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  • D Derek Bartram

    See above. I don't know the answer, but use the proceedure above will tell you how to find out.

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    George_George
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    Thanks Derek, "the proceedure above" you mean "catch (Exception err) and output err.GetType()"? regards, George

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      Thanks Derek, "the proceedure above" you mean "catch (Exception err) and output err.GetType()"? regards, George

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      Yes. A breakpoint on the err.GetType() line will give you further information as well however.

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      • G George_George

        Thanks Derek, I agree with your sample one. But for the sample two, I can not see any advantage for the 1st sample. Because for the 2nd you preferred sample, when we write code for "handle error" in else bracket, we usually throw exception. So, both samples have the same effect of exception thrown when we met with divide by zero issues. So, what do you think are the advantages?

        try
        {
        double y = 100.0 / slider.Value
        }
        catch (Exception)
        {
        //handler exception
        }

        is a bad way to write this code (remembing slider.Value could be 0 causing divide by 0 exception), a better way would be....

        if (slider.Value != 0)
        {
        double y = 100.0 / slider.Value
        }
        else
        {
        handle error
        }

        regards, George

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        Derek Bartram
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        The point is sample two doesn't throw an exception but rather just run a different section of code. An if statement inherinatly has less overhead than that of a try...catch statement. Certainly both will perform exactly the same function however the second will run more efficiently and quicker.

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        • D Derek Bartram

          The point is sample two doesn't throw an exception but rather just run a different section of code. An if statement inherinatly has less overhead than that of a try...catch statement. Certainly both will perform exactly the same function however the second will run more efficiently and quicker.

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          George_George
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          Thanks for your clarification, Derek! It is clear now. :-) regards, George

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          • G George_George

            Thanks Derek, What do you mean "didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help" and "relative to performing an if test to prevent the exception"? Could you show more description or some pseudo code about your approach please? regards, George

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            Derek Bartram
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            Firstly, from above //writer is a stream writer to a file.. try { writer.Write("Hello"); } catch (Exception err) { //handle error } In this case you couldn't test for every possible error as some are far out the scope of plausible; e.g. can't access the file as it was on a removable drive that was just unplugged. George_George wrote: "not controlling programming flow"? //slider is a silder whos value is 0 to 100 double y = 100.0 / slider.Value then try { double y = 100.0 / slider.Value } catch (Exception) { //handler exception } is a bad way to write this code (remembing slider.Value could be 0 causing divide by 0 exception), a better way would be.... if (slider.Value != 0) { double y = 100.0 / slider.Value } else { handle error }

            George_George wrote:

            What do you mean "didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help"

            It's all very well saying massive improvement or whatever, but if you don't give some quantative value or referance, massive has no meaning (it could save 0.1ms which in terms of clock cycle is alot, but probably less significant to compared to a complex if statement).

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            • D Derek Bartram

              Yes. A breakpoint on the err.GetType() line will give you further information as well however.

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              Thanks for your clarification, Derek! regards, George

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              • D Derek Bartram

                Firstly, from above //writer is a stream writer to a file.. try { writer.Write("Hello"); } catch (Exception err) { //handle error } In this case you couldn't test for every possible error as some are far out the scope of plausible; e.g. can't access the file as it was on a removable drive that was just unplugged. George_George wrote: "not controlling programming flow"? //slider is a silder whos value is 0 to 100 double y = 100.0 / slider.Value then try { double y = 100.0 / slider.Value } catch (Exception) { //handler exception } is a bad way to write this code (remembing slider.Value could be 0 causing divide by 0 exception), a better way would be.... if (slider.Value != 0) { double y = 100.0 / slider.Value } else { handle error }

                George_George wrote:

                What do you mean "didn't specify 'massive' which didn't help"

                It's all very well saying massive improvement or whatever, but if you don't give some quantative value or referance, massive has no meaning (it could save 0.1ms which in terms of clock cycle is alot, but probably less significant to compared to a complex if statement).

