenged have families too. You are trying to take food out of the mouths of children of the rules-following-challenged. You beast! Change your position, for the love of the children.
That was quite the rant, but, uh... What?
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Absolutely - in that case the political objective was to defeat Germany - At that time already the term 'terrorist' was used: -the Germans named the Allied aviators 'Alliierten Terrorfliegern'.
When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun?
So, sometimes terrorism is a good thing?
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So, sometimes terrorism is a good thing?
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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MrPlankton wrote:
We have racial/ethnic/quota's for every other profession, why not soldering. One could spin this as you hating people who are rules-following-challenged. The rules-following-challenged have families too. You are trying to take food out of the mouths of children of the rules-following-challenged. You beast! Change your position, for the love of the children.
That was quite the rant, but, uh... What?
And when the sunlight hits the olive oil, don't hesitate.
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Think about it - how better to protect the US?
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Oakman wrote:
thanks to a government ... for the multinationals,
If that is true than the people killing our troops are the good guys. Sounds like treason to me. Treason isn't always a bad thing you know. Sometimes its the right thing. I mean, I'm a traitor to the Marxist democrats and I'm proud of it. You should be proud of your treason also.
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loyality != obedience
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