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  • D Derek Bartram

    Spacix One wrote:

    which can allow you diagnose it

    And if nothing else, I guess that's the answer to the orriginal question; set a break point in the catch block and Visual Studio will tell you the type of the exception (and hence you can modify the code to catch exactly that). Does anyone know if a try...catch block affects the performance of the try block code? I know it has a performance hit on hitting the block, but I wonder if it has a continuing effect beyond that.

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    George_George
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    Thanks Derek, I agree with your points. Any ideas to my original question? About using using Application.ThreadException or AppDomain.CurrentDomain.UnhandledException in console/Windows service application? regards, George

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      Thanks Derek, 1.

      Derek Bartram wrote:

      to avoid using try...catch as much as possible due to the massive performance hit it

      Do you mean catching all exception will degrade performance or you mean generally exception handling approach will degrade performance? 2. Do you have any documents to support your points? :-) regards, George

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      Derek Bartram
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      I've just done some googling on the subject (and confirmed via a lecturer from Uni).... 1) There is a performance hit running code inside a try...catch block but it's negligable 2) There is a BIG performance hit when an exception occurs So, 3) Use try...catch for only catching untestable errors and not controlling programming flow. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/javaqa/2001-07/04-qa-0727-try.html[^] http://aspadvice.com/blogs/name/archive/2008/01/18/Try-Catch-Performance-in-CSharp_3A00_-A-Simple-Test-Response.aspx[^]

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        Thanks Derek, I agree with your points. Any ideas to my original question? About using using Application.ThreadException or AppDomain.CurrentDomain.UnhandledException in console/Windows service application? regards, George

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        Derek Bartram
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        Yes.... run the code with catch (Exception err) and output err.GetType() somehow (Console.WriteLine will do). You'll then know the type of the exception raised so you can go back and modify catch (Exception err) to the specific type.

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        • D Derek Bartram

          I've just done some googling on the subject (and confirmed via a lecturer from Uni).... 1) There is a performance hit running code inside a try...catch block but it's negligable 2) There is a BIG performance hit when an exception occurs So, 3) Use try...catch for only catching untestable errors and not controlling programming flow. http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/javaqa/2001-07/04-qa-0727-try.html[^] http://aspadvice.com/blogs/name/archive/2008/01/18/Try-Catch-Performance-in-CSharp_3A00_-A-Simple-Test-Response.aspx[^]

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          George_George
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          Thanks Derek, Cool!! Your 1st link is Java... :-) I am interested in your 2nd link. But confused what means "catching untestable errors" and "not controlling programming flow"? Could you show some samples please? regards, George

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          • D Derek Bartram

            Yes.... run the code with catch (Exception err) and output err.GetType() somehow (Console.WriteLine will do). You'll then know the type of the exception raised so you can go back and modify catch (Exception err) to the specific type.

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            Thanks Derek, I agree with your exception handling approach. Any answers or comments to my original question? :-) regards, George

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              Hello everyone, I am new to how to catch uncaught exception. From some self-learning, I think we should use, event handler for AppDomain.CurrentDomain.UnhandledException other than Application.ThreadException if we are writing console or Windows service, right? Application.ThreadException is for Windows Form application, not console and Windows Service application? thanks in advance, George

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              For a console app, you could put try/catch around the guts of your main() function.

              "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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              "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                For a console app, you could put try/catch around the guts of your main() function.

                "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                Hi John, I think in this approach, we can only catch exception from main thread, right? (Suppose we create new threads from main methods, then we can not catch exception from other threads in main method?) regards, George

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                • D Derek Bartram

                  Correct me if i'm wrong, but generally catching things using catch (Exception err) is bad practice? You should try any catch specific exceptions otherwise you get a much greater performance hit I believe. *A point always worth mentioning (particularily to people new to the language); try to avoid using try...catch as much as possible due to the massive performance hit it (hundreds of times slower to process try...catch than simple math functions).

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                  Derek Bartram wrote:

                  massive performance hit

                  Perhaps you haven't read this[^] yet.

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                  • realJSOPR realJSOP

                    For a console app, you could put try/catch around the guts of your main() function.

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    PIEBALDconsult
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                    Indeed, I always put a try/catch in the Main.

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                    • P PIEBALDconsult

                      Derek Bartram wrote:

                      massive performance hit

                      Perhaps you haven't read this[^] yet.

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                      Derek Bartram
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                      Thanks for the link, an interesting article. I probably didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help; I meant relative to performing an if test to prevent the exception.

