CodeProject Proposal

Reynolds Glisner

nothing in this context makes their opinion any less valid. In fact the observation had nothing to do with opinions or validity, but rather the potential "fear" some may have of loosing their oh so prized/cherished/important "Gold member" status. :-D

Reynolds Glisner

hey you're the one mentioning gold members here in that context ... ;P

Colin Angus Mackay

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

the potential "fear" some may have of loosing their oh so prized/cherished/important "Gold member" status.

Get a grip!

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Anthony Mushrow

I voted a 1 because i like CP the way it is. Sure, there seems to be a little more crap than there used to be, but this is a very busy website, you've got to expect this kind of thing. If people didn't post so much about how bad it is, the actual feeling of how bad things are wouldn't be so bad. :rolleyes: Anyway, you have no mind to say how easy or difficult the changes may be. You don't know how the site is set up in the background. Sure in theory it should be fairly simple, but what actually needs to happen may be completely different. As for approving articles. I don't do any VB code, but i can clearly see if an article written with VB is a peice of trash, or if it contains useful information, even if i can't completely follow the code. Any competent programmer should be able to follow code written in most languages, even if they can only get a rough idea of whats going on. As for gold status for different area's well, thats just a little over the top, unecessary, and probably quite a bit of work and changes. And finaly my thoughts on article rating. The rating system is already a little unreliable, what with people running around voting 1's and whatnot. It would just make it a little complicated. If people wanted to leave this much information they are perfectly free to post exactly what they liked and didn't like in the articles own little message board. Oh yeah, and about ratings and 'privelages' based on article submissions, there are quite a few mighty and awsome mebers who have only written a few (or no) articles but have helped countless people in the forums. And as for getting gold by ranting, if people rant enough on forums to get gold, then members already know who they are and can form their own opinions on them, they don't really need a 4-colour scheme to tell them how good the person is.

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Oakman

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

nothing in this context makes their opinion any less valid. In fact the observation had nothing to do with opinions or validity, but rather the potential "fear" some may have of loosing their oh so prized/cherished/important "Gold member" status

Ah, so it was basically an attempt to put down people who you felt had put you down, as opposed to having put down your suggestion?

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Thomas Stockwell

Considering you have been a member of the CodeProject for less than or around 2 months, I would not suggest that you lecture the founders or the CodeProject support staff. Especially since you seem to have no respect for the complexity of this site or the people who have created it.

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Thomas Stockwell

Though many people of this community have done great things for this site, no one from this site(including yourself) can be considered or even compared to a prophet.

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Leslie Sanford

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

I have a few very simple proposals that if implemented could ease some of the issues currently seen on codeproject

Actually, this sort of thing belongs on the Suggestions / Site Bugs[^] forum.

leckey 0

Real programmers here don't care about their status. They care about THE SITE. And considering you have started two threads in the wrong forums (they should have both been in the suggestions and bugs reporting forum) and your short length of time here, your opinion will be valued little.

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Marc Clifton

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

one must remember that the only reason why people gathered in the first place was because of the perceived quality/caliber of the community and its output - not the ability to "hang-out".

What, did you skip your teenage years? Marc

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Thomas Stockwell

Considering that over the past week or so their have been many changes to the site that have altered members Gold Status and their has been no onslaught of complaints (a few here and their; most of them good natured quandries); I would not say that members voting your original post as a 1 were voting in fear of their member status being compromised. I voted it as a 1 because this overall forum 'tree' is a bit childish and it is coming from an extremely new member of the community.

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Hans Dietrich

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

with said notification they may have the option to attach a note

That's a great idea! I haven't seen anyone suggest that before.

Best wishes, Hans

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Hans Dietrich

I voted your post a 5, even though you have mistakenly used the John Simmons Message Template in your post. Here's why: I believe (or would like to believe) that you have looked around the site, and have seen things that could be better. Welcome to our Codeproject family! Like any family, things aren't always perfect. From your suggestion about adding a note to article update emails, I believe that you can help improve things. But one thing you should not do is respond with personal attacks: criticize ideas, not people. That way will lead to the dark side. :)

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Member 96

He has some valid points though harshly worded.