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                George_George
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                Thanks Derek, So, "massive improvement" you mean performance improvements? regards, George

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                • M MidwestLimey

                  Derek Bartram wrote:

                  Does anyone know if a try...catch block affects the performance of the try block code? I know it has a performance hit on hitting the block, but I wonder if it has a continuing effect beyond that.

                  I once worked on a project where the Project Lead insisted on try catch blocks in every bloody method. I did some performance testing and could determine definitive costs with the setup and teardown of the block, but was unable to measure any discernable difference to the code internally. However the code was entirely managed, perhaps wrapping unmanaged code has other implications.


                  I'm largely language agnostic


                  After a while they all bug me :doh:


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                  MidwestLimey wrote:

                  I once worked on a project where the Project Lead insisted on try catch blocks in every bloody method.

                  That sounds a little overkill, however generally I do use try...catch blocks in all my gui event handlers so that application is a little more useful when something does go wrong.

                  MidwestLimey wrote:

                  I did some performance testing and could determine definitive costs with the setup and teardown of the block, but was unable to measure any discernable difference to the code internally. However the code was entirely managed, perhaps wrapping unmanaged code has other implications.

                  Thank you for that, personally that is of great interest. I'm actually in the middle of writing a series of articles on language performance so hopefully i'll be able to give further insite on this. Many thanks, Derek Bartram

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                  • G George_George

                    Thanks Derek, So, "massive improvement" you mean performance improvements? regards, George

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                    Derek Bartram
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                    Yes. Although perhaps also in terms of code style.

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                    • G George_George

                      Thanks N a v a n e e t h, So, asynchronous function call is the only case when we can catch exception from another thread? regards, George

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                      N a v a n e e t h
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                      George_George wrote:

                      So, asynchronous function call is the only case when we can catch exception from another thread?

                      George, we are not able to catch exceptions happening on another thread. In this case also it's not happening. We are catching exception in the asynchronous method it self and keeping it for future use. When end method is called, this exception will be thrown out. Have a look at the following code

                      Exception raisedException = null; // This is accessible in the whole class
                      void BeginRead()
                      {
                      try{
                      //Do some asynchronous process
                      }
                      cath(Exception ex){
                      raisedException = ex;
                      }
                      }
                      void EndRead()
                      {
                      // Do something to stop asynchronous processing. You will call WaitHandle.WaitOne() here.
                      if(raisedException != null) throw raisedException; //We are throwing the exception occured

                      // No exceptions. So return the result
                      

                      }

                      In the above code, we have handled the exception and threw it when end is called. Note we handled the exception in the same thread where asynchronous method is executing, not in the main thread. Hope things are clear now.

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                      • D Derek Bartram

                        Yes. Although perhaps also in terms of code style.

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                        George_George
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                        Thanks Derek, It is clear now. Sorry for my bad English. :-) regards, George

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                        • G George_George

                          Thanks Derek, It is clear now. Sorry for my bad English. :-) regards, George

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                          Derek Bartram
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                          No problem. Your english is VERY good, certainly better than my other languages :)

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                          • N N a v a n e e t h

                            George_George wrote:

                            So, asynchronous function call is the only case when we can catch exception from another thread?

                            George, we are not able to catch exceptions happening on another thread. In this case also it's not happening. We are catching exception in the asynchronous method it self and keeping it for future use. When end method is called, this exception will be thrown out. Have a look at the following code

                            Exception raisedException = null; // This is accessible in the whole class
                            void BeginRead()
                            {
                            try{
                            //Do some asynchronous process
                            }
                            cath(Exception ex){
                            raisedException = ex;
                            }
                            }
                            void EndRead()
                            {
                            // Do something to stop asynchronous processing. You will call WaitHandle.WaitOne() here.
                            if(raisedException != null) throw raisedException; //We are throwing the exception occured

                            // No exceptions. So return the result
                            

                            }

                            In the above code, we have handled the exception and threw it when end is called. Note we handled the exception in the same thread where asynchronous method is executing, not in the main thread. Hope things are clear now.