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                      • G George_George

                        Thanks N a v a n e e t h, What do you mean "windows applications"? I have checked again in VS 2008, there is not a project type names "windows applications". Do you mean Windows Forms application? regards, George

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                        N a v a n e e t h
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                        George_George wrote:

                        Windows Forms application?

                        Yes. Also you can wrap the main() method in try catch blocks. So it can handle all exceptions.

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                        • N N a v a n e e t h

                          George_George wrote:

                          Windows Forms application?

                          Yes. Also you can wrap the main() method in try catch blocks. So it can handle all exceptions.

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                          George_George
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                          No, N a v a n e e t h. Not catch all exceptions, you can not catch exception from other threads? Right? regards, George

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                            Derek Bartram wrote:

                            massive performance hit

                            Perhaps you haven't read this[^] yet.

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                            George_George
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                            Thanks PIEBALDconsult, Good reference. :-) regards, George

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                            • D Derek Bartram

                              Thanks for the link, an interesting article. I probably didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help; I meant relative to performing an if test to prevent the exception.

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                              Thanks Derek, What do you mean "didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help" and "relative to performing an if test to prevent the exception"? Could you show more description or some pseudo code about your approach please? regards, George

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                                No, N a v a n e e t h. Not catch all exceptions, you can not catch exception from other threads? Right? regards, George

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                                George_George wrote:

                                you can not catch exception from other threads? Right?

                                Yes. You are right. I missed that. Hook AppDomain.UnhandledException which handles all exception other than the ones I specified in my first message.

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                                • N N a v a n e e t h

                                  George_George wrote:

                                  you can not catch exception from other threads? Right?

                                  Yes. You are right. I missed that. Hook AppDomain.UnhandledException which handles all exception other than the ones I specified in my first message.

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                                  George_George
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                                  You mean "Also exceptions occurring in unmanaged resources won't be handled too" will not be handled? regards, George

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                                  • D Derek Bartram

                                    Spacix One wrote:

                                    which can allow you diagnose it

                                    And if nothing else, I guess that's the answer to the orriginal question; set a break point in the catch block and Visual Studio will tell you the type of the exception (and hence you can modify the code to catch exactly that). Does anyone know if a try...catch block affects the performance of the try block code? I know it has a performance hit on hitting the block, but I wonder if it has a continuing effect beyond that.

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                                    Derek Bartram wrote:

                                    Does anyone know if a try...catch block affects the performance of the try block code? I know it has a performance hit on hitting the block, but I wonder if it has a continuing effect beyond that.

                                    I once worked on a project where the Project Lead insisted on try catch blocks in every bloody method. I did some performance testing and could determine definitive costs with the setup and teardown of the block, but was unable to measure any discernable difference to the code internally. However the code was entirely managed, perhaps wrapping unmanaged code has other implications.


                                    I'm largely language agnostic


                                    After a while they all bug me :doh:


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                                    • G George_George

                                      Hi John, I think in this approach, we can only catch exception from main thread, right? (Suppose we create new threads from main methods, then we can not catch exception from other threads in main method?) regards, George

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                                      Spacix One
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                                      If you wanted to go that far you can catch errors in your thread method also... Are you looking for on error resume next type functionally? If so might be better to use VB.NET as C# doesn't allow for that coding horror :) You need to remember the following: Using exceptions to control programming logic is is the same as having car insurance to repair the damange after rolling off a cliff instead of setting the parking break to prevent it from rolling away.


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                                      • G George_George

                                        You mean "Also exceptions occurring in unmanaged resources won't be handled too" will not be handled? regards, George

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                                        George_George wrote:

                                        "Also exceptions occurring in unmanaged resources won't be handled too"

                                        Yes. It won't be handled. Because it runs out of CLR.

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                                          If you wanted to go that far you can catch errors in your thread method also... Are you looking for on error resume next type functionally? If so might be better to use VB.NET as C# doesn't allow for that coding horror :) You need to remember the following: Using exceptions to control programming logic is is the same as having car insurance to repair the damange after rolling off a cliff instead of setting the parking break to prevent it from rolling away.


                                          -Spacix All your skynet questions[^] belong to solved

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                                          George_George
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                                          Thanks Spacix, 1.

                                          Spacix One wrote:

                                          If you wanted to go that far you can catch errors in your thread method also...

                                          So, no means to catch exception from another thread, right? :-) 2.

                                          Spacix One wrote:

                                          on error resume next type functionally? If so might be better to use VB.NET as C# doesn't allow for that coding horror

                                          Sorry, I have no experience in VB. Could you say something alternative to describe your ideas please? I do not quite understand, especially what do you mean "on error resume next type functionally". :-) regards, George

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