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Member 96

I would like to see the status system abolished, I think it leads to people doing dorky and annoying things to up their status for no real gain. Apparently though since every other forum already has it we have to have it here as well. I would argue that people know who people are here and what they contribute or don't. I think people are voting you down because you're apparently new here and being overly harsh for the tone of this particular board and your limited time here not to mention coming across as cocky and arrogant. People who assert anything too strongly here will get downvoted unless it falls within a narrow set of confines of acceptible ideas. Essentially it's meaningless and you should ignore it entirely. I didn't like the idea of the message voting when it came in and like it even less now, it just causes more divisiveness for no good reason and discourages eloquent banter. Why say something witty to someone you believe to be a fool or something encouraging and enter into a discourse with someone who's idea you like when you can just click on a button instead?

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Mustafa Ismail Mustafa

Very much so. I muse on it sometimes during the wee hours of the morning when I'm up late hammering at the keyboard.

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realJSOP

I honestly don't think that having been a member here for just two months qualifies you to comment on how the site is run.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

1. Levels should be incremented based on forum posts where said posts are ONLY in any of the programming forums. The lounge, soap-box and any other rant oriented forum posts should not be counted. furthermore, of the posts that are counted, they should either not have a rating or have a rating of 3 and above, anything else should not be counted.

Participation is participation, regardless of where someone posts. I am of the opinion that message posts shouldn't count at all towards advancement to the next level of membership, but I really don't that that's going to change.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

2. Gold members should only be allowed to "approve" articles in categories which they themselves have submitted articles and posses an average article ranking in those categories of 3.75 or above - articles where the author is a co-author will not be counted, the author must have independently written an article in that category no exceptions permitted.

You should see the crap some people try to post as articles. It doesn't require any special knowledge of the topic to observe that someone merely clicked through the article submission wizard, or to see that they completely hosed up their formatting.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

3. Article grading should be broken down in 3 separate categories which people can optionally vote on, the final vote will be a mixture of said categories these are: (usefulness/applicability, explanation level, uniqueness/novelty)

Sure, let's make policing the site even tougher than it is now.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

I believe gold membership should be a prized status, and not given to any idiot that has enough time to rant on forums.

Did you know that there are fewer than 800 gold (and only 27 platinum) members now? If you go through them, there are even some who don't have the requisite five articles, so I think the list needs to be pruned some more. In any case, that sounds to me like a fairly exclusive club when you consider that there's over 5 million users registered. One last thing - I've copyrighted the use of the numbered bullet point template used on CodeProject. Please find another m

realJSOP

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

when their rating is averaged its below 3.75 you don't get to approve or disapprove articles

If a rating cap is set, 3.75 is too high. Of course, with the new article moderation stuff in place, articles should start to show an upward trend in quality. In fact, I think we're already seeing that happen, aren't we?

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Point 3

Too complicated, and too open for interpretation by too many different kinds of people. The article is either crap, or it's not, and it's not hard to tell in either direction.

Reynolds Glisner wrote:

Point 4

It's just as easy to have the article rejected and allow the author to resubmit after he fixes it.

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Chris Maunder wrote:

The value of someone's contribution can be more than just answering a question.

Yeah! (This is where Chris uses me as the "perfect example").

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Rob Graham

For someone with 23 posts and no articles, you are quite arrogant to be telling us how to run this community. Come back when you have some credentials. I beleive your proposals would irreparably damage this community. This is not an elitist organization (which is what you really mean when you say "meritocracy"...) consisting of just the best of the best. It is a thriving community of mentors and mentees, A place to get help, share knowlege, and to socialize and share non-work related opinions. You sound like you would be much happier at Experts exchange, or slashdot.