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                            Thanks N a v a n e e t h, I agree with all of your points, except this one,

                            N a v a n e e t h wrote:

                            Note we handled the exception in the same thread where asynchronous method is executing, not in the main thread.

                            My point is we should handle it in main thread. Here is my code to prove. Any comments? (sorry the code is a little messy, I used it to test for multi-purpose in this discussion.)

                            using System;
                            using System.Threading;

                            namespace DelegateThread
                            {
                            class Test
                            {
                            private static void Method2 (object input)
                            {
                            Console.WriteLine("Method1 is throwing exception");
                            throw new ApplicationException("**** oops ****");
                            }

                                private static void Method1()
                                {
                                    Console.WriteLine("Method1 is throwing exception");
                                    throw new ApplicationException("\*\*\*\* oops \*\*\*\*");
                                }
                            
                                private static void Handler1 (object sender, EventArgs e)
                                {
                                    Console.WriteLine ("I am here");
                                }
                            
                                private static void Handler3(object sender, EventArgs e)
                                {
                                    Console.WriteLine("I am here");
                                }
                            
                                delegate void Method1Delegate();
                            
                                static void Main(string\[\] args)
                                {
                                    Console.WriteLine("We first use a thread");
                            

                            /*
                            AppDomain.CurrentDomain.ProcessExit += new EventHandler (Test.Handler1);
                            AppDomain.CurrentDomain.UnhandledException +=new UnhandledExceptionEventHandler(Test.Handler3);
                            */
                            /*
                            Thread aThread
                            = new Thread(new ThreadStart(Method1));
                            aThread.Start();
                            */

                                    // ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem(new WaitCallback(Test.Method2));
                            
                                    
                                    Console.WriteLine("We will use a Delegate now");
                                    Method1Delegate dlg = new Method1Delegate(Method1);
                                    IAsyncResult handle = dlg.BeginInvoke(null, null);
                                    
                                    Thread.Sleep(1000);
                            
                                    Console.WriteLine("Was the exception reported so far?");
                            
                                    try
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine("Let's call EndInvoke");
                                        dlg.EndInvoke(handle);
                                    }
                                    catch (Exception ex)
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine("Exception: {0}", ex.Message);
                                    }
                                        
                            
                            
                                    Thread.Sleep(5000);
                            
                                    Console.WriteLine("Survived exception");
                            
                                    return;
                            
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                            • D Derek Bartram

                              No problem. Your english is VERY good, certainly better than my other languages :)

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                              Thanks for your patience to help me, Derek! :-) I think one of the most important things for developer is to be patience to learn new things. regards, George

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                              • G George_George

                                Thanks N a v a n e e t h, I agree with all of your points, except this one,

                                N a v a n e e t h wrote:

                                Note we handled the exception in the same thread where asynchronous method is executing, not in the main thread.

                                My point is we should handle it in main thread. Here is my code to prove. Any comments? (sorry the code is a little messy, I used it to test for multi-purpose in this discussion.)

                                using System;
                                using System.Threading;

                                namespace DelegateThread
                                {
                                class Test
                                {
                                private static void Method2 (object input)
                                {
                                Console.WriteLine("Method1 is throwing exception");
                                throw new ApplicationException("**** oops ****");
                                }

                                    private static void Method1()
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine("Method1 is throwing exception");
                                        throw new ApplicationException("\*\*\*\* oops \*\*\*\*");
                                    }
                                
                                    private static void Handler1 (object sender, EventArgs e)
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine ("I am here");
                                    }
                                
                                    private static void Handler3(object sender, EventArgs e)
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine("I am here");
                                    }
                                
                                    delegate void Method1Delegate();
                                
                                    static void Main(string\[\] args)
                                    {
                                        Console.WriteLine("We first use a thread");
                                

                                /*
                                AppDomain.CurrentDomain.ProcessExit += new EventHandler (Test.Handler1);
                                AppDomain.CurrentDomain.UnhandledException +=new UnhandledExceptionEventHandler(Test.Handler3);
                                */
                                /*
                                Thread aThread
                                = new Thread(new ThreadStart(Method1));
                                aThread.Start();
                                */

                                        // ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem(new WaitCallback(Test.Method2));
                                
                                        
                                        Console.WriteLine("We will use a Delegate now");
                                        Method1Delegate dlg = new Method1Delegate(Method1);
                                        IAsyncResult handle = dlg.BeginInvoke(null, null);
                                        
                                        Thread.Sleep(1000);
                                
                                        Console.WriteLine("Was the exception reported so far?");
                                
                                        try
                                        {
                                            Console.WriteLine("Let's call EndInvoke");
                                            dlg.EndInvoke(handle);
                                        }
                                        catch (Exception ex)
                                        {
                                            Console.WriteLine("Exception: {0}", ex.Message);
                                        }
                                            
                                
                                
                                        Thread.Sleep(5000);
                                
                                        Console.WriteLine("Survived exception");
                                
                                        return;
                                
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                                N a v a n e e t h
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                                George_George wrote:

                                My point is we should handle it in main thread. Here is my code to prove. Any comments?

                                Your code is working perfectly. I guess you tried it by running the application in debug mode - Right ? When application runs on debug mode, VS editor will break when exception occurs and points to the suspected line. You should try running this without in debug mode (Ctrl + F5). You can see it executes correctly. Exception will be caught when EndInvoke() get called.

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                                • N N a v a n e e t h

                                  George_George wrote:

                                  My point is we should handle it in main thread. Here is my code to prove. Any comments?

                                  Your code is working perfectly. I guess you tried it by running the application in debug mode - Right ? When application runs on debug mode, VS editor will break when exception occurs and points to the suspected line. You should try running this without in debug mode (Ctrl + F5). You can see it executes correctly. Exception will be caught when EndInvoke() get called.

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                                  Thanks for your review, N a v a n e e t h! It is clear now. regards, George

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                                  • G George_George

                                    Thanks Spacix, What do you mean "using exceptions to contol logic"? We should never throw any exception when there is some logical errors during runtime? regards, George

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                                    Spacix One
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                                    Like in my second code block, if you throw in your method and you catch it to only return something less complex, or change your structure. Hmm better example: (This is an intentional BAD code example!)

                                        static FileStream openFile(string filePath)
                                        {
                                            FileStream fs;
                                            try
                                            {
                                                fs = File.OpenRead(filePath);
                                            }
                                            catch (FileNotFoundException err)
                                            {
                                                File.Create(filePath);
                                                fs = File.OpenRead(filePath);
                                            }
                                            return fs;
                                        }
                                    

                                    That is bad because you could just used File.Exist() to check for the file before opening it, and make it before trying to call OpenRead() on it. I know this is pointless but still an example of a NEVER do...


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                                      Like in my second code block, if you throw in your method and you catch it to only return something less complex, or change your structure. Hmm better example: (This is an intentional BAD code example!)

                                          static FileStream openFile(string filePath)
                                          {
                                              FileStream fs;
                                              try
                                              {
                                                  fs = File.OpenRead(filePath);
                                              }
                                              catch (FileNotFoundException err)
                                              {
                                                  File.Create(filePath);
                                                  fs = File.OpenRead(filePath);
                                              }
                                              return fs;
                                          }
                                      

                                      That is bad because you could just used File.Exist() to check for the file before opening it, and make it before trying to call OpenRead() on it. I know this is pointless but still an example of a NEVER do...


                                      -Spacix All your skynet questions[^] belong to solved


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                                      George_George
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                                      Thanks for your clarification, Spacix! regards, George

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